Audi R8 VS Audi R18

[Chikane_GTR]

Which was the better race car for his time? And if you could own one? Which one?

 

[Peter.]

Not sure if singling out two cars out of the many, many Le Mans winners over the years warrants a whole new thread.

But since you asked I'd say the R8 probably had it easier considering that it came along immediately as Porsche, Toyota and BMW all pulled out and didn't have that much competition, but it can only beat what it's up against, and that it did.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

Not sure if singling out two cars out of the many, many Le Mans winners over the years warrants a whole new thread.

But since you asked I'd say the R8 probably had it easier considering that it came along immediately as Porsche, Toyota and BMW all pulled out and didn't have that much competition, but it can only beat what it's up against, and that it did.

? That would go against what the point of my thread is? its not about Porsche, Toyota and BMW. I was just asking which car(Audi Race Car) was more dominate for his time? Sorry if my thread offended you so much

 

[UnkaD]

Of course the R8 was more dominant without any really heavy competition in 2000. That's what Peter was getting at. Personally I'd choose the R8R or R8C from 1999, but that would probably go against the point of your thread too, huh?

 

[Com Fox]

Granted there is so much literations of the R18, generalizing them to one roof would be absurd.

My personal favourite is the R18 Ultra, due to it being a more simpler idea than just Hybrid lol, and was able to fight its e-tron brother in the early stages but Hybrids got a bit too OP for the Ultra .

The most dominant I will say is the R18 e-tron in its first version, 2-0 at Le Mans and was able to beat Toyota more strongly than any of Audis tie in with Peugeot. The weakest is the 2014 Audi R18 e-tron, granted I don't blame Audi as I felt like they got intentionally screwed by the 2014 LMP1 regulations, but while it did at Le Mans, it really had a bit of a difficult staying on its feet.

 

[ULTRAVIOLENZZ]

No poll?

 

[The87Dodge]

I'd take the R8, it looks better.

 

[MisterWaffles]

R8 wins, no questions. It's faster, looks way better than the 2016 R18 and had a better livery.
Perhaps add a pole to the thread?

 

[fortbo]

This is tough, but I would say the E-tron because the technology behind it is amazing.

 

[Com Fox]

R8 wins, no questions. It's faster, looks way better than the 2016 R18 and had a better livery.
Perhaps add a pole to the thread?

Judging by the qualifying times of Le Mans 2001 and 2011, the Audi R18 TDI is easily faster even going to the 25s while the R8 stuck in the 30s.

 

[MisterWaffles]

Judging by the qualifying times of Le Mans 2001 and 2011, the Audi R18 TDI is easily faster even going to the 25s while the R8 stuck in the 30s.

Well, it is faster in top speed, the R8 can pull 350km/h while the R18 is stuck at 340 or lower on the mulsanne

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Well, it is faster in top speed, the R8 can pull 350km/h while the R18 is stuck at 340 or lower on the mulsanne

Top speed isn't the only factor though. All around the R18 is insanely better than what is now a primitive R8. Also 10 kph slower...I mean I'm sure if they messed with gearing and maps they could easily eek out the extra 10 if they wanted. But in a competition where it's about more than top speeds especially when trying to triple stint tires these days.

For me it's the R18 or what ever Audi is the most technological.

 

[MisterWaffles]

Honestly, this surprises me, because here I am sitting around thinking LMPs are getting slower and slower after downsizing engines, aero regulations, emission standards etc. But in reality they seem to be getting faster with hybrid technology

 

[FoRiZon]

You do realized speed isnt the only winning factor of an endurance race? Fuel economy and reliability are also one of major factor.

 

[Com Fox]

You do realized speed isnt the only winning factor of an endurance race? Fuel economy and reliability are also one of major factor.

Yes, though this little discussion which one is faster not which car is the overall best.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Well I have a feeling this year's LMPs will go north on their top speeds compared to last year. As for the R8 vs R18, The R8 is among the last breeds of simple looking prototypes before F1 type aero tech came into play. I prefer the simplicity of back then.

But the R18 accomplished more in my opinion because it was stacked up against far stiffer competition. The R8's main foil was the Pescarolo squad. Don't even mention Cadillac because that was just an embarrassment.

Still the R8 managed to eek out that 2005 win just on reliability while the Pescarolos were crashing or being fixed. I remember how the R8s had to draft behind the Aston and Corvette GT1s because the top speed was just stolen from them due to regulations.

 

[RACECAR]

? That would go against what the point of my thread is? its not about Porsche, Toyota and BMW. I was just asking which car(Audi Race Car) was more dominate for his time? Sorry if my thread offended you so much

I don't even understand why that is even a question. Clearly, the R8 was a more dominant car as it barely had ANY challengers in the six years its competed. That's not a opinion, that's a FACT. The R18 had to first off contend with an even faster Peugeot 908 in its debut year (and we all remember how quick those cars were), then it had two dominant seasons as two variants before Toyota beat the snot out of them in 2014 and then had the same done to then by Porsche in 2015. Again, not even a contest.

 

[TexasTyme214]

For it's time, I'm going to say the R8. It was constantly very competitive until the rules changed. The R18 seemed to have a tougher fight in several of its years.

 

[Com Fox]

You cannot really blame the R18, it faced off against Peugeots strong 908s in its debut and the 2014 LMP1 Rule regulations completely targeted Audi and their 2014 Version of the R18 like how the 2006 rule change made the R8 absolute. The R8 didn't even have any rivals during its period except for the Pescarolo C60 but that was when all the R8s were sold to private teams.

For it's time, I'm going to say the R8. It was constantly very competitive until the rules changed. The R18 seemed to have a tougher fight in several of its years.

 

[FoRiZon]

I think its not the Audi thats gone downhill. Its just its competitors were upped the game to match Audi's.

 

[Com Fox]

I think its not the Audi thats gone downhill. Its just its competitors were upped the game to match Audi's.

The competitors did up their game but Audi is pretty much handicapped with the regulations that came in 2014 unless they stop using diesel so Audi has a really hard time fighting back.

 

[FutureF1]

EDIT: BTW I like the R18. Every new Audi is pretty much the best to me. My favorite R18 is probably the 2015 version. Gonna miss that flywheel.....

 

[TexasTyme214]

You cannot really blame the R18, it faced off against Peugeots strong 908s in its debut and the 2014 LMP1 Rule regulations completely targeted Audi and their 2014 Version of the R18 like how the 2006 rule change made the R8 absolute. The R8 didn't even have any rivals during its period except for the Pescarolo C60 but that was when all the R8s were sold to private teams.

Exactly. The R8 was a better race car in its time for having less competition. That doesn't make the R18, but that can't make it better for its time.

 

[Com Fox]

Exactly. The R8 was a better race car in its time for having less competition. That doesn't make the R18, but that can't make it better for its time.

I don't think having competition makes a Race Car better for its time. If nearly every manufacturer didn't drop out before the R8, then it would have a difficult time. It did have tough battles with the BMW V12 LMR over in the ALMS series though.

Lets not forget there isn't just 1 R18. According to the drivers the 2014 R18s only similarly to the 2012-13 R18 e-tron is its name. The same could be said for the 2015 R18 and 2016 R18 judging by how they are designed. The R18 e-tron 2012-2013 probably had the same success as the R8, R8 only rival was the BMW V12 LMR in the ALMS as well as Pescarolo Sport when the R8 was left with privateers. The R18 I'm talking abouts only rival was Toyota.

 

[TexasTyme214]

Correct. I took all the existing R18s into account when I made that statement. Over all its years, only the first half of 2012 and about all of 2013 showed the R18 as the very best car. 2011, 2014, and 2015 weren't as easy.

As far as the possibility of competition not dropping out, the departure of Peugeot was possibly the biggest reason for the 2012-2013 success of the R18.

I went with how dominant a car was in picking the R8 because it's harder to make other comparisons. Perhaps you could argue that the innovations of the R18 in its time were more important than the R8's.

 

[Samus]

Well the R18 is ten better, obviously. Simple maths.

 

[nick98]

Well the R18 is ten better, obviously. Simple maths.

Ha. :v

 

[RACECAR]

R8 only rival was the BMW V12 LMR in the ALMS as well as Pescarolo Sport when the R8 was left with privateers.

Actually, this team was also regularly challenging them, even managed to beat them several times when they were run as the factory Joest squad:

 

[Tired Tyres]

Porsche RS Spyder P2 cars used to beat the R8 in the US as well.

 

[Com Fox]

Porsche RS Spyder P2 cars used to beat the R8 in the US as well.

That was the R10 wasn't it? Even still wasn't it due to ACO slowing the LMP1s overall speed in 2007 which actually caused the light P2 cars to be quicker on most of the tracks.