Are you tired of racing with non clean drivers?

[bushmaster]

1. I clear my cache and restart my PS3 before joining a lounge

2. I am using a Cat5 cable I will get a Cat6 What is the difference in these cables.

3. My wife might pay Scrabble online at the same time would that effect me???

4. Where do I find out how much drive space I have left on my Ps3

I am just trying to race online but I also do not wish to ruin other peoples racing as some have suggested, I also don't like being blocked for something I might not have control over.

 

[jreb]

I'll admit it now, if someone touches my car they'd get a bad rep lol. But it's a good idea. OR you have to have a certain 'high level' of rep if you're to be allowed to rep other players? Only players who log in a certain number of hours on GT5 every week would be allowed to have high rep and rep others.

This is was bothers me so much. There are some people in gt5 that cant take a bump. You barely touch their car and they flip! I love this game but honestly its a game if your bump into thats it there isnt damage to your vehicle you dont have to pay for it and your insurance will never know lol....but really why are some people so picky with this?

Grow up!

And just an example I bumped some guy in a race he spun out and left the room. He later sent me a " friend request" i opened it and it was just him cursing at me calling me a whole bunch of things. I can take that, but what about other players who cant? People dont think about others and how they can react to being cussed out.

 

[chuyler1]

I have never cleared my cache and never had any of my regulars claim I was lagging. The clearing cache bit is just a myth. A better check list...

* Wired connection (opposed to WiFi). If you can connect with the wire you have, there is no need to upgrade to CAT6.

* Router configuration. Make sure UPnP is enabled and you can get NAT 2. Search the web for instructions.

* Other people in the house or neighbors using your internet. Your WiFi should have a password that only you and your immediate family know. When you race, make sure your kids aren't streaming Netflix in their bedrooms.

* Internet provider. Sadly, some providers just don't offer a stable enough connection for online gaming with people across the continent/world.

The clearing cache bit is just a lame excuse to get people with bad connections to disconnect and try connecting again. It works sometimes, but only because it re-initiates the protocol.

 

[ZohsixGT5]

This is was bothers me so much. There are some people in gt5 that cant take a bump. You barely touch their car and they flip! I love this game but honestly its a game if your bump into thats it there isnt damage to your vehicle you dont have to pay for it and your insurance will never know lol....but really why are some people so picky with this?

Grow up!

And just an example I bumped some guy in a race he spun out and left the room. He later sent me a " friend request" i opened it and it was just him cursing at me calling me a whole bunch of things. I can take that, but what about other players who cant? People dont think about others and how they can react to being cussed out.

Maybe because people like to race without getting spun out by noobs?

 

[watermelon punch]

I really don't know how much bandwidth a game like Scrabble would use up.
General internet surfing on one other computer while racing has never caused a problem in our household.

As for the cat6 cable... I just know it's supposed to be a better quality for gaming than a cat5, & generally accepted to be the case.

 

[jreb]

Maybe because people like to race without getting spun out by noobs?

But there isnt a need for flipping out

 

[watermelon punch]

I have never cleared my cache and never had any of my regulars claim I was lagging. The clearing cache bit is just a myth.

I don't think it's a myth... I think it's just that it's only an issue for people who are doing a lot of online & bspec remote racing, AND particularly for people who are doing that, and running their ps3s at near full hard drive capacity.

And mainly, I think it's related specifically to "black screen" issues.


Also: I would not respond to any baiting on this thread, lest the hoovering be needed again, and the entire thread might be locked, which would be a shame.

 

[chuyler1]

As for the cat6 cable... I just know it's supposed to be a better quality for gaming than a cat5, & generally accepted to be the case.

Is CAT6 better? Yes.
Is CAT6 faster? Yes.

Is CAT5 the bottleneck? Absolutely not. Your cable modem is much slower than even a poor quality CAT5 cable.

 

[watermelon punch]

Is CAT6 better? Yes.
Is CAT6 faster? Yes.

Is CAT5 the bottleneck? Absolutely not. Your cable modem is much slower than even a poor quality CAT5 cable.

Oh, I never claimed a cat5 cable is a bottleneck, as I have NO CLUE about hardware in this manner.

I just always point out that *I* happen to be using a cat6 cable, for disclosure purposes.
Mainly, I just recommend a HARD WIRE connection instead of wireless, because everything I've heard... it truly sounds like people with the most problems tend to be wireless connected.

I also have DSL, not cable modem?? So my internet speed is much lower than most people's (on cable)... yet I don't have as many problems as a lot of people. I believe that's because the DSL in my region is good quality, even if it's not as fast.
This is NOT the case in all parts of the US or the world.

I don't think gt5 needs a fast connection... I just think it needs a steady stable connection.

 

[MugoGTR]

But there isnt a need for flipping out

There is a need for flipping out when the other driver is causing disruption intentionally. For example (and you will agree with me on this one). The other day on the nurburgring, me and another driver who was infront of me were going round the last corner which led onto the final straight. Now I thought this would be neck and neck because it was set to 400bhp.

So I realised my car was faster than his and I was going to take him. What does he do. He would not let me pass. He intentionally swerved from right to left trying to block me as he knew I was going to beat him. So I tried my best to try get around him then all of a sudden he hits the breaks hard causing me to hit into him and spin out. and I went from 3rd place to last.

That was so uncalled for. I messaged him saying come on man why do that.

His reply " Cause Im better than you "

What a douche.

 

[jreb]

There is a need for flipping out when the other driver is causing disruption intentionally. For example (and you will agree with me on this one). The other day on the nurburgring, me and another driver who was infront of me were going round the last corner which led onto the final straight. Now I thought this would be neck and neck because it was set to 400bhp.

So I realised my car was faster than his and I was going to take him. What does he do. He would not let me pass. He intentionally swerved from right to left trying to block me as he knew I was going to beat him. So I tried my best to try get around him then all of a sudden he hits the breaks hard causing me to hit into him and spin out. and I went from 3rd place to last.

That was so uncalled for. I messaged him saying come on man why do that.

His reply " Cause Im better than you "

What a douche.

Do you not watch racing?

Professional drivers even do that its called strategy. All you have to do is see when hes going to swerve, hit his rear corner and spin him out. I dont jeff gordon just letting people pass him up. To be a real driver you need to know how to handle this.. You need to be a step ahead of your opponent.

 

[Eric W]

Blocking is fine if it is done correctly. It should be used as a tactical defensive move to prevent the car behind you from getting around you, but many unskilled drivers use it offensively.

It's one thing to take someones line but it totally different if the driver in front is swerving on the track to prevent anyone from passing him. If someone is clearly faster than you then you should let them pass even if it's for the win.

 

[parabulla]

There is a need for flipping out when the other driver is causing disruption intentionally. For example (and you will agree with me on this one). The other day on the nurburgring, me and another driver who was infront of me were going round the last corner which led onto the final straight. Now I thought this would be neck and neck because it was set to 400bhp.

So I realised my car was faster than his and I was going to take him. What does he do. He would not let me pass. He intentionally swerved from right to left trying to block me as he knew I was going to beat him. So I tried my best to try get around him then all of a sudden he hits the breaks hard causing me to hit into him and spin out. and I went from 3rd place to last.

That was so uncalled for. I messaged him saying come on man why do that.

His reply " Cause Im better than you "

What a douche.

Do you not watch racing?

Professional drivers even do that its called strategy. All you have to do is see when hes going to swerve, hit his rear corner and spin him out. I dont jeff gordon just letting people pass him up. To be a real driver you need to know how to handle this.. You need to be a step ahead of your opponent.

Strategy? Yes. Fair play? Debatable.

I agree that as a skilled driver, taking someone out who is intentionally blocking should be part of your arsenal. Take it as a lesson learned, and perhaps next time you'll be the one having to answer the question "why did you do that?"

 

[chuyler1]

When someone blocks you or pushes you off your line, you fight back. Plain and simple. This is what happens when people cut me off. Watch the red truck lean on me, then get what was coming to him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Km7QzwXOKwU#t=174s

As for swerving being a strategy. It is not, in real racing this gets drivers killed. There is a reason F1 has a 1-move limit down the straight. Indy cars obey this as well even on ovals you will see them move inside once, then move outside once before the next turn. They don't weave back and forth at 200 mph. But that won't stop kids from doing in this game because they feel they deserve to win by staying out front for the previous 12 miles of the ring...when in fact the only reason they're in a position to weave and block was because they were going too slow to pull away prior to the straight.

 

[thechosenwonton]

I really don't know how much bandwidth a game like Scrabble would use up.
General internet surfing on one other computer while racing has never caused a problem in our household.

As for the cat6 cable... I just know it's supposed to be a better quality for gaming than a cat5, & generally accepted to be the case.

Lol. cat5 and cat6 cable will make absolutely NO difference in gaming, at all. Period. Buy whatever is cheapest.

 

[thechosenwonton]

When someone blocks you or pushes you off your line, you fight back. Plain and simple. This is what happens when people cut me off. Watch the red truck lean on me, then get what was coming to him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Km7QzwXOKwU#t=174s

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Looked like a pretty fair pass to me. He braked later, had the inside line and forced you off wide. You see that in professional racing all the time. You also see what you did in pro-racing all the time (if you don't think so, watch some BTCC, and then say I'm wrong) so turn about is fair play in my book.

 

[SicKmcNasTy]

What would really solve all of these blocking and spinning issues is if this game a realistic damage model. If the damage your car acquired would negatively effect how your car drives and feels you wouldn't see as many people doing this, and if you did see them doing this, they'd be back-of-the-pack type drivers anyway.

 

[MugoGTR]

Do you not watch racing?

Professional drivers even do that its called strategy. All you have to do is see when hes going to swerve, hit his rear corner and spin him out. I dont jeff gordon just letting people pass him up. To be a real driver you need to know how to handle this.. You need to be a step ahead of your opponent.

Do you not read posts clearly? I said he was blocking me which I was trying to around him this bit I wasn't bothered about. If you read the post clearly I said he hit the brakes hard which cause me to hit into him and spin out.

I don't watch much professional racing but I don't think drivers hit the brakes into cars behind them. Do they?

 

[chuyler1]

Looked like a pretty fair pass to me. He braked later, had the inside line and forced you off wide. You see that in professional racing all the time. You also see what you did in pro-racing all the time (if you don't think so, watch some BTCC, and then say I'm wrong) so turn about is fair play in my book.

👎 He drove into the grass (4 wheels inside the white line) to side swipe me into the grass on entry and pushed me into the dirt on exit, leaving no track left for me to drive on. If I wasn't there he would have put the truck into the ARMCO on the opposite side of the track. No way he could have made that turn in a real car/truck. You don't see that all the time in pro racing because that kind of move would destroy both cars. In any case, it wasn't the first bone headed move the driver made that race. He plowed through the entire field to get to the front punting and pushing others off the track. I gave him a dose of his own medicine and he quit after that race.

 

[thechosenwonton]

👎 He drove into the grass (4 wheels inside the white line) to side swipe me into the grass on entry and pushed me into the dirt on exit, leaving no track left for me to drive on. If I wasn't there he would have put the truck into the ARMCO on the opposite side of the track. No way he could have made that turn in a real car/truck. You don't see that all the time in pro racing because that kind of move would destroy both cars. In any case, it wasn't the first bone headed move the driver made that race. He plowed through the entire field to get to the front punting and pushing others off the track. I gave him a dose of his own medicine and he quit after that race.

Disagree. He would have made that corner, he didn't hit you that hard, he would have slid a touch wide, but not into the grass, as the corner opens after that. Watch BTCC if you disagree, that kinda crap goes on all the time.

correction: I would have made that corner, because I would have been sliding sideways - and just touched you - looks like he was just going too straight after watching it again.

 

[watermelon punch]

I don't care to debate what's done in real racing, whether it be Formula 1 or NASCAR... the pit maneuver, wild weaving, dive-bombing, or shooting around with 4 wheels off the track....
If it's darn annoying to most of us in my crowd, and seems ridiculous & distracting, forget about doing it in any race I'm hosting.
Full stop.

If you have a problem with that... don't join my races. Period. Go find somewhere else. To each their own.

I don't understand why people feel the need to try and tell others that they should like dirty racing.
Some of the dirty racer defenders sound like they're trying to make religious converts or something.
It's silly, and there's no need for it.

The thread is titled, "Are you tired of racing non-clean drivers?"
The question isn't, "Will you try to convince me that dirty racing is the way to go?"




Edit: I occasionally like a little fun race w/ boost on high & damage heavy, among friends. (But that's different. If that's the case, it's all known up-front. And that's the difference between non-clean drivers annoying people in clean rooms.)

 

[Johnnypenso]

Do you not watch racing?

Professional drivers even do that its called strategy. All you have to do is see when hes going to swerve, hit his rear corner and spin him out. I dont jeff gordon just letting people pass him up. To be a real driver you need to know how to handle this.. You need to be a step ahead of your opponent.

Once again I say Dale Earnhardt has ruined racing for millions of people who think that intentionally wrecking someone is a legitimate part of racing. It's not a step ahead it's a step behind and a step back for someone who can't make a legal pass and resorts to destroying other people's property and endangering their lives in the process.

Blocking is fine if it is done correctly. It should be used as a tactical defensive move to prevent the car behind you from getting around you, but many unskilled drivers use it offensively.

It's one thing to take someones line but it totally different if the driver in front is swerving on the track to prevent anyone from passing him. If someone is clearly faster than you then you should let them pass even if it's for the win.

No, never, ever. I've won many races from guys that were slightly faster than me and lost some when I was slightly faster but behind. You do everything within the rules to prevent someone else from getting by, that's racing. Swerving from side to side is not within the rules of any racing. Making a lane change to throw up a block and defending the inside line are both perfectly legal maneuvres and if you can't get by me when I'm doing that, you don't deserve the position.

Looked like a pretty fair pass to me. He braked later, had the inside line and forced you off wide. You see that in professional racing all the time. You also see what you did in pro-racing all the time (if you don't think so, watch some BTCC, and then say I'm wrong) so turn about is fair play in my book.

No it wasn't clean, not even close. He didn't brake late, he hardly braked at all and used another car as his guardrail to slow him down and prevent him from going off the track himself. It was a clear divebomb and would have resulted in penalties in real racing and is clearly in violation of GTPlanet's Rules concering corner rights and divebombing. The ensuing Pit Maneuvre was however, quite spectacular and well deserved! 👍

 

[Eric W]

No, never, ever. I've won many races from guys that were slightly faster than me and lost some when I was slightly faster but behind. You do everything within the rules to prevent someone else from getting by, that's racing. Swerving from side to side is not within the rules of any racing. Making a lane change to throw up a block and defending the inside line are both perfectly legal maneuvres and if you can't get by me when I'm doing that, you don't deserve the position.

I've had plenty of races where the car behind me had a run and was able to pass me for the win and vice versa. I generally don't block, I race other driver the way I expect to be raced. If the car behind me gets a clean run on me then I'm not going to block him even if it's for the win.

 

[thechosenwonton]

I don't care to debate what's done in real racing, whether it be Formula 1 or NASCAR... the pit maneuver, wild weaving, dive-bombing, or shooting around with 4 wheels off the track....
If it's darn annoying to most of us in my crowd, and seems ridiculous & distracting, forget about doing it in any race I'm hosting.
Full stop.

If you have a problem with that... don't join my races. Period. Go find somewhere else. To each their own.

I don't understand why people feel the need to try and tell others that they should like dirty racing.
Some of the dirty racer defenders sound like they're trying to make religious converts or something.
It's silly, and there's no need for it.

The thread is titled, "Are you tired of racing non-clean drivers?"
The question isn't, "Will you try to convince me that dirty racing is the way to go?"




Edit: I occasionally like a little fun race w/ boost on high & damage heavy, among friends. (But that's different. If that's the case, it's all known up-front. And that's the difference between non-clean drivers annoying people in clean rooms.)

I always race clean. Side by side all day at the nordschliefe, and thats a tight track. The problem is, some folks don't understand that a tiny bump sound when they turned into you isn't my fault, and then go into psycho ram mode. There is only so much space on the track. I give quarter whenever I can, but if I have a pass, and you slam the door on me when I would have made it otherwise? That's on the other guy, not me. A block pass is a totally legit move as well - you out brake the guy, box the corner off which compromises your exit speed, and you're in danger of being passed right back, if they know what they're doing. A block pass where you use the other car as something to bounce off of is not.

Unless someone intentionally crashes me, then I think I'm entitled to a little payback. Just the other day at Monza, last lap (was a bad room, should have left earlier, lots of crashies, had to come from about 8 back due to being smashed off the track), I made a clean out braking pass through the last chicane (Variante Ascari) before Parabolica, the guy is on the inside as I exit, and rams me, as in turns hard right into me, off the track - so he passes me back, I draft right up to him before entering Parabolica, and just brake 10 feet later - gave him a nice tiny tap to force him wide, and win the race. Dirty? No. He freaking deserved it, he just was pissed that I passed him. Would I have done that? No. I would have had a huge smile on my face that he passed me like that, and tried to set him up for Parabolica (minus the tapping part, obviously).

So I hope you're not referring to me with the :boggle: comment. I'm the guy you WANT in your room. Trust me on that. If someone is obviously waayy faster than me, I don't even bother, I'll just let them pass and see if I can keep up, and try to pick up on any lines they're using to my advantage.

As for being tired of it, I don't bother with those rooms for very long. I can tell the erratic drivers from the clean pretty quick, and usually those sorts of rooms are MAGNETS for crappy drivers. The fast guys leave. Either making lots of mistakes, or using you as a brake. I look for rooms with no boost, no assists, and 450 to 600pp - it's not a hard fast rule, but usually you'll get in with a decent group of folks, 70-80% of the time.

As for the crash kiddies, they'll typically get dropped. Might be a problem for the first couple of corners, but after that, I won't see them again for the entire race. Its the guys/gals that CAN drive, but don't understand that getting passed is part of the game, that bother me. Usually, that isn't the case, it's usually one or the other, but they are out there.

 

[Herman79]

I've had plenty of races where the car behind me had a run and was able to pass me for the win and vice versa. I generally don't block, I race other driver the way I expect to be raced. If the car behind me gets a clean run on me then I'm not going to block him even if it's for the win.

+1 👍👍

 

[thechosenwonton]

No it wasn't clean, not even close. He didn't brake late, he hardly braked at all and used another car as his guardrail to slow him down and prevent him from going off the track himself. It was a clear divebomb and would have resulted in penalties in real racing and is clearly in violation of GTPlanet's Rules concering corner rights and divebombing. The ensuing Pit Maneuvre was however, quite spectacular and well deserved! 👍

Read where I watched it again - from one angle it looked like a mild tap, and a legit, albeit rough pass - I watched it again, and realized he just was basically going straight on at the guy.

 

[watermelon punch]

Unless someone intentionally crashes me, then I think I'm entitled to a little payback.
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So I hope you're not referring to me with the :boggle: comment. I'm the guy you WANT in your room.

My boggle comment was specifically about comments (not people who make them)... regarding, "here's why you should accept MY dirty driving" or "here's why you should accept this tactic and not call me dirty".
And the illogical-ness of that.

I certainly wasn't singling you out with my
I was just making comment on the arguments sometimes used in this thread to defend dirty driving tactics. When I think it's irrelevant.

As for the "a little payback"... I'm sure that's acceptable in many people's races. But most of the people I race with, engaging with dirty drivers stooping to their level, would be frowned upon.
I wouldn't do it, as a host, simply because I wouldn't want to give that kind of example, and encourage a tit for tat that can spiral out into a general dirty driving atmosphere in the venue.
Tu Quo Que.

 

[chuyler1]

Part of the problem is people always site Nordschleif when it comes to weaving and blocking. That track is just asking for it though. There are only about 3 maybe 4 places wide enough to execute a clean pass. Almost all the turns are tightly clustered and if you come across someone that is good enough not to miss apexes or run off the track, you pretty much have to just wait them out. By the time you reach the end someone might think it is unfair for their opponent to just draft pass them for the win. As I said before, it takes skill to follow and be in a position to draft pass in the first place but some just don't see it.

Now take any other track where you run multiple laps and you can have a ball playing cat and mouse with your opponent. Let him pass, and then show him you can do the same. If there is a stalemate, try to be in the position to get the last pass of the race. When people race each other clean, it can be far more intense than just a battle of bumpers.

 

[thechosenwonton]

Part of the problem is people always site Nordschleif when it comes to weaving and blocking. That track is just asking for it though. There are only about 3 maybe 4 places wide enough to execute a clean pass. Almost all the turns are tightly clustered and if you come across someone that is good enough not to miss apexes or run off the track, you pretty much have to just wait them out. By the time you reach the end someone might think it is unfair for their opponent to just draft pass them for the win. As I said before, it takes skill to follow and be in a position to draft pass in the first place but some just don't see it.

Now take any other track where you run multiple laps and you can have a ball playing cat and mouse with your opponent. Let him pass, and then show him you can do the same. If there is a stalemate, try to be in the position to get the last pass of the race. When people race each other clean, it can be far more intense than just a battle of bumpers.

Totally. I have been shaking at the end of some serious Nordschliefe stuff, just that amp'd up at the end. For as many corners as there are on that track, there are maybe 5 legit places you can pass, unless the other driver makes a mistake. I usually hold my hand until the last laps on other tracks, especially if the guy/gal is fast. I like them to think I'm putting in 100% when I still have 2% in the bag to try and gap before the finish.

 

[watermelon punch]

Part of the problem is people always site Nordschleif when it comes to
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Thanks for that.
My eyes glaze over at any driving preference argument that cites a 1 lap race at that track specifically as the basis of their argument.
That said, maybe that's just played out for me. It held my interest for a couple of days of online racing, and then... nah thanks.

But some people like a straight diet of 1-lap races @ Nürburgring Nordschleife... and to each their own. Not my cup of tea. I'll take 2 laps at Nurb 24hrs, when it's all said & done.

Now take any other track where you run multiple laps and you can have a ball playing cat and mouse with your opponent. Let him pass, and then show him you can do the same. If there is a stalemate, try to be in the position to get the last pass of the race. When people race each other clean, it can be far more intense than just a battle of bumpers.

Yes! That's why I like clean oval racing. And I tend to like that kind of racing on ANY track, if it can be arranged.
It's a matter of strategy preference.

"just a battle of bumpers" is a good way to describe what a lot of us don't really find that captivating.
At least not a straight diet of it.
Like I said, once in awhile it's funny to put boost on high on an oval and go bang bang for some dirty nascar. But that's not something I could see myself getting hooked on as a regular racing interest.

And I certainly don't enjoy racing where everyone's racing by a different set of rules.
It's like trying to play Monopoly with 6 people, with just one person taking double turns, or just 2 people being allowed to buy hotels on their 1st turn.

Others' mileage may vary on all of this, of course.
Just don't try to convince me "bumper boats is the only way to go!"