B-spec mode is a waste of disc space

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live4speed
Well he does get better with time as has been confirmed more than once in this thread
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Proof by repeated assertion? Although several people have stated that the AI learns I haven't seen any evidence of it in my (limited) B-Spec tests nor have I seen any empirical evidence from anyone who says the AI driver learns. To prove that it really learns you would need to run B-Spec around the same course a bunch of times and see if it gets faster with each lap. Can someone post some before and after training laptimes?
live4speed
hell if it didn't improve it would be stupid to test settings with it considering how bad it is.
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I don't know that it really matters if he drives a bit poorly for testing, as long as he drives consistently each time. Also my experience with B-Spec was that the AI was able to win races right from the start. The only race the AI lost for me so far was the Subaru 360 manufacturer's race where I sent the AI out in a stock 360 '58, even then he managed to finish 5th which I thought wasn't bad.
 
While i will not be using B-Spec mode that often i understand that you have to use it at some point. From what i have read you gain points by using both A & B spec mode's these point unlock certain tracks/cars Etc... If you don't use B-Spec mode does this mean that you don't unlock certain items or does it just mean they will take longer to unlock using A-spec mode. I don't see why people are starting pointless thread complaining about certai modes, if you don't like it then simply don't use it, there is no point complaining about it.
 
LFRANCOF483
instead of this crap, they could have added more cars (maybe ferrari, or porsche?) or more tracks, maybe a mountain racing mode, or drift mode
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EA owns the license to ferrari, porche and lamborghini, which appentlty ended Dec 2004, unfortunately...GT4 was finished by then.....i know, it sucks...
 
I don’t have the game yet so I haven’t tried it, but to me, B-spec is worse then a waste of disk space, its fully endorsed cheating. Add saves to pit stops and then they could have made B-spec a 100% completion bonus, because that’s the only time I can see myself using it, after I’ve won all races.
 
Famine
:D

I like your style...
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Ever since this thread started I’ve been trying to decide if I wanted to post in it, because I think a lot of people will not like what I said about it, and I’m sure I’m about to get a lot of $Ħ!+.

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To prevent a flame war with anyone that likes B-spec, my opinion is different then yours, that doesn’t mean that I think I’m right and you are wrong it just means we have different opinions.
 
silvergt
EA owns the license to ferrari, porche and lamborghini, which appentlty ended Dec 2004, unfortunately...GT4 was finished by then.....i know, it sucks...
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yea, forgot about that....plus i didnt' know that B-spec mode didn't really take a lot to program.....i actually forgot about this thread hahah

but yeah....i haven't used B-spec mode once, and have unlocked all of the tracks....someone said that PD puts a lot into the replays, and B-spec mode is just like a replay so appreciate or something like that.....but i don't think it's the same.....i like watching replays because i know that i drove the car, i did that sick ass drift, or pass, or whatever
 
bspec is gonna be mighty handy, 2 hour endurance races was bad enough, just happens to be a busy time of year in feb/march and i got loads of coursework to hand in. so i can do my work and progress in the game, brilliant! :D
 
I like the concept of B-Spec, I think that we can learn a lot about racing and strategy from it. And besides, I doubt it would be that big on the actual disc, so anything that went in it's place wouldn't be that significant.

And besides, it adds something new to racing games - who wants another car or track when you can have innovation like this?
 
LFRANCOF483
I've been playing my GT4 for the whole week now, sadly not straight :grumpy:

but I have never even thought of using B-spec....i used it once to try it out, but the AI is so stupid, it takes them forever to catch up, even in level 5.....i have not racked up any points on B-spec mode, and dont really intend to

i think PD really messed up adding this dumb mode

instead of this crap, they could have added more cars (maybe ferrari, or porsche?) or more tracks, maybe a mountain racing mode, or drift mode

photo mode is almost completely useless.......i like the idea of taking pitures of my car, but what's the use when they already set the positions for you.....i was expecting to drive around even if it was a relatveiyl small area of the city and take pictures as i please.......or AT LEASt get to drive the car to the designated spots....all you do is place the car there....how gay 👎

EDIT: just realised a good use for b-spec...doing the endurance races. but that's even reaching......how would you know it's gonna win, and you sitll have to check on the car every once in a while to tell the car to pit in :grumpy:
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I don´t have the game yet, but i won´t play for sure in B SPec mode. I will buy GT4 to play, not to watch CPU to play.

I agree again that they could even had included more cars, tracks, instead of this **** B spec mode. :crazy: :crazy: 👎
 
anyway.... you know things are getting too advanced when the games you buy complete themselves!

the only positive i can see is for those ****ed up 24 hour races

I HAVE A LIFE that doesnt revolve playing video games all day
 
claf-43
anyway.... you know things are getting too advanced when the games you buy complete themselves!

the only positive i can see is for those ****ed up 24 hour races

I HAVE A LIFE that doesnt revolve playing video games all day
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What's to say you can't just pause the game and come back to it later? That's how I got through Final Fantasy VII without a memory card ...
 
B-Spec mode is flawed, but it's isn't a waste of space by far.

Example. I am "playing" GT4 right sitting in my comfy leather chair about 10' from my PS2 with the Sony PS2 remote here next to my laptop, now as I type. Playing through a BS race series (IMO) were I need to use cars I neither like or want to drive on circuits I could care less about. Saves me the trouble of having to suffer through it myself. I would have LOVED B-spec in GT3 for the Test course and Tokyo races, two circuits I loath.

I'm about 15% through GT4 right now and haven't used B-Spec much, my point total in B-Spec is about 1/3 of my A-Spec points, if that much. I've mostly used B-Spec as described above.

In B-Spec you aren't just watching. You can't just walk away and come back and you have won. You need to watch the car, adjust the levels and pass mode accordingly. Some circuits you actually need to work the car through the corners by controlling the levels for a faster lap, especially playing catch up.

Know that most of us playing GT4 right now aren't that far into the game. We are mostly using low HP cars on short races. Not much strategy there other than "push". When we get further into the game with higher powered cars and longer races, having to factor in fuel and tire strategy it will be very interesting and much more useful. I'll reserve my final call on it then.

BTW - I just won my series in B-Spec mode as I typed this message. I dig that.

syclone538
I don’t have the game yet so I haven’t tried it, but to me, B-spec is worse then a waste of disk space, its fully endorsed cheating. Add saves to pit stops and then they could have made B-spec a 100% completion bonus, because that’s the only time I can see myself using it, after I’ve won all races.
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It isn't cheating. No cheating about it. As far as I can tell you can't do the game totally in A-spec OR B-spec. Not all races support B-spec. Plus it seems that my B-spec points are opening up cars and circuits that my A-spec points weren't (I gather from the msgs I get after I finish some races).

Reserve your opinion to utnil you have played GT4. I started it with an open mind in regards to B-spec, didn't quite get it...but now that I've used it it is interesting being the race director. One can't always pretend to me Micheal Schumacher...sometimes Ross Brawn or Jean Todt are fun to play too. There really is an art to race strategy and direction.
 
kensei
Plus it seems that my B-spec points are opening up cars and circuits that my A-spec points weren't (I gather from the msgs I get after I finish some races).
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LOL, if we want to finish the game we have to play B-Spec to get all the stuff!
kensei
...but now that I've used it it is interesting being the race director. One can't always pretend to me Micheal Schumacher...sometimes Ross Brawn or Jean Todt are fun to play too. There really is an art to race strategy and direction.
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That's what I like about it because if we were all Michael Schumacher we'd all be humourless Germans (not that that's a bad thing, but if there wer 6 billion of them it would be going too far ...)
 
veilsidebr
I agree again that they could even had included more cars, tracks, instead of this **** B spec mode. :crazy: :crazy: 👎
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No, they couldn't.
 
Actually, you can just walk away, come back later and have the race won. I started the 24-hour Curcuit de la Sarthe endurance race last night in B-spec. Then went to bed. I'm at work now, when I get home, it'll be almost done. Did the same thing for the 24 Nurb race.

The car pits automatically, so you don't need to worry about tires or fuel, unless you want to. Time progression goes back to normal for every pit, so you can't finish a 24 hour race in 8 hours unless you moniter the race to bump-up the compression after a pit.

I don't like 24 hour races, I don't care much for B-spec, but they do go together well!
 
Just became a member a week ago and this is my 1st post.

Newbie question: how much B-spec points do I need to obtain so my AI-controlled car would be competitive in the endurance races (e.g. 24 hrs)?
 
B-spec points don't count for anything. (A-spec points don't really count for anything either.) Once you've got enough credits, you can buy something nice, but it takes awhile to get credits. Do the 300km race at Grand Valley and you'll win a car that can win the 24-hour endurance races in B-spec no problem.
 
I've read something in these threads that the more B-spec points you have, the better performance the AI exerts on controlling your car thus giving you a chance to win the 24-hour endurance races. Anyone please clear this up?
 
The AI for your car in B-spec does seem to get better over time, but not by huge amounts.
Anyways, the cars you're up against for the 24-hour Nurb race aren't particularily fast. Touring cars, but no race cars. Win the Sauber Mercedes C-9 Race car at Grand Valley 300km, or the Toyota Minolta 88C-V race car '89 at El Capitan 200 miles, and you can win that race easily, even with a relitively untrained AI. Winning that race gets you the F-1 car.

The 24-hour Circuit de la Sarthe has some stiffer competition. I've been using B-spec for the races I don't feel like, and I was able to win with the C-9 by a few laps, but that isn't much over the course of 24 hours, so a completely untrained AI might have a hard time there.
 
Hi all,

I've got a short question regarding the calculation of the game completion rate in B-Spec mode. Usually, when you win a standard single race or championship your completion rate raises around 1%. I finished 3 Endurance Races in B-SPEC mode yesterday and earned a total of 0.5%. This makes 0.1% - 0.2% for each race. Does anyone of you know why this is so low and if it has something to do with the B-Spec mode or my choise of car? Do you remember how many percentages you earned for completing the Endurance races?


Kind regards,

Carsten
 
Toxi
Usually, when you win a standard single race or championship your completion rate raises around 1%.
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Are you sure about that? In GT3 you would usually get 0.2% (every 4th or 5th race you would either get 0.1% or 0.3%)
 
Kensei,

Out of curiosity, what's not to love about R246?

Just the freedom to scream down R246 from Akasaka Mitsuke up through Omote Sando without hitting the stoplights that you would in real life at full throttle is worth the price of the game itself...

kensei
I would have LOVED B-spec in GT3 for the Test course and Tokyo races, two circuits I loath.
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I've heard that the Europian version will MORE difficult, I ust hope it will be DIFFICULT. And I think it will be if you just do the racelines a bit like the AI and not just crashing your way to 1st place (tip this is, no comment or smthing) Same with B-Spec I think/really hope
 
Before I begin, I'd like to welcome Toxi to GTPlanet. Nice to have you here, Carsten. I'm John, nice to meet you. For all other new members with their first post here, my hello to you. Second off, good question. What is NOT to love about Tokyo R246? Tokyo is my favorite city in the world, and the race track is based on an actual bus route in Tokyo, I hear. But for a street course, it's pretty fast. It's a nice blend of technical corners and high-speed sections. To me, it's a just right mix. I just wish I could race Tokyo with the city lights aglow. A night race or a twilight race would be awesome. Or maybe I'm just that kind of guy...

From what I've heard and how I view it, I see B-Spec more as a way to help inexperienced racers try to race as competitively as most of us "A-Spec" veterans. I think the main criticism is that B-Spec Mode is kind of just letting the AI drive for you instead of actually EARNING victories on your own. I think this is more of helping out inexperienced GT racers. But yeah, I'd DEFINATELY use it on boring races or in race series I wouldn't have much of a chance winning. Take every advantage you can. After all, don't you think it's better to have every chance possible to be successful, rather than none at all?

Give it some thought. A little more, anyways.
 
legacyb4
Kensei,

Out of curiosity, what's not to love about R246?

Just the freedom to scream down R246 from Akasaka Mitsuke up through Omote Sando without hitting the stoplights that you would in real life at full throttle is worth the price of the game itself...
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I've just never liked the circuit. I find it tiresome and boring to drive. I loath racing there and always left R246 and the test course races for last in Gt3. Now I've never been to Tokyo so I don't have the real life perspective.

I live in NYC so I feel the same way you feel about R246 about the NYC course in GT4. The ability to scream down those streets is amazing.

Too each their own I guess.
 

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