Beware of teen drivers!

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I'll bet the teens are hoping for a Velcro or magnetic badge, so they can remove it when their parents aren't around.
 
Authorities will not use the decals to target young drivers or pull them over for no reason, she said.
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The cake, guys, the cake. The cake is already a lie, and this law will only make it even more so. But it will also possibly make it easier to prove the theory: let us see how many adults get pulled over while driving cars with under-21 stickers.
 
Aren't these like the L, red P and green P plates that are displayed on Australian young driver's cars?
 
It seems fairly flawed, I will point out the major flaws I see.
1)Velcro: This would be a stupid idea since they could just take it off, hence making them harder for cops to spot rendering the law pointless.
2)Non-De script: Isn't the point of the sticker to make them stand out more so you know to be more cautious around them?
3)Cops: You know that they will be keeping a closer eye on the cars with the stickers, which would basically be targeting them.
4) Road Rage: I'm not sure if this would be much of a problem, but I'm sure some idiot will have a bad day see the sticker, remember how much they hate teen drivers and run them off the road. I hope that this would never happen, but I've heard stories about people killing someone for cutting in front of them at McDonald's.

I have no real problem with this, but there are many flaws in their design. Plus even if they have stickers I don't think it will lower the death rate much as a majority of deadly accidents involving them are caused by the teen driver and are also single car wrecks.
 
If they work out the flaws it could be a success me thinks.
 
I'm absolutly sure it's pretty much the same system we have in Australia - and that works all the time.
 
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I'm absolutly sure it's pretty much the same system we have in Australia - and that works all the time.
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What do you mean by "works all the time"? What does that system accomplish?
 
Hey, look on the bright side! At least all those mad tyte JDM kids with those Japanese new driver emblems will actually be making sense!
 
Stupid and dangerous if you ask me. Another reason for cops to pull you over. New Jersey is retarded.
 
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At least they will JDM TYTE! Thanks for beating me Rev. :cheers:
 
In Western Australia, we have L plates (Learner Driver, must drive with a license holder, among other restrictions), and Two sets of P plates (Probationary, one is Red and one is green. Don't remember which is which, but the first one is limited to 100kmh at most {some highways are 120kmh} and are not allowed to drive between 12am and 4am, and the second one has these removed, but you only have 6 demerit points, instead of 12). I think the Central and Eastern states have a similar system, hey guys?
 
If you're a teenager in NJ who works a night shift, how do you get to work?

Edit: Ah, thanks nk4e!
 
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Roo, I think that they limit the time when a minor can work. Like in California, a minor can't work past 9:30pm Pacific Time.
 
Keef
What do you mean by "works all the time"? What does that system accomplish?
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Lets you know who is a learner ("L" on the car), means I have more patience for them. Drivers who get pass the learning stage are in Probationary/Provisional stage have a big "P" on the car, which works best as a cop magnet.
 
Why not go the whole hog and put an enormous black on yellow X on the back like a novice racing driver sticker? :lol:

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Lets you know who is a learner ("L" on the car), means I have more patience for them. Drivers who get pass the learning stage are in Probationary/Provisional stage have a big "P" on the car, which works best as a cop magnet.
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Our driving students drive specially marked cars owned by their driving school, which have Student Driver plastered all over them, which seems to be equivalent to your "L". But this New Jersey law seems to be equivalent to your "P", which like you mentioned is an unfair cop magnet. On top of police already targetting young people. Some young people are worthless drivers, yes, but some of us, like myself, follow the rules much better than the vast majority of adults out there. Hell, my parents are so old they never even took driving tests to get their license. They never took driving tests!

If I was President...I'd make everyone take a driving exam again within 4 years of getting their license the first time, and then again every 10 years. Simple things like not using your blinker can be quite dangerous in many situations. On the other hand, no amount of teaching will prevent people running red lights. That's what red light cameras are for. People need to work on communication and predictability. The latter because I've seen quite a few people do something out of nowhere that made me say "Where the HELL did you see that in the rule booklet?"

Anyway, cops target kids. Did I mention that yet? Kind of like that dick who ticketed me for my license plate because he couldn't get me for speeding after a week of trying. Dick. Protect and Serve, brother.
 
Keef
Our driving students drive specially marked cars owned by their driving school, which have Student Driver plastered all over them, which seems to be equivalent to your "L".
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Much of our learning is not doing with a official instructor but rather with a regular licensed driver, we have to be on our learners for a minimum 6 months so in that time you drive with your parents (or any full licensed driver) much of the time before getting official lessons to get your Provisional. So we need the "L" plate on more than just a instructors car.

The "P" plate isn't just a marker of a younger or inexpeienced driver it also means they have a 100km/h limit and less tolerance before losing thier license.
 
Okay, that law sounds just like our P plate system over here in Australia. Like Viper is saying, our L plate system is different to the system in the US, although Kevin Rudd is looking at implementing some sort of system like that at schools nationally in the future.
But for now, to get a learner permit (L Plate), it's easy in NSW. Just pass a simple 3-stage multiple choice quiz which is about 50 questions and takes about 40 minutes. Here's the fun bit, you're allowed 3 wrong in Part 1, 1 wrong in Pt.2 & 100% right in Pt.3.
You then have to drive a certain amount of driving hours in various conditions to then get the chance to go for your provisional licence or P Plates over here, which is quite a few hours now. Then you go for your driving test with a traffic authority member and pass, then you have to be on your P's for 3yrs now. In NSW, we have Red P's and Green P's. You start on Red P's (4pts. on licence), and can go up to Green P's (6pts. on licence) after passing a visual driving simulation exam after 18mths. There's also speed restrictions too, 90km/h for red P, 100km/h for green P and curfews for young drivers under 21, they can't have more than 1 passenger after 11pm.
 
i think really you can spot a bad driver without the need of a sticker... :p

i guess it can work there where they are restricted by curfew anyway.

here there is restriction with the license being held, the learner being on a provisional license and L plates until they pass which was enough notice for other drivers to take note/avoid/pick on. there are P plates which signify new drivers that have passed the test, i think the idea with those was to make other drivers give them a bit of space but it does the opposite and is a moron magnet. fortunately it is optional and after 3 days of my parents wishful thinking and subsequent realising that other drivers were much less aggressive without them, not to mention at least three trying to drive them off the road in just one short journey i got to take them off.
 
You don't need a sticker to tell you its a teen driver, tell tale signs will be that its a saxo with a stupidly large exhaust and has 4 people in the rear seats.
 
Keef
What do you mean by "works all the time"? What does that system accomplish?
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OK..so as said before (most of it anyway)

L plates. You get them by taking an exam once you pass 16yo. You have can only get one question wrong before you fail. Once you have this L license, you can have it for 5 years before you need to get it again (in case your slow) and it means (well in NSW anyway) that you can't drive over 80kmph and must drive with someone holding a full license. You have to have these plates for a minimum 1 year and you must have logged at least 120 hours in your gomvernment provided log book.

You then move onto the Red "p"s by taking a practical exam - (drive with driving instructors). Once you get these, you are allowed to drive by your self but must not exceed 90kmph. As there is no curfew in Australia, getting your Ps represent freedom. You have to hold these for 1 year to go to the next plate.

The green Ps are given after you complete another classroom examination and they allow you to drive up to 100kmph

then after this, you get your full license.

How do plates work?
Well having bright yellow L plates on your car immidiatly informs other drivers that you are learning, going slow and prone to making sudden movements withou indicating.

Having the Ps immidiatly show drivers that you are still a novice at driving. It also shows police whether a certain license holder is speeding or driving the wrong car (I'll get to that in a bit).

If you are caught driving under a plate holding license without displaying plates on your car will end you some seriously bad news form the police department - and they will catch you as they can spot the differences between a seasoned driver and a novice driver.

The examiners when you are going from Ls to Ps are literally looking for thigs to fail you on. They fail 90% males and 70% females - so you got to have skill to get your Ps.

Another thing is that Ps limit you to what you can drive (Ls don't - so I can drive a Veyron on my Ls but not Ps)

You have to have 6 cylanders or less

No aspiration (eg super/turbo chargers) except on Diesel or petrol under 1.8L

(can you see why the GT3RS is a dream car for P platers?)

No engine upgrades

All of these are up for dispute. You can go to the RTA (don't ask me what it stands for) and tell them its the only car your family has. These cases are for Saabs and such which aren't sporty but are turbos - though if the car in question is a 600HP Supra, they'll tell you to go away.
Police are very leniatnt with this one though. My friend (whos on his red Ps) sometimes drives his Cayenne to School and hasn't yet been pulled - he's clarified it with the RTA but police should still pull him and check if everything's in order.

Once I saw an RX3 so much hepped on steroids it was spitting flames out the exhaust pipe and was slammed on drag tyres - and the guy was on his red Ps. So that's someone whos 17-18 in charge of what must have been 500-700hp in an RX3 on public roads.:crazy:
 
According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, 61 percent of teenage passenger deaths in 2007 occurred in vehicles driven by another teenager.
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Ahh, so this is their logic, is it? *Scoff*... Right, so 60% of deaths occur when another teen is driving. Fine, I don't dispute their figures. But have they considered:


  1. Whose fault it actually was? If I'm driving a car with 3 passengers and someone runs a red light and severely t-bones me, I get added to that statistic regardless of the fact I did nothing wrong.
  2. The number of times teenagers drive teenagers around in the first place (bear with me here). Ok, so 60% of deaths occur when teenagers are driving. That's a ratio of 60 teen to 40 adult deaths, surely meaning that the likelihood of being killed in a teenager's car is higher than in an adult's car. ...but what if more teen-driving teen car journeys take place anyway (which they probably do)? Then the statistic rises naturally! It's like saying '70% of deaths occur in Ford Focuses, and only 5% occur in Ferrari F40s - therefore Ferraris are safer!' No, because more people drive Focuses in the first place, so the statistic naturally rises. The same goes here. You've got to consider the number of car journeys that take place in the first place per age group, and then look at the percentage of accidents.

Look at it this way. About 90% of my car journeys involve either being driven by a teen (either my friends or myself). If I were to have 2 accidents, 1 when myself or another teen was driving, and one where an adult was driving, then you could say that teenagers are statistically safer drivers. 1 accident in 90 journeys sounds far better than 1 accident in 10, doesn't it?

Twenty percent of all passenger deaths occurred when a teenager was driving.
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Again, a useless statistic. What's the percentage of teen drivers out there in the first place? My guess is probably about 20%, actually, which would mean an equal ratio of accidents for teen drivers and adult drivers.


Statistics are great fun.
 
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This law is being enforced in New Jersey? I drove on the roads a bit when I was there last year, and 90% of the drivers were rubbish. Whether they were a teenager or not wouldn’t make much of a difference.

Though I’m surprised the US hasn’t come up with a system like this before. I think the ‘P’ and ‘L’ plates work well in Australia.👍
 
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Another thing is that Ps limit you to what you can drive (Ls don't - so I can drive a Veyron on my Ls but not Ps)

You have to have 6 cylanders or less

No aspiration (eg super/turbo chargers) except on Diesel or petrol under 1.8L

(can you see why the GT3RS is a dream car for P platers?)

No engine upgrades

All of these are up for dispute. You can go to the RTA (don't ask me what it stands for) and tell them its the only car your family has. These cases are for Saabs and such which aren't sporty but are turbos - though if the car in question is a 600HP Supra, they'll tell you to go away.
Police are very leniatnt with this one though. My friend (whos on his red Ps) sometimes drives his Cayenne to School and hasn't yet been pulled - he's clarified it with the RTA but police should still pull him and check if everything's in order.

Once I saw an RX3 so much hepped on steroids it was spitting flames out the exhaust pipe and was slammed on drag tyres - and the guy was on his red Ps. So that's someone whos 17-18 in charge of what must have been 500-700hp in an RX3 on public roads.:crazy:
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These P Plate car restrictions don't apply in South Australia, P platers can't drive anything a full licensed driver can here.


80Y 2C2
You can go to the RTA (don't ask me what it stands for)
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I think it's a good idea for the US as the insurance is different often meaning people can afford to insure SUV's and sedans etc(Am I right?), but it would be pointless here for what Robin. has already stated...

Robin.
You don't need a sticker to tell you its a teen driver, tell tale signs will be that its a saxo with a stupidly large exhaust and has 4 people in the rear seats.
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and the same 'thump thump' coming from the stereo whilst constantly revving, speeding, racing and dangerously overtaking. Or in some other small hatchback/supermini.:rolleyes:

Well the majority anyway.

EDIT: After reading other responses, im starting to change my mind and agree that this is a bad idea all together.
 
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I'd rather not see such a system in NY because it can make teen drivers a target for the cops. My mother would be guilty of more traffic violations than me. I have found that she is not fully aware of the road after she almost ran over a guy. He was crossing in the middle of the road while the light changed to green and she claimed it was the guy's fault. It's the main reason why my dad is the one who teaches me how to drive a standard.
 
You mean the high school parking decals, overdose of black-and-white obscure band bumper stickers, and aftermarket automotive advertisements aren't enough to identify teenage drivers?
 
I completely disagree with this being controlled by age. Time after qualifying maybe, but age takes away from the fact that much of it is about experience.

JCE
Can we tag the elderly too? :D
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No, because that would discriminate against someone purely by age. Oh wait.
Jondot
Again, a useless statistic. What's the percentage of teen drivers out there in the first place? My guess is probably about 20%, actually, which would mean an equal ratio of accidents for teen drivers and adult drivers.
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Teen drivers are probably considerably less than 20%. The question I would like asked is how often to older drivers travel with a passenger?

For example in college alot of people would come to college with a car full of people. How often do commuters do that?
 
So, let me get this straight:

1) Age discrimination
2) Easier Age Profiling
3) Identifiers for Pedophiles

Sounds great guys.
 
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