[beta6] GT6 Spec II Mod

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For me, Veyron is basically unsteerable. I managed to get to the end of the track ONCE without being forced to restart. XD Then game blacked out. Gran Turismo 6 is NOTORIOUSLY hard to install now because of the huge updates and PS3 not being the best at managing huge files, see any more or less recent review about it.

I don't want to cheat for gold in events, I just want to play "endurance" (silly for GT6 to call half-length races that though) instead of doing stupid license tests that everyone hates since the first game... GT1/2/4 at least gave you better cars you could actually steer, so I got all licenses there back then. But not the Super license here!

Or you mean the gold cheat will work in licenses menu?.. Need to try it after backing up save...

X-Bow track in S, I somehow fit into bronze on first try, despite having tons of mistakes, and I didn't try to redo it or improve my time why spend time on licenses when I can play actual events instead? But Lambo and Bugatti are beyond me, they drive like boats. Aventador is probably the only car I couldn't do several laps on High Speed Ring, the easiest track, without spinning out. I remember getting in for career, giving up, and tuning a JDM car instead.

I understand that you're probably supposed to powersteer like in Mario Kart and use an expensive streering wheel, I dunno, I won the historic races on Countach, so while Lambos have infamously bad handling, I can deal with them, but not that one stupid butter-knife on wheels! xD

Anyway, I haven't met a single person who actually liked license tests in GT. It's the most alienating thing in the franchise, it was always bad, but more like pulling a tooth... dozen times in a row: it's painful and it's boring, but it's needed, so but you do it... once, then forget about it forever.

Come on, on PS1 they had several straight line stopping tests ffs! xD Starting a new save was always like, IS IT WORTH IT, all because of the licenses. Yes, I get it, they taught us game mechanics and driving basics 20 years ago, but come on, how many times must it be forced!? Like "go learn to drive the worst car in the game that you will never use later anyway." Imagine if every driver had to tour Brands Hatch on a stock Lambo to qualify for Le Mans eh.

Why make licenses even more annoying?.. Game has challenges and time trials that are actually fun, and worth replaying to improve your time or score, but why try to increase playtime and artificially pad the license borefest??? If it's difficult or impossible to mod in standing starts or make AI cars tougher due to how game is coded, fine, but a mod that increases license time is like a Mass Effect mod that doubles the elevator time. Who would like that?!

Sorry for the long rant, tl;dr: people who make games or mods have a tendency to replay same sections and get real good at them. But most players just don't test so much, we don't want to improve our stock car handling on the track sections the designers picked, if we do, we're going mission racing or coffee breaks, not licenses. Otherwise we want to collect, tune and race cars we get in career.
 
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Licenses have always been a way to teach people how to control a car, if you find that to be gatekeeping... well i don't really mind but i don't agree. However, giving the player the choice not to have to do them would be nice if you're a returning one. Although since every game so far has handled differently each time, i personally never minded it. I do them first then never have to touch them again.
But anyways, as stated above, there is a button combination to auto-complete events. Just use that.

Edit: okay, you clearly hate license tests lol
 
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For me, Veyron is basically unsteerable. I managed to get to the end of the track ONCE without being forced to restart. XD Then game blacked out. Gran Turismo 6 is NOTORIOUSLY hard to install now because of the huge updates and PS3 not being the best at managing huge files, see any more or less recent review about it.

I don't want to cheat for gold in events, I just want to play "endurance" (silly for GT6 to call half-length races that though) instead of doing stupid license tests that everyone hates since the first game... GT1/2/4 at least gave you better cars you could actually steer, so I got all licenses there back then. But not the Super license here!

Or you mean the gold cheat will work in licenses menu?.. Need to try it after backing up save...

X-Bow track in S, I somehow fit into bronze on first try, despite having tons of mistakes, and I didn't try to redo it or improve my time why spend time on licenses when I can play actual events instead? But Lambo and Bugatti are beyond me, they drive like boats. Aventador is probably the only car I couldn't do several laps on High Speed Ring, the easiest track, without spinning out. I remember getting in for career, giving up, and tuning a JDM car instead.

I understand that you're probably supposed to powersteer like in Mario Kart and use an expensive streering wheel, I dunno, I won the historic races on Countach, so while Lambos have infamously bad handling, I can deal with them, but not that one stupid butter-knife on wheels! xD

Anyway, I haven't met a single person who actually liked license tests in GT. It's the most alienating thing in the franchise, it was always bad, but more like pulling a tooth... dozen times in a row: it's painful and it's boring, but it's needed, so but you do it... once, then forget about it forever.

Come on, on PS1 they had several straight line stopping tests ffs! xD Starting a new save was always like, IS IT WORTH IT, all because of the licenses. Yes, I get it, they taught us game mechanics and driving basics 20 years ago, but come on, how many times must it be forced!? Like "go learn to drive the worst car in the game that you will never use later anyway." Imagine if every driver had to tour Brands Hatch on a stock Lambo to qualify for Le Mans eh.

Why make licenses even more annoying?.. Game has challenges and time trials that are actually fun, and worth replaying to improve your time or score, but why try to increase playtime and artificially pad the license borefest??? If it's difficult or impossible to mod in standing starts or make AI cars tougher due to how game is coded, fine, but a mod that increases license time is like a Mass Effect mod that doubles the elevator time. Who would like that?!

Sorry for the long rant, tl;dr: people who make games or mods have a tendency to replay same sections and get real good at them. But most players just don't test so much, we don't want to improve our stock car handling on the track sections the designers picked, if we do, we're going mission racing or coffee breaks, not licenses. Otherwise we want to collect, tune and race cars we get in career.
Git gud? I'm a crap driver and I did all of the tests find. The Veyron and Aventador are very heavy car and therefore you can't drive them like you'd drive a Lotus Elise or a McLaren MP4-12C. You just can't 'fling' these sorts of cars.
 

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Edit: not to mention, Gran Turismo 6 is prone to crashing and black-screening the PS3 when restarting a lot. It's a known issue but I managed to avoid crashes on normal races, but licenses and little mission races do often make it hang after a few tries. Like after a few runs and getting to one second within that Brands Hatch test, it blacked my console and it had to do forced disk-check. I don't want to risk it anymore.
Really sorry to hear the black screening / crashing, that must be extremely frustrating. I've never had any crashes ever, in GT6, I have been playing it for many years each month in single player, I've played on two different PS3 slims, one with the stock HDD another with an SSD I swapped into it.

My recommendation is to look into an SSD swap and a reformat of your PS3, and some of the options to soft-mod a PS3 (which I can't go into due to forum rules of course).
 
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Really sorry to hear the black screening / crashing, that must be extremely frustrating. I've never had any crashes ever, in GT6, I have been playing it for many years each month in single player, I've played on two different PS3 slims, one with the stock HDD another with an SSD I swapped into it.

My recommendation is to look into an SSD swap and a reformat of your PS3, and some of the options to soft-mod a PS3 (which I can't go into due to forum rules of course).
I have PS3 with CFW, but I got GT6 only recently, so had to install all updates in a row instead of updating them as released, and this is where the problems start. Most people installing Gran Turismo 5 or 6 from scratch have issues because of the sheer update size.
Git gud? I'm a crap driver and I did all of the tests find. The Veyron and Aventador are very heavy car and therefore you can't drive them like you'd drive a Lotus Elise or a McLaren MP4-12C. You just can't 'fling' these sorts of cars.
So how do you even drive them? If I brake before turn, I don't get enough time. If I powerbrake, they slide out. Anyway I did all of the tests except these two. But I did them without this:
All license times have been significantly made harder
Why? Like I registered on this forum to say that many players won't even look at the mod as soon as they see significantly harder licenses. Doing license tests even once makes you want to never RE-do them. It's like a very long forced tutorial level, inability to skip it is bad enough on first playthrough, and just gets painful on repeats.

Like, if they're easy for you, then why would you want to do them again? Who even tries to redo hand-holding tutorials with better score outside of Gran Turismo? And even here people were only aiming at gold because it gave bonus cars. I'd rather have more rally events and specific country or manufacturer cups, races on unused arcade-only tracks and underused car categories instead of redoing same tests but with stricter time limit for no reason other than to "git gud" at extended tutorials.

tl;dr: licenses are either hard and boring for you, or easy and boring. In either case, they're not fun to do. For most games, skip tutorial is one of most popular mods. I don't remember any other mod that actually increased the tutorial length or made them harder.
 
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So how do you even drive them? If I brake before turn, I don't get enough time. If I powerbrake, they slide out. Anyway I did all of the tests except these two.
Brake early, go slowly around corners. They're very stubborn cars and feel like they're understeering, so you need to be patient with them. As I said earlier on, the same technique you'd use for a Lotus Elise, Honda S2000 or NSX just won't work.
 
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Brake early, go slowly around corners. They're very stubborn cars and feel like they're understeering, so you need to be patient with them. As I said earlier on, the same technique you'd use for a Lotus Elise, Honda S2000 or NSX just won't work.
The technique I use for those rear wheel drive Hondas is spinning like Mazepin on first turn, then quitting the race and changing to a car with less oversteer. xD

So the "early brake, slow in, fast out" is generally how I drive in GT, and I generally don't have a problem with understeer in 4WD cars, Mitsu GTO and Suzuki Escudo were my jam...

But on those two license tests doing cornering properly takes too much time. So I am trying to do corners faster, braking later to just barely make turns without getting off track, but apparently even that's not fast enough.

Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread, I downloaded the mod and readme said that license times were increased so I never got to installing it because duh.
 
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The technique I use for those rear wheel drive Hondas is spinning like Mazepin on first turn, then quitting the race and changing to a car with less oversteer. xD

So the "early brake, slow in, fast out" is generally how I drive in GT, and I generally don't have a problem with understeer in 4WD cars, Mitsu GTO and Suzuki Escudo were my jam...

But on those two license tests doing cornering properly takes too much time. So I am trying to do corners faster, braking later to just barely make turns without getting off track, but apparently even that's not fast enough.

Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread, I downloaded the mod and readme said that license times were increased so I never got to installing it because duh.
I think Veyron one isnt increased(it actually says that). If you want I can share my replay of 2.06 with not that spectacular driving because I runnes Ascari maybe few times before that.
 
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I think Veyron one isnt increased(it actually says that). If you want I can share my replay of 2.06 with not that spectacular driving because I runnes Ascari maybe few times before that.
Yeah, but the Aventador one is changed? Sure, share the license walkthrough. Ones I tried to find myself didn't help.
 
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I have joined the discord thanks to second link but when i presented myself in #entry channel my message got removed and i wasn't allowed to join the server
 
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I have joined the discord thanks to second link but when i presented myself in #entry channel my message got removed and i wasn't allowed to join the server
They're taking gatekeeping to a whole new level. That's it, I am just playing the game vanilla.
 
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They're taking gatekeeping to a whole new level. That's it, I am just playing the game vanilla.
I don't think the agressive post was necessary.
The server has a strict entry policy due to an overwhelming amount of both underage users and spam going in, this was an unfortunate choice we had to take in order to keep our community focused. We require people to leave a message in our entry channel to be manually approved, which is almost all cases so far happens.


I think it's fair to bring up but I do not use GT Planet often, and rather discord, so my apologies for my inactive-ness in here.
 
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I don't think the aggressive post was necessary.
I asked if it is possible to make harder licenses part optional last autumn. "Git gud" was the answer I got, and when saying that updating the game and getting errors and black screens is a huge problem now, my concern was dismissed, despite the same issue being one of very few active thread on GT6 in this forum.

Another poster asked if it's possible to exclude sound changes. Neither of us got any real answers.

The hardened license times is what I have a huge problem with, and it should have a bigger warning as I almost ruined my game's installation with this mod until I read an entire readme since licenses are next to last part near the bottom. It's like a Tekken mod that adds costumes, arenas, changes sounds, but at the very end says it that by the way, we will replace vibration with electric shocks.

I already explained the testers's paradox when you replay the same parts and they seem to be super easy, and you want to make them harder, I modded games myself, so I understand it... but absolute majority of players already hates the guts of license tests in Gran Turismo and don't want more challenge there. We want challenging races, not more tutorials.

Most either completed licenses and don't want to do them again, or can't complete them and will never download the mod that makes them even harder. Do you have any commentary on that, like will there be an update, or if it's some files that can be removed from installation or what? Because reinstalling Gran Turismo 6 is a huge risk already and we don't want to ruin our installations.
 
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I don't think the agressive post was necessary.
The server has a strict entry policy due to an overwhelming amount of both underage users and spam going in, this was an unfortunate choice we had to take in order to keep our community focused. We require people to leave a message in our entry channel to be manually approved, which is almost all cases so far happens.


I think it's fair to bring up but I do not use GT Planet often, and rather discord, so my apologies for my inactive-ness in here.
yes i understand that managing a discord server is hard, and that some strict measure is necessary to keep a server under control. but maybe it is too strict that even honest member suffer from the gatekeeping
 
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With every respect...
"Git gud" was the answer I got
And 'git gud' has been the answer throughout the entire Gran Turismo series. As I explained before, I completed all of GT6's license tests years ago, when I was a terrible driver who used X to accelerate and down on the right stick to brake (yes, that was my actual control scheme). Are you sure you've tried your best? The demo videos are there for a reason and, while a bit hard to understand and remember at first, are incredibly useful.
and when saying that updating the game and getting errors and black screens is a huge problem now, my concern was dismissed, despite the same issue being one of very few active thread on GT6 in this forum.
I have installed GT6 on two different PS3s and never had the issue. Since the update issue has nothing to do with the mod, there is little reason to complain about it here. It is a big issue, but not the biggest.
 
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Just skip the licenses using the
  • SELECT in GT Mode on an event changes the current progress for it
mentioned in the OP. It'll even award you the prize cars if you're afraid of missing out.
Not only have we mentioned that function already above, but this will be the last time i do it.

The licenses are a non-issue for those who don't want to do them, no reason to be complaining about it.

Finally, sound changes are part of the mod, they won't make custom versions for x, y, or z reasons. It'd take a lot of work to please a few people.
 
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Like you can give yourself gold literally. GT6 really has low standards in golds anyways, try playing 2 or 3. I hope GT7 won't be as much user friendly as GT6 was. Anyways I don't see what's the point of complaining about something that they put together with their work and give it to you for free.
I don't know about a discord but I'm unable to participate for a long time now because of private lifw reasons and no one kicked me out of it or something.
 
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Like you can give yourself gold literally. GT6 really has low standards in golds anyways, try playing 2 or 3. I hope GT7 won't be as much user friendly as GT6 was. Anyways I don't see what's the point of complaining about something that they put together with their work and give it to you for free.
I don't know about a discord but I'm unable to participate for a long time now because of private lifw reasons and no one kicked me out of it or something.
yeah it is not about member already in the discord, just new member that wants to join


and that's why i didn't like GT6 compared to GT5, the user friendly level is so blatant and 5 try is enough for gold medals (or even one try on some events). It doesn't force you to be a better driver.
 
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Like you can give yourself gold literally. GT6 really has low standards in golds anyways, try playing 2 or 3. I hope GT7 won't be as much user friendly as GT6 was. Anyways I don't see what's the point of complaining about something that they put together with their work and give it to you for free.
I don't know about a discord but I'm unable to participate for a long time now because of private lifw reasons and no one kicked me out of it or something.
For me, GTS was the worse. Very rarely was there any challenge in either the license tests or the Circuit Experience, and for that reason I didn't like it as much. From struggling to get silver in GT4, I found myself getting gold in pretty much everything in GTS on the first go.

That said, I won't complain about getting the GT-R pace car. :)
 
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For me, GTS was the worse. Very rarely was there any challenge in either the license tests or the Circuit Experience, and for that reason I didn't like it as much. From struggling to get silver in GT4, I found myself getting gold in pretty much everything in GTS on the first go.

That said, I won't complain about getting the GT-R pace car. :)
Yes, I didn't even count GTS tbf haha
But 2 and 3 are more difficult for me than 4 because I'm used to wheel so stuff with a pad can be frustrating for me. Specially 2 without analog stick. But it's much mode rewarding when you finally get the gold. On 5 Vettel Challenges were difficult but it still took me only few hours to gold them with DFGT. On 6 and GTS nothing is difficult. But honestly I can't see them making hard events to gold in GT7 unfortunately
 
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Thanks a lot man, recently learning a lot with modded console and game, you did a great job on this mod !
 
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With every respect...

Why is it whenever someone says "with all due respect", they really mean "kiss my ass"? -Ash Williams, Mass Effect
And 'git gud' has been the answer throughout the entire Gran Turismo series...
The phrase is a joke about Dark Souls, using it unironically is some extra 'internet badass' level stuff lmao.

Are you sure you've tried your best?
Of course I did not!

Nobody wants to do licenses, it's a cold hard fact, and the first thing people say in any Gran Turismo review, the idea that this mod decided to increase their times is either a mistake, or some FGC-level of gatekeeping by people who don't see how they look from the outside.

GT fandom is already being relentlessly mocked by the racing community for the boring tests and lack of real consequences for bumping into other cars. It's not realistic and any pretense that it's hardcore simulation is ridiculous! Licenses give series a bad name, they're not the hill you want to die on, really...
Just skip the licenses using the
  • SELECT in GT Mode on an event changes the current progress for it
mentioned in the OP. It'll even award you the prize cars if you're afraid of missing out. Not only have we mentioned that function already above, but this will be the last time i do it.

The licenses are a non-issue for those who don't want to do them, no reason to be complaining about it.

Finally, sound changes are part of the mod, they won't make custom versions for x, y, or z reasons. It'd take a lot of work to please a few people.
It wasn't clear that skips 'licenses,' just 'events'. And yes, it is an issue when someone arbitrarily decides to change the in-game time limits to whatever they want. Just don't touch the preset tests, tweak the actual races instead. Those need more difficulty.

Nobody wants first Driver to have stricter limits in opening garage test where the rest of the game is so much easier, you know. Same here.
Like you can give yourself gold literally. GT6 really has low standards in golds anyways, try playing 2 or 3. I hope GT7 won't be as much user friendly as GT6 was.
You HOPE that the game will be less user friendly? What level of internet wannabe tough guy elitism is that? xD

And I got all licenses in GT1, 2 and 4 years ago. Doesn't make me want to redo that starting and stopping tests crap.
yeah it is not about member already in the discord, just new member that wants to join
That's... a literal definition of gate-keeping.
and that's why i didn't like GT6 compared to GT5, the user friendly level is so blatant and 5 try is enough for gold medals (or even one try on some events). It doesn't force you to be a better driver.
Complaining about one of most-sold games of all time being user-friendly is absolute bonkers, do you want Polyphony to go bankrupt? If Gran Turismo wasn't a user-friendly experience, people wouldn't have bought the games so much.

And if you're so deluded that you think redoing licenses in Gran Turismo make you a better driver, you need a reality check. GT isn't even considered a sim! Anyway, I thought fighting games have unbearable elitist communities, figures there are worse ones.

Cause the games are good, I like the arcadish collision physics, car tuning, JDM focus, and sheer amount of content, shame the fans are almost like Star Wars fandom.
 
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At the end of the day, mods are like games, in that the people making them make them to their vision. The assumption is that hopefully it will have mass appeal, but everyone knows that it's impossible for everyone to like something.

Spec II is essentially a compilation of tweaks that we believe make GT6 a better game. If you don't like the mod, then the vanilla game and the tools to make your own tweaks are readily available.
 
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It wasn't clear that skips 'licenses,' just 'events'
Events are literally everything in the game that has a completion status. Races, license tests etc. I wouldn't have mentioned it when you first started complaining if i didn't know what i was talking about.

Nobody wants first Driver to have stricter limits in opening garage test
Because nobody ever noticed the literal video tutorial on how to beat that damn test within the game itself, that i myself used when i was 8 years old and that ever since has let me beat it with barely more than half the alotted time.
I agree i wouldn't make it harder however.

The fact that you don't even consider that there might be people new to both racing games and driving in general needing to learn the basics in order to be even remotely competent in both the game and real life baffles me. Yes, it's a bit tedious for returning players to play through the same basics every game, i guess. Even though cars, tracks, physics are all different in every single game, but i guess it's all innate knowledge for every body alive, including my 10 year old nephew for whom i'm a god just because i can actually win a race lol
Also please tell the multiple successful GT Academy winners that the game they got good at, competed in, and resulted in actual spots in real races in real life, isn't sim enough. I'd also really like to have their opinion of how well it compares to irl driving, and if licenses helped them learn anything about driving and controlling a car, because for sure, such an arcade game as GT clearly has no basis on real life at all. I'm sure you think PD spent money printing actual driving guides to be put inside every GT1 box useless as well, because you do'nt need to learn how to use them efficiently, you already knew.

I'd love to see you post sources for your claims that everyone clearly hates licenses in GT.
Sure, i didn't go to every website in search of reviews, in fact i only scanned IGN. But in GT2 until GT6, not a single review mentioned anything about licenses being annoying. In fact, they were even praised in GT4 for being a part of the game's progression lol
Only complaint that's recurring is the AI driving, and the lack of detailed damage systems.

So anyways, i'll see myself out. I don't like ranting and i don't like opinions voiced as if they were worldwide facts either. You had an issue, issue was resolved, you can keep complaining all you want, i don't think many people will care anymore. At least not I.