I know the guy TRULY is like that, and that gives him a bit of integrity from a musical point of view, I just think what he's doing is overdone, childish reactionary behaviour, and possibly less helpful to society than the system he's trying to attack (which I don't agree with either...). Basically, he's just trying to be a rebel, like any rock and roll singer. Its been done better in the past, with music that did it more intelligently.
Aesthetically the guy looks like a gimp,
That's because it gets people to listen to what he's saying, or have them turn a blind eye and start sounding like HATEKOR over there. Durr!!!11
and there isn't very much going on musically (I like more intelligent lyrics/instrumentation).
His instrumentation is a bit plain, but his lyrics are second-to-none.
Thats enough to put me off. If you want to protest against societies problems,
He's not. He's protesting hypocrisy and don't-practice-what-you-preach morals.
there are a zillion bands that did that better and infinately more powerfully
He's not fighting the government, he's fighting a religion. Something much more ignorant to the cause, making it that much more difficult to tackle.
Oh please. I see where your comming from, but these guys are serving nowhere near the same purpose.
Acknowledged.
RATM (another of my favourite bands) are brilliant guys, they really are. But they're not doing the same thing. They're attacking corrupt politics, not lying religions that blind children.
Even Jimi Hendrix (viewed as primarily a guitarist) had some very powerful messages about vietnam (machine gun, star spangled banner), black society's problems in the late 60s (House Burning Down etc - he was angry and sad as **** when Martin Luther King died),
His were much more direct. Manson does a little about war, and talk-show America here and there, but there not very comparable I'm afraid.
but at least he had a positive message
True. But so does Brian: Reality.
, and wanted things to be groovy and fun, unlike Manson who is locked in permanent misery
Not true- Dita von Teese is now his wife and his cat Lilly has also brought him much joy, along with numerous family occasions.
- not a good example or way to get his message out!
Perfect example, you just have to look deeper.
There are musicians that had a vision and talent FAR SURPASSING Mr Manson
Talent, perhaps. Vision? Not likely. Religion has been the worlds #1 cause of war since it was conceived of. He aims to change that.
, to the point that its totally acceptable (even if a little unfair) to see him as an untalented gimp who mainly relies on shock tactics and offensive behaviour to gain attention.
Well duh, what did the other artists do? Different shock tactics- lyrics. Manson has skills, but they just pale in comparison to his blinding image that blows competitors out of the water. His message is harder to understand, about 90% of his lyrics are spoken metaphorically, and groups often take them the wrong way and have a hissy fit.
Mr Manson has zero musical interest or genuine originality
He has lots of musical interest, and some genuine originality. But his message comes first and foremost.
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I don't 'get' it, nor do I want to. I don't think there's much to 'get' really.
If there's not that much, why don't you pick up his book and fly through it then?
anyway lets get back on topic ive given my reasons for my hate, and they cannot be changed, i wanna see someone else post their hates
bob dylan (best lyrics ever)
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