Barrichello to race for Williams in 2010

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I really doubt that will happen - very few rookies, GP2 champ or not, can come into F1 and start annihilating veterans (Lewis Hamilton was one of the exceptions). Hulk may be good, but Barrichello is the number one driver by default until Hulk proves otherwise.

Don't forget that Hamilton has been with Mclaren during his entire racing career, and that the Mclaren he had at hand in 2007 was a brilliant car. It's not as if Hulkenberg suddenly will recieve a 2010 Williams that is absolutely brilliant like the Mclaren was in '07. Because let's face it, since '04 or '05 for that matter, Williams haven't produced anything near a top car. Webber could've done great things with Williams, but the reliability of the Cosworth engine of that year was hopeless.
 
Webber could've done great things with Williams, but the reliability of the Cosworth engine of that year was hopeless.

Which made me wonder - if Toyota is out of F1, who will supply Williams with engines next year?
 
Which made me wonder - if Toyota is out of F1, who will supply Williams with engines next year?
They've already been signed up for Cosworth. And before you decry it as a repeat of 2006, there are three things to remember: 1) the CA2006 engine wasn't wholly to blame - the Williams chassis as the time was something of an engine-breaker; 2) Williams made the switch after apparently being impressed by dyno tests - some estimates put the brand-new Cosworth as produing 15bhp more than the Mercedes; 3) the 2010 Cosworth won't be based on the CA2006.
 
They've already been signed up for Cosworth. And before you decry it as a repeat of 2006, there are three things to remember: 1) the CA2006 engine wasn't wholly to blame - the Williams chassis as the time was something of an engine-breaker; 2) Williams made the switch after apparently being impressed by dyno tests - some estimates put the brand-new Cosworth as produing 15bhp more than the Mercedes; 3) the 2010 Cosworth won't be based on the CA2006.

I wasn't about to... :sly: Figures they would go Cosworth. All four of the new teams are, and all the other manufacturers are fully booked on engines. Which just made me think of another question... would Cosworth supply Red Bull if Renault leaves?
 
Don't make me look like a complete idiot, but. If Mercedes has a more powerful engine, why can't everyone else make a more powerful one too instead of sitting around watching them disappear into the distance?
 
AFAIK the engine builder/team must apply to allow a modification for reliability, and reliability only...although as we know there is power to be had depending on the reliability modification done. Their request is peer reviewed by all the other teams for their consent and then and only then will the FIA allow the mod to be used. So as you could imagine, it's probably not exactly easy to come up with solution that would pass through, unless you're really having reliability issues with the engine, like BMW (who supposedly had one of the stronger engines at Abu Dhabi after doing some reliability mods I believe) and Renault did.

I'd imagine finding that bit of power the other engines are missing would be quite difficult and expensive to achieve as well. The MB unit seems to have the most usable powerband, but peak hp has said to have been pretty damn similar across the board. Their was even talk about the Mobil1 fluids used in the MB unit to be one aspect of their overall power advantage...but for most outsiders and even engines designers themselves, it is a bit of a mysterious and mostly speculation :lol:
 
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Don't make me look like a complete idiot, but. If Mercedes has a more powerful engine, why can't everyone else make a more powerful one too instead of sitting around watching them disappear into the distance?
The engine freeze. Regulations dictate the basic parameters to which an engine must be built, but there's still plenty of room for them to develop the engine as their own; otherwise, they'd just be spec engines. Renault and Ferrari and Cosworth can't simply build a more powerful engine because enigne development is banned. The FIA have lifted the restrictions to anyone who chooses to modify their engines, but they may only do so the the capacity of the Renault engine, which ha sbeen decided as the benchmark.
 
Out of curiosity, what are the limits to the level of modification that can be condcuted on the engines? I know the Renault is the Benchmark, but is there a list of what the engine manufacturers can change?
 
Out of curiosity, what are the limits to the level of modification that can be condcuted on the engines? I know the Renault is the Benchmark, but is there a list of what the engine manufacturers can change?
There is a list of what can be changed, but I don't know of anywhere you could obtain it from. I think it mostly has to do with the basic dimensions and the materials used - McLaren used to beryllium, which has since been banned - but the FIA admit that it is impossible to regulate.
 
So Renault's the benchmark now, but if they leave, who would replace them as the benchmark? And if they leave, who would supply Red Bull? Cosworth?
 
So Renault's the benchmark now, but if they leave, who would replace them as the benchmark? And if they leave, who would supply Red Bull? Cosworth?
Renault don't just supply Red Bull - they also support GP2 and the World Series by Renault. I think it would be very difficult or Renault to justify pulling out of Formula One without pulling out of the others, because neither GP2 nor the WSR offer much in the way of brand exposure the way Formula One does. And pulling out of two of the premier feeder series in December would be very, very bad, particularly since the entire grid of both series is dependent upon Renault. So if Renault do withdraw, I think they'll stay on as engine suppliers.

Because BMW didn't sign the Concorde Agreement and Sauber had to wait to see if someone departed from Formula One to join, there has been the suggestion that FOTA has blocked the sale of the new teams so long as Sauber is off the grid. This is designed to stop the new teams selling their racing licence on to someone else and Sauber missing out on the grid; if they decide to go, they go entirely. They can't pass the baton on (Manor and Virgin is an exception because Virgin is believed to be buying into the team - they're not buying it outright) until such time as Sauber re-join the grid. It's possible this applies to all teams. Now that Toyota have gone, it paves the way for Sauber to start up again. However, there are still legal issues revolving around the withdrawal because Toyota signed the Concorde Agreement (I expect the team were told to assume they would continue racing until informed otherwise), and Sauber won't be offered the grid position until that is cleared up. And that is why I think Renault are waiting until until December: they want to see what becomes of Sauber first. However, by the time December comes around, teams like Red Bull will be well into development of their chassis, and the engine is a major part of it. As Brawn showed, you can't just take one engine out and put another in. You have to redesign the chassis. Given the complexity of some of Adrian Newey's designs - particularly at the rear end - that's a tall order. So unless he's desinging two variants of the RB6, one for the Renault and one for a Coswroth, I can't see Renault backing out entirely. The team has become very strong, and they would give Renault maximum exposure in 2010. It's in Renault's interests to supply Red Bull, even if they back out.

If Renault go, I don't think they'll be gone entirely. They'll sell the team and stay on as engine suppliers, at leat for next season. Sorry it took me so long to get this this point, the part where I actually answer your question: even if Renault back out entirely, their engine will still be considered the benchmark. Engine equilisation takes time for th manufacturers; they need to reconfigure a lot. If Renault go in December, that will leave two months until the beginning of the season (not counting shakedown and testing). There won't be enough time to equilise the engines with another engine as the benchmark.
 
I forgot that Renault also supplies other series, but those are completely different engines. Anyway, we don't have confirmation that Renault is leaving...
 
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