Battles at 10,000rpm! AKA: Thread for N/A machines only!

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To be perfectly honest, I'm not a fan of forced induction. I especially do not like turbochargers. I've owned a turbo car, and it was never much fun.

Superchargers are slightly better, but they tend to heat up rather quickly and they make a strange noise. Music to some, but I prefer induction bark.

So obviously I am most drawn to normally aspirated machines. I love the 'art' of tuning an n/a engine. A musical instrument is essentially the result, with hours and hours of harmonic tuning and millimeter precise induction and exhaust tubing lengths, diameters and thicknesses.

I drive an RX7 with an N/A 13b (first gen) and I love the resonance you can hear at the top of the rev band as the engine reaches its most efficient, and powerful, point. There is never any sudden pull or delay in power. It is just smooth and deliciously responsive, echoing any movement of my foot on the rev-counter precisely. An n/a machine has to rely on balance, rather than pure grunt, so everything seems so much more precisely engineered resulting in typically great drivers cars.

In GT5 there are a number of cars that match this persona quite well. My favorite N/A machines to rag on include my NSX-R (10,000rpm) my RX8's (one stock, one fully tuned, 10,500rpm) my AE86 SS (10,200rpm) and my RSX type S/Integra Type R (9,500rpm) I'm not home, nor will I be for several weeks, so I can't exactly post pictures.

Who else loves the N/A cars, whether in real life or in GT5?

Some additional videos that might be enjoyable.
Battle at 10,000rpm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MgN_vvneOk

787B test (take note of how it SHOULD sound, not like how it does in GT5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox2wgHqrNy0
 
I currently drive a 06 Interga Type S (JDM Model) and have to say i love the performance i get out of it although I have owned a plethora of turbocharged cars in the past and had lots of fun in those, Love the feeling of Boost comming on and the noise of the turbocharger spooling & the blow of valve dumping air staright to atmosphere has to be one of the best sounds in the world.

The one main thing i give to N/A cars over there turbocharged counterparts is reliability, inevitably a modified turbocharged car ends up becoming a money pit so unless your dedicated to maintaining it perfectly i wuldnt go down that path.

Will also admitt that Most Hi-Po N/A cars have awesome responsivness.
 
I don't really care much about aspiration too much. My two most favorite cars to drive (Ferrari F40 & NSX-R) come with different aspiration types.

Ofcourse, my opinion would probably shift once I actually get a real car:dopey:
 
I love your enthusiasm for engine accoustics. I enjoy the deep throaty exhaust note from a belching big block V8 and i enjoy the GT40's in the game. Alot of stock exhausts in this game sound amazing and i apprciate the pashion for sound you guys have.
 
It doesn't rev to 10k (redline is at 9k) nor have 4 wheels, but I love the NA qualities of my Ducati. Having a hair trigger on some very controllable low RPM torque is always nice at stoplights.

I've also got a WRX with a bit of work on it and definitely appreciate having a turbo machine as well.
 
I like N/A tuning both in real life and in GT5 and i hate turbos.

Making a good engine even better is the best way to tune rather than just slapping on a turbo.
 
I agree 100% with you cosmo.
The high pitch exhaust sound, the engine response and the art of N/A tuning. I just love it.
The sudden pulls exists in a couple type of engines the VTEC and the VVTL-i. I have only experienced the VVTL-i pull in the 2ZZ-GE corolla after ~6,500rpm and that was a lot of fun!
These variable valve timing systems are just in the new N/A engines. The older ones are really without sudden pulls and the power just increases the higher your engine is revving.

I'd like to share some videos of these N/A machines:

13B SA22C (320ps) and 20B FC3S (420ps!)

RE Amemiya 13B SA22C and EST Fukuyama 20B Cosmo ;)

TRD N2 AE86 (I recommend to watch all the 1-8 AE86 Club series!)

5 different AE86's passing by. The third one sounds supercharged.

Some crazy guy flooring his 2ZZ-GE MR-S

Ayrton Senna and (i dont remember the other guys name) flooring the B16A Civic/CRX. A really old school video!

A battle at 10,000rpm in GT5 would be fun!
 
Is there a list of cars that we can buy on GT5 that will go above 9,000rpm and NA? I have been keeping an eye out. Mostly just reading the descriptions in the UCD if I see one of the few engines I know that vvti/vtec/lift/mtec(?)mivec I will buy it.

Its a real shame we cant get more front downfore on some of the preium cars that rev highly.
 
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Is there a list of cars that we can buy on GT5 that will go above 9,000rpm and NA? I have been keeping an eye out. Mostly just reading the descriptions in the UCD if I see one of the few engines I know that vvti/vtec/lift/mtec(?)mivec I will buy it.

Its a real shame we cant get more front downfore on some of the preium cars that rev highly.

If you don't already have it, buy the Spoon Civic Type-R (EK). It revs to a mind blowing 12.000 RPM! Then there's the Caterham Fireblade which has a bike engine.
 
I do enjoy the sound of a naturally aspirated car. The Mclaren F1 is my prime choice, quite disapointed they went for a turbo engine on the new MP4-12c but i suppose it makes sense economically.
 
The NA V12 on the FXX is the engine sound for me:drool:


Although the twin-turbo V12 on the Edonis also sounds really nice in it's own way;) Can't tell whether it's a car or an aircraft though:mischievous:



Although I usually hate I4's, this Vtec still gives me goosebumps:nervous:
 
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If you don't already have it, buy the Spoon Civic Type-R (EK). It revs to a mind blowing 12.000 RPM! Then there's the Caterham Fireblade which has a bike engine.

I have both, also the spoon S2000 revs up to 11,000ish from memory.

I will try and make a list of the cars I have that fit the bill, and then others could add too it I guess :)
 
I like NA tuning, but the three-stage engine tuning menu is so limited. You don't get much in the way of gains or control over your powerband. It would be nice to see the parts split up and given their own stages of upgrades.
 
I think it is very humorous that the engine tuning options on the rotaries all tend to indicate that headwork is being done and cams are being swapped. This wasn't the case (IIRC) in GT4. The loping idle of the RE Amemiya RX7 and the 787B are to die for. :)

Before I had my RX7 I had a 94 Civic DX. I'll tell ya, the suspension and brakes were absolute crap, but it had a JDM market B16A (sir II engine) and that engine was absolutely magic. 9,000rpm all day long and foot-on-detonator throttle response. I miss that car. The RX7 is way better in general, but my stock port 13b cannot approach that 1.6 vtec. Bridgeport coming soon.....:)
 
I agree 100% with you cosmo.
The high pitch exhaust sound, the engine response and the art of N/A tuning. I just love it.
The sudden pulls exists in a couple type of engines the VTEC and the VVTL-i. I have only experienced the VVTL-i pull in the 2ZZ-GE corolla after ~6,500rpm and that was a lot of fun!
These variable valve timing systems are just in the new N/A engines. The older ones are really without sudden pulls and the power just increases the higher your engine is revving.

I'd like to share some videos of these N/A machines:

13B SA22C (320ps) and 20B FC3S (420ps!)

RE Amemiya 13B SA22C and EST Fukuyama 20B Cosmo ;)

TRD N2 AE86 (I recommend to watch all the 1-8 AE86 Club series!)

5 different AE86's passing by. The third one sounds supercharged.

Some crazy guy flooring his 2ZZ-GE MR-S

Ayrton Senna and (i dont remember the other guys name) flooring the B16A Civic/CRX. A really old school video!

A battle at 10,000rpm in GT5 would be fun!

Couple more:

Bridgeport 12a giving it hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wazGzisCObM

That same EST Cosmo at Suzuka (LISTEN TO THE SOUND :nervous:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abPNmJBwhd4

RX3 at Targa Tasmania (look closely, full 10,000rpm on the tacho!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdl05-0Ff5I

Some non-rotaries:
Porsche GT3 RS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9i7vQWgv7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRvcobW-LN4

NSX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANX1-0VBpMw

Ferrari 512TR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix48EIsSOwQ


For me, any tuned rotary sounds good, whether it be 2, 3, or 4 rotors. For piston engines, I like the sounds of 6 cylinder (whether it be V, H or I configuration) and 12 cylinder engines (H or V do nicely) I-4's V8's, and V10's don't do that much for me. I-5 is pretty cool though.
 
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I love your enthusiasm for engine accoustics. I enjoy the deep throaty exhaust note from a belching big block V8 and i enjoy the GT40's in the game. Alot of stock exhausts in this game sound amazing and i apprciate the pashion for sound you guys have.

Me two :D
 
I'm not a fan of forced induction.

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Anyway, I have several S2000s that I enjoy driving. There's nothing quite like the power delivery of an N/A revving all the way to 10,500rpm.
 
i have a little nitro powered 2 stroke RC car that is N/A and revs up to around 30,000+ RPM. If my memory serves me well i think the original spec on the engine was 36,000 but i doubt it gets up there anymore. i think the engine is 3.3 cc
 
I would hope PD could put some N2 AE86s and Cusco AE86 Drift Car (Ueo's) in GT series, really like how they sound like while revving at 10k+ rpm.
I am not complaining anything. Yes, they are slow and old, but I think it is a shame that they didn't get a chance to be highlighted for such a legendary car(tuned AE86s) in GT series.
 

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