Best Car For A 16 Year Old?

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You seem to be of the opinion that I am still young. I already stated that experience is incredibly important. I merely stated that talent was a factor. There are many factors you are not considering in your appraisal that all young drivers are bad drivers. For instance, where you live. Growing up in an urban area, if you want to avoid an accident you are FORCED to be more cautious and focus more than someone growing up in a small town or a rural area simply because there are more cars on the road. Focus is incredibly important, but I've got news for you, there are just as many adults out there (if not more) who are multitasking while they're driving as there are teenagers.

I'm not saying that adults are good drivers. Just that < 4 years experience = inexperienced.... and experience is a critical component of driving.

It seems to be a rather arrogant statement to assume that EVERYONE on this forum was a bad driver when they had been driving for less than 4 years. I'm not saying I was a fantastic driver at that time, but I sure was better than some drivers who've been practicing bad driving habits for decades.

I'm sure you were. So was I. Don't get me wrong, people live their entire lives driving like morons. What I am saying is that if you've been driving less than 4 years, you are not a good driver and you need to behave accordingly.

No and you'll see that I did not say that I was a better driver than ALL 20 year olds. Thus I was never saying that all 20 year olds attend university.

No, you said most. And I said most do not go to a university.
 
The biggest bit that most people don't seem to consider is, regardless of how skill you maybe behind the wheel, the number of incredibly poor drivers is amazing. That is where most newly licensed people struggle, regardless of age - dealing with other drivers and how to anticipate what they are going to do.

As for a good first car, I'd suggest a Toyota Tercel. Cheap to run, bullet proof, fun in the "it weighs under 2000 pounds" way, and cheap to buy and insure. Oh, and some 30 to 40mpg regardless of how angry you drive it.
 
I'm not saying that adults are good drivers. Just that < 4 years experience = inexperienced.... and experience is a critical component of driving.
I totally agree, again, I never said it wasn't. But when do you consider someone "experienced" then? Is there some magic number of years? I think it depends of amount of time on the road. Thus, if you drive an exorbitant amount of time you can easily be a good driver in a period of 4 years.

I'm sure you were. So was I. Don't get me wrong, people live their entire lives driving like morons. What I am saying is that if you've been driving less than 4 years, you are not a good driver and you need to behave accordingly.
Nicely integrated ;) In my opinion, being a good driver is dependent on how you behave. If you are not experienced, you should drive more cautiously. If you do that, you are a good driver because you are concerned about your own and others' safety.

No, you said most. And I said most do not go to a university.

Fair point, my mistake. 👍
 
To throw in my 2 cents, I'm 16, and in Ontario you can get your G1 at 16. With a G1 you can only drive with a fully licensed driver with 5 years experience in the passenger seat, and as many passengers as there are seatbelts. You can't drive between midnight and 5AM, can't drive on major 400-series highways (100 km/h) unless with a driving instructor, and of course BAC of 0. After 12 months (8 if you take Driver's ed), you do a road test, and if you pass you get your G2, which means you can drive alone, and on all roads in Ontario. There's still restrictions* to how many teenagers between 12 and 5AM (so you can't take 6 drunk kids home from a party in a van and flip it), and BAC of 0, but you're an almost fully licensed driver.

As for me, I took driver's ed so I'm going to get my G2 on June 7th, and I consider myself to be a responsible driver. I don't take dangerous risks, don't speed excessively, and I don't drive aggressively. However, by virtue of my (lack of) experience, I know I'm not a good driver. I think the most important thing for a new driver to be is a responsible driver, drive safely, don't be aggressive, and follow the laws. You've only been driving for a few months, so you don't have enough experience to really be a good driver. However, if you drive responsibly you're more likely to be a good driver as you gain experience.

As you gain more experience driving, that's when you become a good driver. If you're responsible and don't drive like an idiot when you're 16, you're going to be a good, responsible driver at 30. However, if you drive like a moron and drive daddy's truck like a maniac at 16, you're going to be the asshole driver at 30. The ones that cut you off, speed excessively, and drive dangerously always drove dangerously right from the start. If you drive dangerously at 16, odds are you're going to always be a dangerous driver.

I think as a new driver, the most important thing for me to do is to focus on driving safely, and not wrapping my car around a tree. That's why I'm glad that I'm driving a Toyota Corolla. It's the perfect starter car for me, efficient, big enough to carry my hockey equipment, seats 5 (4 comfortably), it's not overly expensive, it's reliable, and it's powerful enough that I can pass and merge safely, but not fast enough to get myself into trouble. Statistically speaking, I'm likely to have a car accident. My goal is to not have one, but statistically I will.

Sure, I'd love to have my mom's new '11 VW Golf TDi, but the temptation to be a moron with the amount of torque in that car is too high, and the risk of totalling a brand new car is too much financially, compared to an '03 Corolla. I think the biggest thing us new drivers need to realize, is that even if you're the best teenage driver to walk the earth, odds are you suck. Compared to the average adult driver with >10 years experience, you're an awful driver, and that's OK. All it means is you shouldn't be driving a car that's too powerful for your needs, and should try to be extra cautious. The experience and skill will come in time, and the most important thing is to be as safe as you can be.

On the topic of good first cars, if I didn't have the Corolla, I'd be looking at pretty much any used 4 cylinder sedan/hatchback. Cavalier, Cobalt, Corolla, Matrix, Vibe, Golf (older) Camry, Accord, Neon, Jetta, Focus, etc etc. Powerful enough to be safe, but not fast enough to be dangerous. Of course, reliability is a concern, so I'd be more apt to go with a more reputable manufacturer.


*First 6 months of G2= you, and one teenage passenger maximum between midnight and 5AM, last 6 months= maximum of 3 teen passengers. These regulations don't apply to immediate family members, or if you have a fully licensed driver with 5 years experience in the passenger seat.
 
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Diesel is more expensive here in America.

The one person I know that's owned a Sunfire has had problems with just about everything about it.

At this moment, diesel is within a few cents of regular here. And the Jetta gets 40mpg minimum, easily doing 50mpg. You'd still come out ahead even if the fuel would cost another $5 per tank.

My first car was a 99 Grand Am GT. The V6 definitely had enough power to get you into trouble, but I've never had the need to blast around at 100mph all the time (in fact, I think I maybe hit triple digits twice in that car and only when it seemed safe to do it). Otherwise, pretty nice daily driver. Easy to drive, comfortable, ok mileage (low 20s if you didn't drive on the highway much though). If it weren't for the engine problems it had (blowing intake gaskets happens to all of the 3400 V6s, and later it blew head gaskets), I'd recommend one.

Some basic requirements for a first car should be: reliable, four cylinder (under 170hp), 25+mpg, four seats, at least two airbags, and probably an automatic. Why automatic? At sixteen you should be worried more about paying attention outside of the car and not having to think about what gear you're in. Deciding if you need to shift, looking at the tachometer to decide if you need to shift, or having the risk of mis-shifting and breaking something or making another driving error from the distraction of a bad gear change aren't things a new driver should be worried about.
 
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If you want a new car, a 2011 Subaru Impreza would be a good choice for about $150 a month. I'm not talking about the WRX. If you want to buy it, not lease it, it only costs about $18,000.
 
The biggest bit that most people don't seem to consider is, regardless of how skill you maybe behind the wheel, the number of incredibly poor drivers is amazing. That is where most newly licensed people struggle, regardless of age - dealing with other drivers and how to anticipate what they are going to do.
Plus, the typical new/young driver spends most of his time with other new/young drivers.
 
If you want a new car, a 2011 Subaru Impreza would be a good choice for about $150 a month. I'm not talking about the WRX. If you want to buy it, not lease it, it only costs about $18,000.

$150/mo for ten years with no interest?
 
Eric.
Some basic requirements for a first car should be: reliable, four cylinder (under 170hp), 25+mpg, four seats, at least two airbags, and probably an automatic. Why automatic? At sixteen you should be worried more about paying attention outside of the car and not having to think about what gear you're in. Deciding if you need to shift, looking at the tachometer to decide if you need to shift, or having the risk of mis-shifting and breaking something or making another driving error from the distraction of a bad gear change aren't things a new driver should be worried about.

170bhp is far to much, try 75-100 max for first car. And I disagree with the auto, manual is the best way to learn. Helps to understand how to drive properly. By the time you pass your test, you should know how and when to change gear, otherwise you shouldn't have passed.

You don't need to look at the revs to know when to shift. You shouldn't be anywhere near the redline and if you are, you can hear it.
 
This is me, not other people. The only time I get temptation to drive fast is with a car that is not very fast, since I feel too confortable with it and get tempted to push it. However, if I am driving a car with more potential to get me into trouble I respect it much more, it makes me sort of afraid in a way, so I would probably not get into trouble with a car that should get me into trouble.
 
170bhp is far to much, try 75-100 max for first car. And I disagree with the auto, manual is the best way to learn. Helps to understand how to drive properly. By the time you pass your test, you should know how and when to change gear, otherwise you shouldn't have passed.

You don't need to look at the revs to know when to shift. You shouldn't be anywhere near the redline and if you are, you can hear it.

75-100 doesn't really work here in the US. First of all, you can't really find one lol
 
If you look back in the '80s, you can find 'em...

Still, nothing with more than 150 for a starter car. 110-120 is ideal.
 
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This is me, not other people. The only time I get temptation to drive fast is with a car that is not very fast, since I feel too confortable with it and get tempted to push it. However, if I am driving a car with more potential to get me into trouble I respect it much more, it makes me sort of afraid in a way, so I would probably not get into trouble with a car that should get me into trouble.

But what if you get more confident with the power? Still not experienced enough to handle it, but cocky enough to try. Not you personally maybe, but far too many youngsters are.

My first car had 68bhp (Skoda Fabia 1.4 Mpi) was plenty fast enough for me. Could break every speed limit, as will any car, meaning it has the potential to be too fast.

Come to think of it, it was a perfect first car for me. Sturdy, reliable, spacious but small, economical (45 MPG) and no modifications except for a cheapo cd player to replace the broken cassette deck. It was easy to drive too and the visibility was great.
 
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If you look back in the '80s, you can find 'em...

Still, nothing with more than 150 for a starter car. 110-120 is ideal.

My current has 120bhp. In the UK this is a respectable output. Far to much for a first car though, 0-60 in 10secs is quick enough for most experienced driver on our smaller, more twisty roads.

Most cars (hatchbacks) are around 100-150 round here for general everyday motoring. Having said that, we focus more on economy these days and buy smaller, lighter cars than the US. I noticed that VW still sold 2.3 V5 and 2.5 V6 petrol engines in the US until recently (maybe they still do?), where we got smaller turbo's with more power but are lighter and more economical, starting with the 1.8T and now the 1.2 (up to 105bhp) and 1.4TSI (up to 180bhp). I don't think they sell larger than 2.0 petrol (up to 270bhp) anymore. But that is another story all together.

I suppose this highlights the difference in our car cultures.

Edit: the Pheaton, Passat CC and Toureg still use larger petrols in the UK, but not the day to day VWs (Fox, Polo, Golf, Passat, Touran, Tiguan or Sharan).
 
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At ~2400lbs, my MR2 is quick enough with whatever remains of its 112hp. But around the same power in a car 3000lbs or heavier isn't going to move too quickly. Frankly, anything with under 120hp is probably getting pretty old also. A new Civic has 140hp and weighs from 2700 to 3000lbs. Apart from it being new and 'too nice" for a 16 year old, I would otherwise say its a perfect beginner car. Same for a Corolla, Focus, or any other car in that class. Just think older and cheaper and you have a better car for a beginner driver.

I do understand the point of a manual making someone pay more attention, but its also adding more controls that could overwhelm a new driver in certain situations.
 
Wow. Awesome outlook sir. You are to be commended.
👍

Most adults I say that to tell me something similar. My friends (with the exception of one) just call me a pansy :p
 
1995-2001 nissan maxima. 190-227hp in a 3000-3200lb package. Cheap to buy, cheap to own. Doesn't attract attention. Manuals are rare but god fun.
 
Most adults I say that to tell me something similar. My friends (with the exception of one) just call me a pansy :p

My friends (using that term lightly) call me gay for not driving a lifted 90s Chevy. Don't give a 🤬.
 
My friends (using that term lightly) call me gay for not driving a lifted 90s Chevy. Don't give a 🤬.

Similar here. Friend of mine thinks all Imports are garbage and that the only cars worth buying are American pickup trucks.

He was raving about his mom's Silverado's Diesel the other day, and I brought up the new VW Golf TDi my mom bought. "German cars are OK I guess but American cars are always better".

:lol:

He called me a wuss for driving a Toyota.
 
Noob616 has made a really good point, as well as others stating that not all 16 year old's crash. I'm 21 now, and yet to be involved in a car accident.

Anyways, from my point of view, you don't need your own car right now. The best car of choice is whatever your parents will let you drive.

If you're trying to look cool with a car, and this is from my experience, the only people you'll really impress are; a) your guy friends; b) girls who know about cars; and c) girls who like you only for your car since it may mean you have money (they could very well just be after a ride regardless of what car you drive)

Not trying to be a guru or something, but at your age, if you're thinking about tuning a car, it takes a lot of time and money - something that may not be available right now. And you'll have fun with any car when you start out with. It'll get you from A to B considerably faster than public transit or walking, and you'll have a lot of fun memories.

But if you really insist on owning your own car still, the 90's Honda's are usually cheap and readily available (eg. CRX, Integra, Civic). Fairly fuel efficient, sporty, and fun to drive (although they maybe FWD, they'll get you through all types of weather much better).

However, finding one that is accident free, unmolested, or in good enough working condition not to give you a headache and a higher maintenance fee than the actual cost of the car might be tough.

Saving money could be the best idea because something new, exciting, and better is always lurking around the corner that may catch your eye such as the Ford Fiesta ST, or Mazdaspeed2.

So again, sticking to whatever your parents will let you drive is best.

PS. When I was sixteen, I was looking at cars such as R32, FD3S, SW20, etc. When I look back on it, I think it was the best decision I made to save my money and get something more modern instead of something that won't be able to get enough TLC from me.
 
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It's not always about a young driver actively driving like a moron... it's also about presence of mind.

Years of experience, including the random fender bender, being rammed from behind by inattentive motorists or sideswiped across intersections by idiots beating a red light molds you.

When I was young, I didn't meticulously adjust my rear-view mirrors every time I got in a new car.

I didn't wait to let the truck beside me go first when crossing an intersection. That Jalopnik video where a lady and her kid stepped out in front of an SUV at an intersection where the driver was cleared of recklessness? Totally the driver's fault, even if it legally wasn't. If you have a big vehicles stopped beside you, wait and see if anything is coming around it before pulling out.

I didn't leave space between myself and the car in front of me at a stop... just in case I got rear-ended or needed an escape route.

I would never have known how to deal with a dead clutch (rev-matching), dead brakes, a high-speed flat or a spin.

I didn't have that sixth sense that told me when that driver in front of me was going to wash out or that a gaggle of gesse might be crossing the road around a sharp bend.

There's dozens of little habits you pick up over the years that make you a better driver. It's not something that you can develop in just one or two years... not unless you drive for a living.
 
Many of those things you can partly pick up as a passenger. I have a few habits already developed by obsserving other drivers as a passenger. Possible things such as people turning fron the right lane (in this case used to go straight or right) to the left or people not obeying the correct order at a 4 stop. Also things like always looking when the green light comes on for people that pass on the red light. Habits such as stopping a few feet behind a car at an intersection can be easily obtained. Actually, I have driven probably a handfull of times since I recently got my learner's permit and I already leave distance between me and the person in front of me. I agree with that experience is important, but I also think that it can be acquired quite fast. In my opinion a slow first car is not needed for much time. What I say is that for the first few months drive your parents' cars and then get your own car once you think you have developed good driving habits and are a responsible enough driver.
 
What Niky said is exactly what I meant. Of course, there's teenagers that drive like idiots (and are idiots), and that's why those drivers total their cars and get in accidents. I consider myself to be a responsible driver, because I drive defensively and safely, to the best of my ability. Thing is, there's not that much ability to work with. As you alluded to, I simply don't have the experience, I don't have that sixth sense to predict what other drivers are doing.


The best thing for a teenage driver to do, is recognize that you suck, not because you're doomed to be a bad driver, but because you've only been at it for a few months. Most people I know who've had fender benders are responsible, but the accidents still occur. Teens are statistically almost guaranteed to be in an accident. Some of those can be chalked up to speeding, or being aggressive. Most of them simply happen because you don't know how to react to situations as they happen.

As I said earlier, the 16 year old kid who pays attention in driver's ed, drives carefully, doesn't speed excessively or otherwise drive erraticaly will at some point become a very good driver. The safe mindset is there, and experience and skill will come in time. The 16 year old kid who speeds, drives agressively, and thinks he's a fantastic driver already, might never end up being a good driver. They have a dangerous mindset towards driving from the start, and as they get older and more experienced, they won't necessarily be any safer. No amount of skill and experience can make a dangerous driving mindset safer than a responsible, safe one.
 
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It's not always about a young driver actively driving like a moron... it's also about presence of mind.
One trait I notice in a lot of drivers--young, middle, and old--is that they have no clue what is going on around them. A sea of brakelights ahead on the road surprises them...they change lanes and jerk back to the right because they didn't see a car along side of them. As my dad taught me: "Stay away from idiots...and everyone is an idiot". Concise advice, but it's a good mantra. Knowing where people are, how fast they're going, what they're likely to do, and keeping space around you goes a long way towards avoiding accidents. What is that "idiot" ahead of me going to do? Probably the most stupid thing he can...that's what I'll assume...Now, if he does that stupid thing, what will I do? Do I have an escape route? This is the kind of skill that can't be learned in a day, month, or year. It takes a lot of time on the road in real situations.

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Many of those things you can partly pick up as a passenger. I have a few habits already developed by observing other drivers as a passenger.
This is underestimated. Young children are now buried in their DVD's, video games, and iPods. I spent most of my childhood staring out the window of the car. Lo and behold, when I finally got my license, I actually knew how to get to places, whereas some of my friends would get lost and panicked. There's no substitute for being behind the wheel, but as you say, observing other cars when you're a passenger begins to develop the skill I mentioned above.
 
For all of you's going out with trucks, a 16 year old wants a car to at least look a little cool in. He doesn't want to look like a hill billy, you want something that can attract girls and your parents will be alright with it.
1) A 16 year old shouldn't be given any kind of car he thinks he can look cool in. Just gives them ideas....

2) Around here, that's the opposite. Spoiled kids either love getting new Mustangs/Camaros or pickups to look cool in.
It is NOT a fact that all beginner drivers are bad drivers. Driving skill, like any other skill, is determined by THREE factors - talent, practice AND time. The day I got my permit, I made my parents let me drive EVERYWHERE. And if we had nowhere to go, I'd make my mom take me to the parking lot and let me practice.
And unfortunately for 99% of teens, they do not have the natural talent, aren't willing to actually practice, nor take any time to wait until they can actually push a car.
 
Honestly, i would say Civic or a Prelude, there good on gas and from all my friends experiences with them, you can put a bullet in the motor and they will still run. haha

A lot of the above posts i agree with, and when i started to first drive i had the luck of living way out in the country where i could practice shifting and cornering correctly and just becoming better at driving in general. There is even a big parking lot where a boat ramp is where i can just slide around and have no worries when its raining, but i have a VLSD so its pretty sloppy haha

Some accidents are going to happen because that's just what they are, an "ACCIDENT". Hopefully your not in the right place at the wrong time and end up on the local news or cause a traffic jam... or both.

Good drivers are usually responsible people, you have to be responsible to drive, especially if you have passengers or are in densely populated area. Some people dont understand that vehicles are very dangerous because they have either never been a in a crash or have never actually seen a crash and its aftermath. Hopefully you take Driver Ed., not only does it lower your insurance, but it helps you learn the rules of the road.

The majority of skills for driving are acquired by gaining experience over the years, and also the older you get the better you become at making choices, this is actually based on fact too, the human brain isn't fully developed until around 25, more or less. lol
 
Noob616 has made a really good point, as well as others stating that not all 16 year old's crash. I'm 21 now, and yet to be involved in a car accident.

Anyways, from my point of view, you don't need your own car right now. The best car of choice is whatever your parents will let you drive.

If you're trying to look cool with a car, and this is from my experience, the only people you'll really impress are; a) your guy friends; b) girls who know about cars; and c) girls who like you only for your car since it may mean you have money (they could very well just be after a ride regardless of what car you drive)

Not trying to be a guru or something, but at your age, if you're thinking about tuning a car, it takes a lot of time and money - something that may not be available right now. And you'll have fun with any car when you start out with. It'll get you from A to B considerably faster than public transit or walking, and you'll have a lot of fun memories.

But if you really insist on owning your own car still, the 90's Honda's are usually cheap and readily available (eg. CRX, Integra, Civic). Fairly fuel efficient, sporty, and fun to drive (although they maybe FWD, they'll get you through all types of weather much better).

However, finding one that is accident free, unmolested, or in good enough working condition not to give you a headache and a higher maintenance fee than the actual cost of the car might be tough.

Saving money could be the best idea because something new, exciting, and better is always lurking around the corner that may catch your eye such as the Ford Fiesta ST, or Mazdaspeed2.

So again, sticking to whatever your parents will let you drive is best.

PS. When I was sixteen, I was looking at cars such as R32, FD3S, SW20, etc. When I look back on it, I think it was the best decision I made to save my money and get something more modern instead of something that won't be able to get enough TLC from me.

I agree. Although I am saving up my money because if I want to tune my cars, I'll have that option. If I continue though with out buying parts when I'm 16, I'll have enough money to really put the hammer down.

BTW my parents probably could buy me a car right now with the money they owe me. Last year they took $2,000 to pay property taxes. I really don't care about that though, it'll get payed off later on.

Oh... the Jalopnik video here... pretty disturbing, but no one died:

http://jalopnik.com/5805176/red-lig...er-not-at-fault-for-running-over-mother-child

You see someone stopped to the left of you or to the right of you when the light turns green at an intersection... and *ding*ding*ding*ding... red lights should be going off in your head.

Thats crazy. Although a lot of times here in Dallas people will stop at a green light for no reason at all.
 
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