Are you tired of racing with non clean drivers?

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DiRT 3 runs a system like this. on the whole, the online experience on Dirt 3 is a much smoother experience although it doesn't allow for free run or anything.

But anyway, on Dirt 3 the computer logs how you've driven. If you constantly make contact with someone your rep goes down. There's a traffic light system by each drivers name. It's either
Red (Has consistently proven to be a dirty driver in lots of races)
Yellow (Has driven dirty for a few races, many more and they'll be red)
Green (Generally a clean driver, may have had one or 2 bad races but on the whole not bad)
Platinum (Very clean driver, very rarely makes contact with other cars purposefully)

The better your driver rep the bigger the XP bonus you get at the end of a race and the symbol is displayed next to your name.

As far as I've seen it's never falsely cut me down so it's obviously possible to get working correctly.

Also, if you are a Red driver, and you continue to drive very dirty it will take you more and more clean and faultless races to get back up to yellow. Thus eliminating any way of easily getting your rep back up if you are a dodgy driver.

PD take note...
 
I am a clean racer. I don't deliberately ram people, and would rather not gain a place if it takes a harsh move to get it. I also have not done my licenses because they bored the **** out of me. Having the licenses means nothing when it comes to racing other people. If you are of the mentality to drive dirty you will, licenses or not.

I'm lucky enough to have now joined CRAP racing, and had some fantastic hard but fair dicing with them.
 
toplesscouple
I am a clean racer. I don't deliberately ram people, and would rather not gain a place if it takes a harsh move to get it. I also have not done my licenses because they bored the **** out of me. Having the licenses means nothing when it comes to racing other people. If you are of the mentality to drive dirty you will, licenses or not.

I'm lucky enough to have now joined CRAP racing, and had some fantastic hard but fair dicing with them.
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I practiced with CRAP a couple of times but unfortunately the races were always when I couldn't get online. Good group of people 👍
 
We now dont allow any driver to race in automatic in out rooms this goes a long way to sort some of the problems .IF there was a locked to manual like dirt 3 and a wheel icon for wheel users only?? massive improvement .

You dont get automatic racecars

We have a great bunch of lads we race with all clean and respectful end of
 
I totally agree that this game needs some kind of reputation system. Just because you have all gold licenses does not mean you're a clean driver. You can't use experience points because that doesn't tell you anything about the driver. You can't go by your total wins either, as they are all off-line wins. I do like the idea of a crash system though. All we have now is the reputation between drivers. After playing this game for over a year at least three hours a day, I have found a good amount of CLEAN drivers.

I'm really not exaggerating when I say this, for every 20 racers I come across online you find maybe one clean one. Maybe 5 to 7 of those drivers are very very fast but they don't have a clue how to drive with others. They want to just bulldoze their way to the front. Idiots!
 
Because its a game. Buy a real car and go to a track.

I drive how I want! I paid for the game to do as I please. I spent months of clean driving to just be put in races when everyone drives like its GTA or something.

"What goes around, Comes around!"
 
Unfortunately, a "Crash" point system would be difficult to implement especially with high speed tracks like Daytona, Indy, and Route X. I've had plenty of clean, uneventful races here but I've also been the victim of someones else wreck. The way the penalty system in GT5 works right now would also penalize the victim as well as the perpetrator.

Wrecks happen, it's part of racing. It's the "bulldozing", intentional wrecking, and driving backwards on the track that we can do without. That is why I think the license system would be better than nothing. Many, not all, of these individuals can't be bother playing the game correctly or attempting to obtain a license, I've checked.

Yesterday I did kick someone from my lobby because he wanted to use his X1. He was at level 40 with his S class license. Most of the people that I've kicked aren't very high in the leveling system and don't have any type of license.

Restricting lobby by requiring a certain license wouldn't be perfect but it would be better than what we currently have which is nothing.
 
JasonK92
Because its a game. Buy a real car and go to a track.

I drive how I want! I paid for the game to do as I please. I spent months of clean driving to just be put in races when everyone drives like its GTA or something.

"What goes around, Comes around!"
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True, it is only a game. But this doesn't mean that I HAVE to race with you.
 
JasonK92
Nobody asked you to?
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I was only saying you in general as someone who doesn't want to race cleanly, not personally.

People can play this game any way they want. I just want to have the ability in filtering out the individuals that I don't want to race with without resorting to my private lounge.
 
but say if someone was young and was a terrible driver and decided he wanted to become a clean driver.. his rep would be so bad he wouldn't be able to.

failed system.
 
JasonK92
but say if someone was young and was a terrible driver and decided he wanted to become a clean driver.. his rep would be so bad he wouldn't be able to.

failed system.
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This is why I'd prefer a license restriction on a lobby over a reputation system. But then again there is no reason why someone reputation couldn't change over time.
 
There are non-clean drivers, that often like to taunt the better drivers out there. I usually take them as an obtacle driven challenge, and allow them to race with me, and I will really try my best to be clean with them, even when they are not, and more often than not, you will win from their harsh mistakes, (ramming, honking, side swiping) you have to anticipate their moves, and have all the counters set in place.

You hope to win their respect from it, and if not, do like I do, slam on the brakes on the Nurburgring straight, when they are drifting behind you, then slow down to ramn them off to the side(risky), that will guarantee to keep them quiet for a little while.

But if the said driver is really taunting too many players, too often, new and old alike, you have to just boot them off the room.

/be your own host.
 
Question: i was in a room playing gt500 no settings aloud, there was a guy that was good at driving but he really didn't know how to pass i mean he would just force himself thru the corner or just cut your driving lne to pass you, but when in front he hd a good racing line, how can we call that kind of driver? He wasnt bad at driving just hat he sucks at passing
 
Eric W
I was only saying you in general as someone who doesn't want to race cleanly, not personally.

People can play this game any way they want. I just want to have the ability in filtering out the individuals that I don't want to race with without resorting to my private lounge.
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Kick the bad ones add the good ones as friends soon our list of good driving friends ill be big enough
 
Enthusiastgt
Kick the bad ones add the good ones as friends soon our list of good driving friends ill be big enough
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Kicking the bad drivers isn't the issue. It's tiresome having to back out of a race just to kick someone. The issue is the lack of options we have to prevent the 'Bad' drivers from entering out lobby's. If we had a better system then we wouldn't have to resort to kicking everyone until we have a group of clean drivers.

I have a very strong friends list of good drivers but unfortunately we can't always meet up for a private race. If you're always racing in private rooms you'll never find other people to race with. There are a lot of good drivers out there, it shouldn't be so frustrating to find them.
 
Enthusiastgt
Question: i was in a room playing gt500 no settings aloud, there was a guy that was good at driving but he really didn't know how to pass i mean he would just force himself thru the corner or just cut your driving lne to pass you, but when in front he hd a good racing line, how can we call that kind of driver? He wasnt bad at driving just hat he sucks at passing
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Impatient or aggressive. Some people try to pass whenever they see the opportunity even if it isn't safe to make the pass. I wouldn't call this person a 'dirty' driver unless he wrecking the car in front of him to gain the position and not looking back.
 
Eric W
Impatient or aggressive. Some people try to pass whenever they see the opportunity even if it isn't safe to make the pass. I wouldn't call this person a 'dirty' driver unless he wrecking the car in front of him to gain the position and not looking back.
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This. +1 👍
 
Eric W
Impatient or aggressive. Some people try to pass whenever they see the opportunity even if it isn't safe to make the pass. I wouldn't call this person a 'dirty' driver unless he wrecking the car in front of him to gain the position and not looking back.
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I don't know if I'd call it "dirty"...

But if the driver is clearly reckless... I wouldn't call it "clean" just because the driver got away with it that time.

In other words, I don't think clean or dirty depends on whether or not you get away with a reckless aggressive maneuver without wrecking another car.
 
bs13
A licensing system would punish the guy that's been racing online for over a year and who just lost all of his data. Would you blame them if they didn't bother to level up and earn licenses again?
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You are correct it would punish people who in 2012 haven't figured out that they need to backup data. If those people who haven't figured out what a backup is don't bother to replay the game to level up and earn licenses again I wouldn't blame them. You can't design a gaming system around every "what if" that comes up. You have to design it for the most enjoyment for the majority of people playing the game, not a select few "what if's".


JasonK92
Because its a game. Buy a real car and go to a track.

I drive how I want! I paid for the game to do as I please. I spent months of clean driving to just be put in races when everyone drives like its GTA or something.

"What goes around, Comes around!"
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This is the kind of person you need licensing and safety ratings systems for so you don't have to race with them. Guys who think the world revolves around them, that there is no etiquette or expectation of consideration for others because they are in an online, anonymous environment.

Eric W
Unfortunately, a "Crash" point system would be difficult to implement especially with high speed tracks like Daytona, Indy, and Route X. I've had plenty of clean, uneventful races here but I've also been the victim of someones else wreck. The way the penalty system in GT5 works right now would also penalize the victim as well as the perpetrator.

Wrecks happen, it's part of racing. It's the "bulldozing", intentional wrecking, and driving backwards on the track that we can do without. That is why I think the license system would be better than nothing. Many, not all, of these individuals can't be bother playing the game correctly or attempting to obtain a license, I've checked.

Yesterday I did kick someone from my lobby because he wanted to use his X1. He was at level 40 with his S class license. Most of the people that I've kicked aren't very high in the leveling system and don't have any type of license.

Restricting lobby by requiring a certain license wouldn't be perfect but it would be better than what we currently have which is nothing.
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For every problem there is a solution. I don't think it would be as difficult in Nascar as you might think. You have to remember that the GT5 engine knows what is going on with everything from your steering and braking input, to the physics of the cars and I don't think it would be that difficult to make work. I don't race Nascar anymore because I was tired of getting wrecked racing to the flag but I don't recall any incidents where it wasn't clear who was at fault. Most of the time the trailing driver is at fault. If the lead car swerves into the trailing car as it's passing, GT5 knows that and can account for it. Brake check? It knows that too. If you lose control because the tires are worn and it's a physics thing well you didn't pit, so it should be your fault. You should get penalized for every car you take out. That would force people to pit instead of taking chances on making to the flag on bald tires and ruining every elses race in the process.

We also can have clear rules from GT5 as in the GTPlanet racing rules, concerning corner rights and so long as you adhere to them, the penalties are very clear. You need to be at a certain point in relation to the other car at the turn in point or the corner rights belong to the lead driver. Get parallel and you have equal rights and must hold your line. Get fully ahead and you have the right to the driving line of your choice. It's pretty clear. I've raced hundreds of league races and reviewed dozens of incidents and never had any trouble assigning responsibility according to GTPlanet Rules.

The real question is, will PD take the time to go through all the details, account for all the most likely scenarios and do a thorough job of programming the system so it works properly and that's where I have my doubts. My guess is they'll do it half a$$ed based on a handful of situations and simple assumptions and within a couple of days it'll be exploited and ruined. PD obviously doesn't care much about online otherwise qualifying and racing would be in such disarray like it is now.
 
Eric W
Many of us are adults and play like adults, not children.
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I'm and adult and have been driving for 3 years and if I want to race, I take my car to a track.

What you lot don't realise is, GT5 IS A GAME!
 
JasonK92
I'm and adult and have been driving for 3 years and if I want to race, I take my car to a track.

What you lot don't realise is, GT5 IS A GAME!
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Not everyone can just go out to a race track, thus a game will suffice.
 
JasonK92
I'm and adult and have been driving for 3 years and if I want to race, I take my car to a track.

What you lot don't realise is, GT5 IS A GAME!
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All of us realize that this is just a game but that isn't an excuse for someone to behave like a spoiled child in a group of adults even if it is in a virtual world.

Man has always played games though out history, it's part of human nature.
Video gaming is just another medium for us to play games and isn't just for children; many of us grew up with video games and still enjoy it.

Not everyone has the means to take an actual car to a track to race it.
 
Eric W
All of us realize that this is just a game but that isn't an excuse for someone to behave like a spoiled child in a group of adults even if it is in a virtual world.

Man has always played games though out history, it's part of human nature.
Video gaming is just another medium for us to play games and isn't just for children; many of us grew up with video games and still enjoy it.

Not everyone has the means to take an actual car to a track to race it.
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Even among children, there are those who can play well with others... and others who have a hard time getting along with others. ;)

These days, doctors generally assign psychiatric illness labels to the children who have a hard time playing well with others! :dopey:
Others would just call them "evil" or "bad seeds". :scared:

IMHO, children are pretty much just newer, smaller, less experienced versions of adult humans. :lol:

I think I'm a big kid... But a good big kid! :D
 

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