AUTO VS. MAN--Purchasing Cars

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Hey guys! I just thought of an idea while playing the arcade mode in GT3. When you purchase a car, how about having to choose between auto transmission and manual transmission, and have to stick with it for that perticular car, just like in real life (simulation mode only)? I was thinking about it today, and it would add more strategy in the game, and make newbies using auto and switching to manual to buy a new car, or maybe there could be an option in the tune shop for a "new manual transmission" or a "improved auto transmission". Just a suggestion, post your thoughts here.
 
that would only make me buy two cars cause when i have friends over they suck and cant use manual and have to use auto. If they use manual then the race would be TOTALLY boring, its not like its not when they use auto.

Thanks god for online racing, maybe i'll get real competition this time around.

But still its an OK idea, I would most likely turn it off, but some people might like it.
 
Originally posted by Veki
that would only make me buy two cars cause when i have friends over they suck and cant use manual and have to use auto. If they use manual then the race would be TOTALLY boring, its not like its not when they use auto.

Thanks god for online racing, maybe i'll get real competition this time around.

But still its an OK idea, I would most likely turn it off, but some people might like it.
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Note the (only in simulation) I put in my origional post. That means that if a friend came over, they could choose between auto and manual in the Arcade mode, so nobody would complain :lol: :D
 
true, but what if a friend wants to use the car from my garage. Or if they want to race online and want to use car from garage.

but yeah i know what you mean tho.. still it would be neat, but i like to have the choice depending on how much i feel like driving.
 
ive always thought this. its a great idea. it was kinda ridiculous driving a 5 or 6 speed car in an automatic when all it had from the factory was a 4A. this would give an advantage to a standard tranny in a road race which is how it should be, because of the closer gear ratios and the lack of slipping that a torque converter has. awesome idea. so good that i used to only read these forums and now finally registered just to show how much realism this would add to the game. its pretty unrealistic for an auto to run next to a standard tranny in the lower to mid rpm range in identical cars when the auto tranny's TC hasnt locked up yet. autos have much more power loss thru the drivetrain. oh, and one last thing that may have been posted before...if so, oh well, flame all u want....but there should be engine damage for people that misshift or bounce off the rev limiter all the time. or with old cars without rev limiters...engine failure at a critical rpm and need for purchase of a new engine plus labor costs or whatever...downtime also perhaps.
 
manual cars also have diffrent differentials, where by their lower gears accelerate much faster. As well because it has more gears it also gives it usually a greater top speed.
 
noobs + crappy drivers would hate it... but i think this would be an amazing addition to the series... especially for the points cited above. Manual trannies outperform their automatic counterparts and usually come with bigger, better engines, more hp/torque, higher top speed due to higher gears, etc. It would be a great dynamic to the game.

You can keep the option form in arcade mode, but this new idea would be awesome in sim mode.
 
What about SMG, what do you do then???? ;) Just joking. It is a weird situation, though. Mercedes has a 7-speed box for some cars this year. Thats the main reason for manuals being quicker than an auto, the gearing. With only 4 or 5 gears, as opposed to 5 or 6 with most manuals, they are geared much taller, and thus not as quick on acceleration. But, with the 6 (or 7) speed auto-box that a few cars are getting, its just about even really. I like the idea though. If you want the car in an auto, and the auto in that car only has 4 speeds, thats all you get. Until you put the racing trans in, that is.

Hilg
 
What I am trying to say here is that if you buy a car in auto, it STAYS IN AUTO. You would not be able to go into the options and switch from auto to man. Same for manual. It would cause for a difficult situation for some people who are transferring from auto to manual, and for some slow cars at the beginning of the game.

For instance, you start off with a used auto tranny car for 17,953 cr., but the car you want is a manual (same car) but it is 18,102 cr. This is if you get 18,000 to begin with. You will have to suffer the speed loss or win a few more races to buy the manual tranny for another 5,000-8,000 cr. (depending on car). It would make for some definate strategy in the game.
 
I like this idea for simulation mode cars only as has already been said it should be. It would definitely help people lear to use manual if they were usedto auto and then decided to buy a mnaual car. Also it adds to the realism, the only problem is, it might put off people who arn't as into as much realism as possible like some of us.
 
Actually, Automatic transmissions always cost more. Much more in them. Not to mention the fact that the ecu has to be all nice and wired into it these days. Kinda cool that there are so many semi-autos around now/
 
those semi autos everyone is talking about is nothing special. its still an automatic with a slipping torque converter. u just chose when u want to shift it. u shifting the car actually gives slower times than putting it in drive an flooring it (at least when it comes to drag racing). the computer is smarter than u are and knows when to shift for best performance and actually shifts quicker by itself cuz it expects it. now, of course, if ferrari is in the game, their paddle shifting IS a manual transmission with pneumatics and whatnot just like some of their valvetrains.
 
I want a semi auto...

Auto's seem to be heavier by a bit a lot of the time too, having looked at the manuals for a few cars, it lists the manual version as being 20kg lighter most of the time.

I'll have to learn how to drive a manual if that's the case in GT4, something I've put off doing so far.

You need to have an option to buy either and swap it out because otherwise prize cars would be a *****, what would they come in? Do you choose whether you want a manual or automatic prize car? Or because you've been competing in a race they assume you know what you're doing and just give you a manual?
 
Originally posted by jr93alty
those semi autos everyone is talking about is nothing special...if ferrari is in the game, their paddle shifting IS a manual transmission
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Also, don't forget BMW and VW/Audi/Porsche. The SMG and the DSG are both manual transmissions that are just hydraulically controlled. Well, DSG is built as a semi-auto from the start, but the SMG is basically just the standard M 6-speed, just semi-auto. The SMG in the new M5 is supposedly going to be a 7-speed, that should be interesting.

Hilg
 
The Ferrari gearbox in the F2004 changes gear in 20 milliseconds - I'd like to see someone match that in a manual.
 
Yea, I remember reading when the F1 box in the 355 first came out for street use. They said that, even with an ultra-fast shift by a human, the F1 box takes close to half as much time. And, you don't have to worry about miss shifts. AND, it will match-revs on downshifts. I've driven a friends E46 SMG, and it really is cool. I still like to shift myself when driving, but I have no doubt that on a track, not having to think about anything more than flicking a paddle would make you faster. The more time you have to think about the track and not the car, the better.

Hilg
 
Originally posted by Eagle
The Ferrari gearbox in the F2004 changes gear in 20 milliseconds - I'd like to see someone match that in a manual.
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If normal cars had close to no flywheel, it might happen! ... Maybe! :p
 
Thats very cool, I didn't really read about the game version that much yet. As for the real car, I've heard both. That it was going to use a strengthened 6-speed version, and that it was going to use the new 7-speed. I believe the M5 we've seen so far in the game is the Concept version, which, when that car was unveiled, it was shown with the 7-speed. Not sure officially what the real car will have when it comes in a year, who knows. Either way, that car is going to be tip top.

Hilg
 
Originally posted by RoadBeef
If normal cars had close to no flywheel, it might happen! ... Maybe! :p
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I don't think you can physically move the stick faster than a tenth, 2 tenths at best :p
 
Originally posted by Eagle
I'll have to learn how to drive a manual if that's the case in GT4, something I've put off doing so far.

You need to have an option to buy either and swap it out because otherwise prize cars would be a *****, what would they come in? Do you choose whether you want a manual or automatic prize car? Or because you've been competing in a race they assume you know what you're doing and just give you a manual?
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You should learn to drive the stick... i used to drive Auto, then switched and started crushing my PB's... i find that you get greatly improved breaking (by using downshifts to slow the car) and can use the throttle more effectively, can redline in the lower gear, thus keeping your speed maxed for the corner, then hit the apex and shift up... faster corners. Also, the auto's in GT aren't as intelligent as most real car computers, so their shift patterns don't max out the engine's capabilities, like you can with the MT.

For the prize car, perhaps it could be as simple as, you race in a MT you get an MT prize car, AT get an AT.

I also like the idea of the tranny being a part in the tune shop, buy the other tranny type and you can swap them in and out... also as mentioned the additional weight of the auto should also come into play on the car. Should be easy for PD to implement as it's just a # in the physics model, just like lightening the car has a positive effect, auto tranny has a negative one.
 
I think this is a great idea. 👍 👍

ewww, maybe in the tune shop you could buy a F1 paddle shift tranny for your car :eek: That would rock!
 
I don't mind being able to change back and forth between manual and auto, as much as the fact that I wish the automatic function was a true automatic - a torque converter, wandered through the gears, and missing a gear or two
 
Originally posted by Eagle
Can you do that for most cars in real life though?
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If you have enough money you can do anything :D Well, okay, so maybe being able to do that to a Vitz is not realistic, But you should be able to do it on any of the cars that have GT or LM racing versions. I think. They could make it like a 50,000 Cr option. It would be cool though.
 
Auto Tranny in the GT games has always been just the computer changing gear for you... Not a physical Automatic trnsmition where you have different gears and a load more weight...

This is to make it easier for a newcomer to play the game... penalising AT users by making them slower and have crap gear ratios and torque converters would be penalising the beginner even further... thus not introducing newcomers to the game and not expanding the market and it's penetration (Twice in one day!!) which I can therefore not see this happening in any shape or form.

C.
 
^ i disagree with this... yes it is easier for noobs to drive with the AT... but if you really are into cars and car games, then learning MT shouldn't put you off. AT drivers should be "penalized" but that penalty is grounded in reality as MT cars outperform their AT counterparts... thus adding more incentive to learn to drive stick.

If you have ever driven standard for real then the learning curve is very short as you understand the principals of shifting (esp downshifting).

Also, if you look at most of the top players and fastest times most prolly use MT. And that's in the current system, so that alone should encourage you to learn and play the game to the fullest.
 

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