are lap times really accurate?

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Options magazine tested the GT300 Impreza on Tsukuba super lap, and got a fastest lap time of 58s

in GT4P i'm getting around 55s with near perfect lines, and still some errors and around 56-57s with lots of error.

does this mean a pro-driver can do ALOT faster then the real thing in game?
 
well GT doesnt take into account windage, temperature (track and air), barometric pressure, engine wear or any kinds of engine hiccups, track condition (wear, moisture)....so yes, you can go faster in the game than in real life...
 
WHOA DUDE WAIT A SECOND BUDDY YES THE GT SERIES TAKES IN THE EFFECT OF

"windage, temperature (track and air), barometric pressure, engine wear or any kinds of engine hiccups, track condition (wear, moisture)..."

ALL THAT STUFF HAS BEEN IN THE GT SERIES SINCE GT2 as far as I rember man!.
Sorry bout the caps.
 
pimp racer
WHOA DUDE WAIT A SECOND BUDDY YES THE GT SERIES TAKES IN THE EFFECT OF

"windage, temperature (track and air), barometric pressure, engine wear or any kinds of engine hiccups, track condition (wear, moisture)..."

ALL THAT STUFF HAS BEEN IN THE GT SERIES SINCE GT2 as far as I rember man!.
Sorry bout the caps.
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hey man i beg to differ....they could have tested on a cold moist day and the track could have been totally different in feel than in the game....no track conditions are alike, maybe close but never alike!
 
well the track condition is in absolutly perfect condition in game.

also, i guess real drivers wont push the car as hard as i would.... any slight error, the car would plow into the wall.
 
yup...i agree....until every possible scenario from real life can be transfered into a game, game laps will always be more perfect than real world ones....just watch the JGTC videos....listen to the engine, listen to all the hiccups and rev jumps...those cut down on speed and performance....those can cost tiny fractions of a second and can add up.
 
Well the best way of comparing is going out on the damn track yourself and getting your time and testing that time you got in real life to the time you got in the game. You can't try and copy someone else, you dont know what techniques that driver used on the track.
 
cobragt
Well the best way of comparing is going out on the damn track yourself and getting your time and testing that time you got in real life to the time you got in the game. You can't try and copy someone else, you dont know what techniques that driver used on the track.
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that was gonna be my final thought but you got to it first lol...damn 👍
 
Don't forget that real drivers don't squeal the tires around corners like we do in the games. From what I've seen in various vids and TV and such, they tend to slow down more, and slow down earlier, going into corners than I tend to do in the GT games.

I do remember reading something a while back, from a race driver who did a test run at a press event on Nürburgring. His lap time in the game was within five seconds of his real-life laptime. Five seconds ain't a whole lot on a course that size.
 
Jedi2016
Don't forget that real drivers don't squeal the tires around corners like we do in the games. From what I've seen in various vids and TV and such, they tend to slow down more, and slow down earlier, going into corners than I tend to do in the GT games.

I do remember reading something a while back, from a race driver who did a test run at a press event on Nürburgring. His lap time in the game was within five seconds of his real-life laptime. Five seconds ain't a whole lot on a course that size.
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that is true

on the 55s lap time, i exited the final corner of tsukuba way out into the grass to cross the line. pretty much carrying as much momentem as possible to get the best lap time.

while 56s laps are driven more like a real person would.

i guess its close enough, but slighty less error done in the mid of the track, could very likely get lower then 54s.
 
gt4 could very well be a game great for training one how to tackle a certain track. You could always learn the turns of the Nurb if you played pgr2 but would you really know how to handle it? Doubt it, this is where gt4 comes into play. With the new wheel, training for a track should be great.
 
wasn't there a racer dude who's got a good time on the 'ring tried the track on GT4 and was only a few seconds from his record? And attributed it to the DFP mostly?

Also, there was supposed to be changing weather in the game, but it seems like that was droped. But who likes to drive in the rain anyways..
 
cobragt
gt4 could very well be a game great for training one how to tackle a certain track. You could always learn the turns of the Nurb if you played pgr2 but would you really know how to handle it? Doubt it, this is where gt4 comes into play. With the new wheel, training for a track should be great.
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On Top Gear last night (in the UK) they were at the 'ring and one of the people they interviewed had practiced for the 'ring on PGR2 and said that the trackin the game was nothing like the real thing. The corners may be right (just about) but the camber, elevation and gradient changes were all wrong (plus the 'ring on PGR2 is far to wide).

From my BMW 1-series demo (with time limit) I can say that the 'ring appears to be very close to the real thing (this is from memory - only been once - 5 laps), its the right width and the camber, elevation and gradient changes all appear to be very, very close to the real thing.

The only thing missing is the 'oh my god I'm going to die/I want to live here and drive this every minute of every day' feeling (you get both at once). Having said that the 'ring in a 1-series in the demo is hairy enough, putting something rapid around it in GT4 (and getting a clean lap) is going to be a challenge.

GT4 longevity question - how long will it take to master the 'ring with every car in GT4? We will be playing this for years - I think my wife may well leave me, the question is will I notice.
 
As said above BBC 2's Top Gear programme went to the Nürburgring and drove an S-Type diesel around and tried to get under ten minutes. It took two days but eventually he did it in 9 mins 59secs, but the girl who was showing him the track went out in the same car and did it in 9mins 20 odd seconds, but she said that she has been going around the Nürburgring since she was three years old.

The GT series is close to real life but its not, and hence the times in GT will always be slightley faster, there are too many factors to take into account to make it just like real life.


S-Type diesel

We've always known the Germans like a quick drive, after all their country is home to the legendary autobahn. The UK, however, is stuck with 70mph motorways full of caravans and trucks. And, as if road tax wasn't enough, new roads actually require you pay AGAIN to use them. The M6 toll road, for example, describes itself as "the most exciting development in British transport history for many years". Well, sorry to break it to you guys, it might be the best thing Britain has in the way of a road, but the Germans have taken toll roads to a whole new level of exciting. Imagine being allowed to take your car for a spin at Silverstone. That's what Nürburgring in Germany does, you can drive as fast as you like around a one-way racetrack. So, what better way than to test the diesel engine in the Jaguar S-Type than by trying to get it round in under ten minutes. Jeremy's 'course coach' found the whole thing jolly amusing, and didn't seem to think he was up to the task. Thankfully for his pride he proved her wrong.

source: bbc - top gear.
 
The girl in question is 'Sabine' who is one of the drivers of the 'ring-taxis' and quite simply one of the fastest people around the 'ring alive today.

With over 15,000 laps of the 'ring very few people can match here experence on the circuit.

I do have a video clip of Sabine taking JC around the ring in an M5 Ring-Taxi, I think its still availiable on racingflix.com
 
Scaff
The girl in question is 'Sabine' who is one of the drivers of the 'ring-taxis' and quite simply one of the fastest people around the 'ring alive today.

With over 15,000 laps of the 'ring very few people can match here experence on the circuit.

I do have a video clip of Sabine taking JC around the ring in an M5 Ring-Taxi, I think its still availiable on racingflix.com
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hehehe i wanna meet her! i'd love her job, especially since the Ring is my fav. track. i wonder what it takes to get the job as a "ring-taxi?" might try it some time if i really need a job!
 
Didn't they do the Ring with some 4 seconds difference ?.. And that's 8 + minutes.. It's good enough for me...
 
i find the ring already really challenging using a slow car.

when i was using a controller, playing these tight roads (ie that italy track in GT4) are slow and boring, but when using the wheel, those are 10 times more fun then say driving in Tsukuba or Fuji
 
Scaff
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GT4 longevity question - how long will it take to master the 'ring with every car in GT4? We will be playing this for years - I think my wife may well leave me, the question is will I notice.
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:lol: the question is will I notice

Top gear style humor ! 👍
 
Hi,

I found some really good answers to the initial question: why is GT4 faster. Let's resume:

-tires
-the walls (in real life you don't take the risks we take in GT3/4)
-temperature, etc.

I think there are some more elements:

- don't forget physical forces on the driver: g-forces! It's much easier to drive GT4 in your saloon then driving a real car at high speed.
- you probably made more laps in that car on Tsukuba GT P then the test-driver did on the real Tsukuba.
- In GT3, there was a "simulation tyres" mode, which I didn't find back in GT-P. This corresponds maybe more reallistically to real life driving.
 
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Of course, bad modelisation is always possible too, but I don't think it could be worse than in GT3.

Example of bad modelisation: at Monaco, in the Formula 1 -cars, I was (during the 78 laps race) 4 to 5 seconds faster than the actuel F1 drivers (Prost, Mansell or Hill I believe) who ran these cars in the beginning of the 90 years were on the real circuit. I suppose a good GT3-driver could even beat them by 10 or more seconds.
 
Scaff
On Top Gear last night (in the UK) they were at the 'ring and one of the people they interviewed had practiced for the 'ring on PGR2 and said that the trackin the game was nothing like the real thing. The corners may be right (just about) but the camber, elevation and gradient changes were all wrong (plus the 'ring on PGR2 is far to wide).

From my BMW 1-series demo (with time limit) I can say that the 'ring appears to be very close to the real thing (this is from memory - only been once - 5 laps), its the right width and the camber, elevation and gradient changes all appear to be very, very close to the real thing.

The only thing missing is the 'oh my god I'm going to die/I want to live here and drive this every minute of every day' feeling (you get both at once). Having said that the 'ring in a 1-series in the demo is hairy enough, putting something rapid around it in GT4 (and getting a clean lap) is going to be a challenge.

GT4 longevity question - how long will it take to master the 'ring with every car in GT4? We will be playing this for years - I think my wife may well leave me, the question is will I notice.
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Exactly, this is where gt4 is ace at; training folks how to tackle certain tracks and that will be gt4's selling point. It should be called "the real track simulator" 👍
 
Exactly, this is where gt4 is ace at; training folks how to tackle certain tracks and that will be gt4's selling point.
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Abit over the top, but I guess you could learn the layout of a track from it pretty well (even if it is a simplified version, but hell, they can't have EVERY bump on the track in lol), but nothing beats the real thing.
 
i read that the nissantestdriver was only 0.1 secs(!) faster/slower than one of pd's developers. the testdriver drove the real, the developer the gt track with the same car....
car: r34 gtr
track: nürburgring (20 km!!!)

so, i think thats pretty precise
 
LOonIE
i read that the nissantestdriver was only 0.1 secs(!) faster/slower than one of pd's developers. the testdriver drove the real, the developer the gt track with the same car....
car: r34 gtr
track: nürburgring (20 km!!!)

so, i think thats pretty precise
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Yamauchi said that the laptimes are accurate down to 1% of the real time, which would be 4,2 seconds on a 7 minute Nürburgring lap.

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the Interceptor
 

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