Are you tired of racing with non clean drivers?

[ZeGermanBastorD]

All we need is patched penalties & this:




But it's generally a internet wide problem. We need something like a "internet driving license". There has really something to be done about all these morons & trolls. F.e. just watch this or this [Warning: Disturbing Content]. And not to forget all the aimbotting/wallhacking morons. You really get sick of it.

 

[MugoGTR]

I'm and adult and have been driving for 3 years and if I want to race, I take my car to a track.

What you lot don't realise is, GT5 IS A GAME!

Yes you can take "your" car to a track. But because you are thinking about yourself you do not realise not everyone can drive in the real world and not everyone has money to buy a track car or take there own car onto the track.

 

[Johnnypenso]

To say GT5 is a game, therefore I can do whatever I want and play however I want, tells you all you need to know about that kind of player. Open lobbies are full of them and that's why many open lobbies are terrible. And while it's fun to concoct arguments and use logic to try and show these people the light, the truth is, they don't care, and are so self-absorbed that nothing, absolutely nothing you say will sink in.

 

[Eric W]

To say GT5 is a game, therefore I can do whatever I want and play however I want, tells you all you need to know about that kind of player. Open lobbies are full of them and that's why many open lobbies are terrible. And while it's fun to concoct arguments and use logic to try and show these people the light, the truth is, they don't care, and are so self-absorbed that nothing, absolutely nothing you say will sink in.

And that's why we need a better system for filtering them out. These people generally get bored with the game in a relatively short time but unfortunately there is an endless supply of them.

I just wish that PD cared more about making the game better for the hardcore Gran Turismo community rather than the casual player.

Personally, I wish they would get rid of boost and the option to run no tire wear.

 

[JaySin85]

Why do I have such an easy time finding clean rooms? Any night I go on I can usually find a good room. If not, I just open one myself.

It truely is no use trying to talk any sense into the childish racers. For them, if something is possible in a game, then it is how the game is meant to be played. Regardless of how many others they are annoying in the meantime.

In the end, they are just a waste of space on this planet.

 

[Efiv12]

we all have to learn the hard way with bad drivers and have good memories of gamer-tags

 

[watermelon punch]

That's given me a better idea than some kind of rating system.

Just a system that allows you to save certain people's names on some kind of a crap list. LOL
As in, not to block someone necessarily, but to add them to a list, where you're alerted when one joins the room you're in.

That way, it would be personal. People could decide for themselves what kind of racers they hate. Not leave it up to some system.

THough I suppose it would be just the same as a friends list or block list... and you'd only get 100 spots for crappy drivers, and that's probably not enough for most of the people complaining. haha.

 

[chuyler1]

PSN allows you to block certain accounts.. I wish that meant they couldn't join your lobby. That's about all this game needs. Anything more than that would be destroyed by trolls.

You can't go with in-game stats. There are just too many circumstances where someone would be penalized for doing nothing wrong:
* lag
* multi car wrecks
* rear ending someone who brakes way too early
* getting punted into cutting a corner

I just wish if I booted someone from a lobby, I could prevent them from ever joining a lobby I host ever again...because honestly, I don't keep track of the names of people I boot. I give them one race to prove they can stay off other driver's fenders and if I hear a complaint and I've never seen them before, they get the boot.

 

[watermelon punch]

PSN allows you to block certain accounts.. I wish that meant they couldn't join your lobby. That's about all this game needs.

Yep, that's what I think is missing there, the important part.
And an alert would be nice too (when I'm not in my own hosted room).

What exactly is the block list good for anyway?

 

[scarslasher]

Or make it so in order to give negative rep you need to sacrifice rep of your own.
Possibly twice as much rep taken from you than the rep you want to take from them.
Also, make it hard to detect. So you can only figure out when there's a change in your rep when you check your driver profile in GT Life.

It's not perfect, but would help kill some rep trolling.

 

[watermelon punch]

Or make it so in order to give negative rep you need to sacrifice rep of your own.
Possibly twice as much rep taken from you than the rep you want to take from them.

I'm not sure the math here makes sense.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they did it this way, then the most observant clean drivers would have doubly worse reputations than the trouble makers who get reported?

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

Hi there I searched the forums for a similar thread but could not find anything.

On to the topic. What would you guys think if PD added a rep system for on-line racing?. I think this feature would definitely be of use to a majority of people out there. A quick yet simple system that would determine if a player has bad or good history whilst racing on-line.

It would work out like this.

Driver 1
Driver 2
Driver 3

They are racing one lap of High speed ring. Drivers 1 and 2 had very clean driving and driver 3 wouldn't stop ramming. At the end of the race you can give rep to other players.

Next time your friend hosts a lobby and Driver 3 comes into the lobby. Simply click his name and check out his rep. His rep is bad due to ramming and bad driving so you can kick him out.

having a system like iRacing is the only way to go, relying on other players to report someone else's driving fairly? ha ha yeah right. it's never their fault....

 

[Sphinx]

All troll posts and responses have been removed.

The troll has now found out what I do to "entertain" myself.

Back on topic please.

 

[watermelon punch]

what I do to "entertain" myself.

Hoover & Shop-Vac have nothing on you! 👍


So in all the fuss, I realize that nobody ever answered my question:

What exactly is the block list good for anyway?

If you can't block someone from entering your lobbies... and it doesn't tell you when that blocked person enters a lobby you're in... Exactly what does it do?
Just keep them from sending you FRs?

In a forum, a block will just make it so it blocks people's posts. So if you don't want to see a certain person's posts because they annoy you, or you just think they're not interesting, the block will filter them out for you. It's practical & convenient.

But what does the block feature do on PSN??
It doesn't make their cars disappear off the track apparently!

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Hoover & Shop-Vac have nothing on you! 👍

So in all the fuss, I realize that nobody ever answered my question:

If you can't block someone from entering your lobbies... and it doesn't tell you when that blocked person enters a lobby you're in... Exactly what does it do?
Just keep them from sending you FRs?

In a forum, a block will just make it so it blocks people's posts. So if you don't want to see a certain person's posts because they annoy you, or you just think they're not interesting, the block will filter them out for you. It's practical & convenient.

But what does the block feature do on PSN??
It doesn't make their cars disappear off the track apparently!

I believe one things it does is stop the blocked person from sending you messages.

 

[watermelon punch]

I believe one things it does is stop the blocked person from sending you messages.

Ah, I just found out that you can send messages to people not on the Friends List. I suppose that's useful to prevent the random oddball who insists on spamming someone with messages... But not really helpful in context of game-play.

 

[Johnnypenso]

PSN allows you to block certain accounts.. I wish that meant they couldn't join your lobby. That's about all this game needs. Anything more than that would be destroyed by trolls.

You can't go with in-game stats. There are just too many circumstances where someone would be penalized for doing nothing wrong:
* lag
* multi car wrecks
* rear ending someone who brakes way too early
* getting punted into cutting a corner

I just wish if I booted someone from a lobby, I could prevent them from ever joining a lobby I host ever again...because honestly, I don't keep track of the names of people I boot. I give them one race to prove they can stay off other driver's fenders and if I hear a complaint and I've never seen them before, they get the boot.

All of these things can easily be accounted for. In a multi-car wreck for example, every car into the wreck, third and up, no penalty. The game knows when you are punted into a penalty and can account for that. In fact, the penalty would go against the punter, not only for the initial collision, but an additional penalty for causing a penalty to you. Things like driving backwards in a "Race for Real" lobby, should be automatic ejection after 10-15 seconds, even if they are ghosting, and huge damage to your reputation.

I don't believe there is much other than a random, highy unlikely incident, that can't be accounted for, but again, that's assuming that PD will put the time and effort into the initial programming and updates to the programming as different feedback is gathered. It can be done, if the commitment is there.

 

[watermelon punch]

Things like driving backwards in a "Race for Real" lobby, should be automatic ejection after 10-15 seconds, even if they are ghosting

That, I agree, should have been easy enough to implement. Casting out a racer that drives backwards during a race.
It's possible that nobody in programming ever predicted that this kind of thing would be a problem.

 

[fiji]

poor dude who just has a bad connection and lags in some rooms and not others and rams without realising?? But lets smite him. Just rise to the occasion... eventually he'll get kicked out.

 

[watermelon punch]

I don't think anyone's talking about people who occasionally unintentionally bump because of lag.
I've raced with people lagging, and yeah, occasionally it can make for accidents. But not the kind of dirty driving that griefers do... and that's what this thread is about really. People who are not driving clean. Not just sloppy drivers, unclean drivers.

And quite frankly, those crazy times you see people lagging & then SHOOTING around the track & across the lawns, and punting cars out of nowhere... I'm convinced that's NO accident, and they realize exactly what they're doing. (especially since they seem to join rooms in pairs at the same time and then do it together - and it's apparent they're cooperating if you exit the race & enter watch race & observe their movements)

 

[fiji]

ok i'll edit. Just rise to the occasion... eventually he'll get kicked out.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

And quite frankly, those crazy times you see people lagging & then SHOOTING around the track & across the lawns, and punting cars out of nowhere... I'm convinced that's NO accident, and they realize exactly what they're doing. (especially since they seem to join rooms in pairs at the same time and then do it together - and it's apparent they're cooperating if you exit the race & enter watch race & observe their movements)

You really believe that some people say, umm let's put lots of download on the background in my pc and goes play GT5 online so I lag like crazy and **** everyone else ? Also there's no way to know if you lag or not, on your side it will probably look exactly like a screen of a non-lagger. This is because GT5 use a bad network system for GT5 not becasue some people are ass.

 

[Cowboys965]

Maybe a computer-controlled system like iRacing Safety Rating? Maybe the ability to turn it on/off in the lobby, like in dirty rooms or just screwing around?

 

[Johnnypenso]

poor dude who just has a bad connection and lags in some rooms and not others and rams without realising?? But lets smite him. Just rise to the occasion... eventually he'll get kicked out.

Again, the game knows when you are lagging and it can be accounted for. In fact, there's no reason why a little window can't pop up telling you that you are lagging, and that you should stop all other activity on your internet connection before you race again. Everything that is happening on the screen the game knows, just like you know, and it also knows what inputs each driver is making, the stuff you can't see.

Maybe a computer-controlled system like iRacing Safety Rating? Maybe the ability to turn it on/off in the lobby, like in dirty rooms or just screwing around?

Yeah that's pretty much what we're talking about and that ability to turn it on and off so you can have a smash up derby or less serious event is also a good idea. Not all racing is that serious, so having the option would be a good idea.👍

The thing I've realize recently is, PD is still stuck in the mode of thinking this game is an A-Spec/B-Spec game, that online is just a small added feature, and thinking the popularity of the game will go on for years like the other versions did. The Marketplace has changed, many of us are tired of racing against the computer and want a bigger challenge as in racing online against real people. The game will not go on for years, in fact it's dying as we speak, at least in open lobbies. Go on almost any night and see if you can find any circuit racing 450-600pp and if you do, try to find it on anything other than RS tires. If the game were popular, there would be dozens upon dozens of lobbies with this type of racing and it simply isn't the case. The hardcore racers have retreated to the sanctity of Private Lounge Networks and Organized Race Leagues and Events. Most of the online lobbies are drag racing, run what you brung, 600+PP (in other words chaos), high speed challenges etc.

 

[bushmaster]

I was in a private lounge last week where I got blocked for lagging. In the free run before the race I watched 2 cars for a full lap and the 2nd car was ghosted for the whole lap.The race started with 8 cars and at the start 2 cars stayed on the start line then they went about 200 ft and stopped. I seemed to pull away from the start as normal and made a full lap then on my second lap I get kicked. When I tried to rejoin I get the message I am blocked for lagging.

It certainly did not appear to me that I was lagging. So now I am blocked from that lounge with no recourse to get back in.So even in the private lounges there seems to be a problem

 

[chuyler1]

Most internet connections supply more download bandwidth than upload bandwidth. It is typical for a lagger to not see any problem on the track. But if more than one person claims you are lagging, it is because you don't have enough upload bandwidth to send data to every other player. The game uses a mesh network architecture to reduce pings between drivers. However the issue is that it ends up using higher bandwidth than a typical client-server approach.

 

[watermelon punch]

You really believe that some people say, umm let's put lots of download on the background in my pc and goes play GT5 online so I lag like crazy and **** everyone else ? Also there's no way to know if you lag or not, on your side it will probably look exactly like a screen of a non-lagger. This is because GT5 use a bad network system for GT5 not becasue some people are ass.

I will allow that yes, some people are clueless, and try to race on an internet connection where other people in the household are, at the same time, talking to in-laws on Skype, downloading movies, streaming videos, and uploading files to a share service or something...

But generally when I see people who lag quite a bit and probably don't know it... They lag, and they drive on the track. It's just disjointed from the rest of the racers.
Thus sometimes causing crashes. Or at best, makes them look erratic.
But they're not driving like nutballs spinning out & shooting way out of the bounds of the track.

But several times now I've watched when 2 people enter a room at the same time, and BOTH of them are lagging. And they're not just lagging... they're off the track spinning around. Don't even bother to break at the 1st turn after a long straight. Doing donuts off the grid start. Etc.
That's not the purely innocent results of lag.

 

[bushmaster]

So if the problem is on my end what would be the best way to resolve it. It only seems to have been a problem since the 2.04 update.

 

[Eric W]

When I see someone lagging in my rooms I ask the person(s) to back out of the room, clear their internet cache, and then rejoin. This usually seems to help.

But, if the person(s) don't listen to me, understand what I'm telling them, or simply don't care then I will kick them.

There is a multitude of reasons for lag issues but clearing ones cache seems to help more often than not. It really should be an automatic process that happens every day.

 

[watermelon punch]

So if the problem is on my end what would be the best way to resolve it. It only seems to have been a problem since the 2.04 update.

Lagging problems?
I've had disconnects since the 2.04 update... but I don't think I have found that it causes lag exactly.

Regardless, what I have found (& heard) to help with disconnects, lag, track loading problems, invisible car problems, etc. :

• Clear cache
• use a cat6 network cable instead of a cat5 or wireless
• don't have downloading or streaming going on in the household while you're racing
• don't run your ps3 at nearly full hard drive capacity