lol I will do a proper reply later to the points you guys have raised, but looking at who has voted for the clio is it just me or has anyone noticed that every voter was british? I mean it must say something. I think you guys are letting the mags sway your decision a little too much.
No i didn't notice, I'm not a member of that forum funny how not all the members who've voted for it in this poll are British though.
Anyway heres an update on how the impreza forum guys who have voted. (remeber that many of these guys will have had experience with several of the vehicles in the poll
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How do you know that, because they typed that they did?
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View Poll Results: Whats the best hothatch?
Golf GTI 10 9.52%
Leon Cupra-R 16 15.24%
Honda Civic Type-R 9 8.57%
Focus ST 18 17.14%
Astra VXR 6 5.71%
Clio 172/182 15 14.29%
106 GTI 9 8.57%
205 GTI 17 16.19%
Fabia VRS 2 1.90%
Nissan Pulsar GTI-R 3 2.86%
Voters: 105. You have already voted on this poll
15 votes to 10, seems like it's being considered a lot better than the Golf as a hot hatch to me.
I see that the Leon cupra is AHEAD of the clio by one vote. And seeing as the Golf GTI and Leon are near enough the same vehicle if I had left the Golf or leon out, I think a VAG chassied vehicle would have several more votes than the clio, and that forum has had plenty of clio sport owners.
Whatare you trying to prove with your other forum poll that shows the Clio with more votes, you can make excuses and specualte as to why that is all you want, bottom line is they have given the Clio more votes.
Just had to reply to this now.
1. The Golf GTI and the Clio 172/182 BOTH use a 2Litre engine. They both have the same size displacement!!!!!!!
Totally missed his point, his point is that a hatchback with a big engine and a sporty leaning isn't a true hot hatch, he's saying that the Golf has far more in common with that description than the Clio, and the Clio fit's the hot hatch label far more than the Golf.
Not going by this poll it isnt, and by the poll I posted on another forum they seem to agree that the clio isnt the best.
but better than the Golf so far.
Also for those who say that hot htaches arent meant to be practical what are you guys thinking? The whole point of the hothatch is to be a practical performance car
You do make a semi valid point there, however practicality comes in amany different forms, a hot hatch has to be practical in cost to buy, clio takes that it's 5 grand cheaper. Seat 4 people ideally, Clio and Golf both do that. And go like stink, the Clio is better than the Golf at that. People who want a performance car that they can do the shopping in may well pick a hot hatch, but a hot hatch is not the best car for that job.
So you want the VAG vehicles to get penalised for having more power?
He didn't say that.
Things dont always work like that.
Buy a BMW and a similiar specced saab and the saab will be cheaper. 4 years down the line the BMW would be worth twice as much as the saab.
So, why are you going on about depreciation, after 4 years the depreciation on the Clio won't leave it 5 grand cheaper than a 4 year old Golf. 3 grand maybe, not 5, that's that 5 grand premium you have to get back on the Golf.
The same thing applies for the Golf and the clio. You will lose more money running the clio 172/182 than a golf GTI.
No you won't, they cost a similar ammount to run but the Golf is in a higher insurance bracket than the Clio. the Clio depreciates more but you make that back and more in the initial purchase over the Golf's price.
LOL but the clio breaks down, has a crap interior, crap ride,is noisey, poor interior space, next to no boot space, isnt a four seater but a 2+2
Any car breaks down, as was said earlier, if you look after your car it will generally be reliable, the clio isn't really bad like Alfa's electronics, it's a decent car just not the most reliable compared to a Golf. Look after one and it will see you through fine. The interor is sparse, it's meant to be. If it's a 2+2 it's a 4 seater 💡.
Oh and it seems that only the Brits are ravving about this car so much....
Or not. Not all the voers are British
Focus ST goes for 17k these days, two more than the clio but with alot more power and space. The Focus ST beats the overpriced clio out.
How is the cheaper and faster Clio overpriced? The ST is one heck of a car and they handle great on a smoother road, they arn't as nimble as the Clio, they arn't as quick off the line as the Clio and they are in the same insurance group as the Golf.
The cheapest clio is 7k. So for the 172/182 thats a 8k price hike for the fast model. The cheapest golf is 12k, and the GTI also has a 8k price hike, but you are getting a array of extra equipment for your money, whilst with the clio you just get a sporting setup and a sporty engine. The clio is expesive for what it is. Hell some of the damn things havent even got airbags.
It probably is expensive for what it is, the Golf however get's beaten hands down in terms of value for money by a large number of cars so you can't say the Golf is good value value for money either. For a hot hatch the Golf is vastly over priced, for a normal hatch is't castly over priced.
Atleast I have driven the detuned version of the clio motor so have a little experience of how it most likely delivers its power.
No you don't, because that can change dramatically with sometimes minor twaeks to the power train.
Like what other than handling performance?
Prchase price, insurance group, thrills.
VW quotes 6.6 secs for the 230PS VW golf GTI eqiuipped with DSG, and VW are always conservative with their figures...
Autocar was driving the DSG, the Clio was faster.
The clio is only the faster car if both drivers stick to the traffic laws. In germany the Clio would be left for dead depending on the route.
How the hell do you work this out, if both drivers stick dead to the traffic laws, then provided they have the same conditions they will take the same time, if you put your foot down the Clio is quicker and it handles better all the while offering more thrills.
lol thats a broad statement because you dont know what I have access to. I have Cd. figures for the GTI but not the clio. Im sure we could find them though
So what, I know for a fact you don't have the Cd figures for the sides of both cars.
The whole purpose of the hothatch is a sensible car with performance. A hatchback is a sensible car. How does it having 200hp make it unsensible? Why would people get a hothatch if theyre unsensible? You might aswell go witha sports car then.
No, not sensible, cheap performance cars that can carry 4 people. The Golf isn't cheap.
The whole point of the hothatch is meant to be a affordable performance car for the whole family.
no that would be a regular hatchback, a hot hatch is meant to provide thrills.
The leon doesnt beat the golf in every way. The golf is slightly more refined and comfortable. Perfomance wise the seats provide more bang for buck than the VW so the brand does undercut it.
It depends what your after, the Leon is more of hot hatch than the Golf yes, but it's still far too expensive imo.
Hold up. here you guys are saying "but like OMG hot hatches are meant to be all about the hardcore thrills" but then say the Type-R engine is too racy?
no, the Type-R engine can only be driven in one way, it's no more racy than the Clio or the Golf are capable of being be, but the problem is it's always racy.
BTW the renault 2.0 lump is a rev nut just like the type-r aswell, maybe not as much but it still is. The thing loves to rev.
Yeah, great, but you don't have to be revving it like mad to get the car to move at any decent rate like you do the Type-R, you sure like to bring new disccusion point in to complicate a debate don't you.
the suzuki cant do 120mph in the first place but you showed great skill there taking it out of context.
No he made a valid point, you incited that the fact the Clio was lighter meant it would be less stable at speed in strong winds, that isn't the case.
The clio is an unpractical hothatch. Most hothatches are not impractical.
It's more practcal than anyone should need it to be, it carries 4 people, you can go shopping in it ect. If you can;t carry as much as you need to carry then why have you bought a hatchback, simple as.
Your always a bit of an ass arent you.
No need to start insulting people Poverty, you're too old for that.
, why not include sub 10k regular hatches then because they will walk it.
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