BIASED GTP-ers!

[kart racer]

I try to treat everyone the same as I don't know the ID of non-tagged members. The only time I will favor a GTP driver is if I can't win but someone just ahead of me could, I will try to bumpdraft them into the lead.

 

[JPS]

i think that everyone should put each others name in the dictionary, i mean all the racers you have raced with, maybe a little explantation on their driving style. i don't mind criticism, i take it onboard, question myself and if i think you have a valid point i will change.

i think this is the best idea, anyone else have any others?

likewise, as in my case it can help improve

 

[nifty1]

Funny this!

I made the same type of post a while ago and it got shut down pretty quickly!

I personally respect every driver on the track, whether tagged or not, but I do see the temptation for tagged drivers to feel superior. I do understand the point of this post.

I will never feel the need to be tagged, and will always take my chances on the open road....."drifts off to the set of Easyrider......"

All I want out of this game is fun, and I have made many non tagged friends doing so.

 

[AERO_HDT]

Any chance of the OP naming names? He clearly stated its disgusting what he sees taking place ... surely the disgusting GTP tagged racers have names and naming them will be ample fuel for the fight he is so looking forward too

Unfortunately I have not raced the OP as his crappy connection kicks me everytime I end up on the grid with him .. so I know he has not seen my driving 1st hand.

Let's make a few things clear. I am NOT making remarks about DRIVING. I'm making remarks about what certain people at GTPlanet THINK of of non-tagged drivers. I'm not going to name people. That's not what I do. Go and have a read of some posts, they've got their names and avatars listed right next to them.

My OP and point was that I see these remarks pop up all the time about 'Had a race with a bunch of crappy non-GTP guys.' It's got nothing to do with people's driving or how they treat people on the track. It's got to do with how some GTP-ers slag off non-tagged drivers on this forum when they post.

Unfortunately my connection is crappy at the moment, Mr P, and I don't have a problem with your driving. I never will because you're a GTP-er and you know how to handle yourself online.

My online tag is AERO-HDT, I'm kind enough to refer to you by name when I post, I hope you have the respect to do so also, instead of just calling me the 'OP'.

Thanks.

 

[Mr P]

Yep I stand corrected .. somehow I read it differently earlier
Next time I will open my eyes and double check the original post before I reply 👍

The crappy connection comment was only because I joined you about 3 or 4 times last night and everytime I got the big Elbow after seeing the line up
I will now take my leave of your thread with my tail between my legs and say sorry AERO_HDT my mistake
Cheers
Ron.

 

[GTP_BMF]

As one who was not GTP tagged until recently, I can add my 2 cents to the discussion. I would say in my experience, the MAJORITY of the time I was treated with respect by GTP'ers, and was quite happy racing with them, and found them both competitive and fair. The very slight MINORITY of the time I didn't receive this sort of treatment, I found myself bumped, punted and generally treated more as an inconvenience than a fellow racer. I won't be naming any names, as the good far outweighed the bad, but I WILL say that when I was treated "poorly", it ticked me off quite a bit more than it would have had it been an untagged person. This leads me to my point, which is: if you're tagged, you do have a sort of code to uphold, you're obviously under more scrutiny, and when you don't do so, people are more likely to notice, and it's more likely to p*** them off. Obviously, this is all simply my opinion, take it for what it's worth.

 

[AERO_HDT]

I think GTP_AERO sounds pretty neat

Now I know your original post was not a self-centred thing, so even if you gain more respect on track from GTP tagged drivers, you worry that other unknown drivers may not. I have seen a few examples where posts have been made suggesting that non-tagged members and unknown quantities will not be given the benefit of the doubt, and I disagree with that attitude also, but a lot of online communities are like this in my experience...it helps when your name starts to get 'known'.

But yes, ideally, anyone who races online should be afforded the same respect and consideration regardless of their online handle, and should be given the benefit of the doubt.

I hope this post wasn't a waste of your time, all the best
Synwraith

+1

You hit the nail on the head, Maz.

 

[MrDuck1234]

Im going stick my food in and say, I only have respect for GTP tagged player. Its just because of the fact that they show respect back. I truly can not trust other people on online, for that fact alone i stand by my statement. Im actually bummed out to when im the only GTP person in a race, the chance of me being bumped of is 100% higher than when im racing someone from GTP. Also races with fellow GTPers are just more fun.

 

[91hondawagon]

Im going stick my food in and say, I only have respect for GTP tagged player. Its just because of the fact that they show respect back. I truly can not trust other people on online, for that fact alone i stand by my statement. Im actually bummed out to when im the only GTP person in a race, the chance of me being bumped of is 100% higher than when im racing someone from GTP. Also races with fellow GTPers are just more fun.

So you wouldn't trust, say, Truth123 in a race just because he doesn't sport a GTP tag? There are many tagless members here who are excellent drivers. Sorry, man, but you're setting yourself up for a big flame here.

 

[AERO_HDT]

I'm not going to say anything, I respect Duck's opinion and I applaud his bravery for standing up and saying it.

To you Duck/GTP_Kush, you've proven a point for me today. It takes a big man to go against the grain.

How many other GTP-ers out there feel as Duck does?

 

[Hyper-Dan]

How many other GTP-ers out there feel as Duck does?

Nope, Anyone who shows me respect on the track will get it back. If i nudge someone off i will wait for them, GTP or not. But i will say it is a lot easier to race clean and close with someone you race with a lot, like me and GTP_Stotty or Timppaq, Racer_LP. 👍

 

[Timppaq]

...., but at least to me, it comes down to a matter of innocent until proven guilty Vs dubious until proven clean on track.

In my mind this glues it altogether.. 👍


And mentioning Truth here, I don't think you can use he as an example of non-tagged driver.. lol.

 

[kart racer]

I do feel alot safer when there is other GTP drivers in a race, seems to be a cleaner race. And yes sometimes I do feel like I have a big sign that says "punt here " on my car. I just take a deep breath and continue on.But sometimes you just want to get even.

 

[Earth]

Sorry, but Truth123s dont exist in NTSC. There were some at the beginning but now they are here at GTP.

There are plenty of thuggles though

Tonight non-GTP has punted me or ghosted through me trying to punt me every chance they got.

Why is it wrong to be biased? I don't trust non-GTP and never will

 

[Southend Rage]

Hmmmm, I find that I feel more safe when driving with a GTP member, however I have seen a few bad ones. I will not name these drivers, most of them I never see on the forums anyway, that simply can't drive.

I don't usually get punted myself, if you drive tactically, you can get away.

I don't even see why you lot moan about getting punted so much, usually the rest of the drivers are so rubbish in the race that you can catch up anyway!

 

[kart racer]

I don't even see why you lot moan about getting punted so much, usually the rest of the drivers are so rubbish in the race that you can catch up anyway!

True but it's a pain to get by when their sole reason to be there is to try to take someone out .

 

[angelx]

I don't even see why you lot moan about getting punted so much, usually the rest of the drivers are so rubbish in the race that you can catch up anyway!

I have to disagree with you on that, catching up to the guys that punted you off is usually no problem cause they they usually go off at the next turn, however catching up to competitive racers is another story.

 

[m00ndancer]

As far as having GTP tag users being disrespectful for other drivers (or at least non-tagged ones), I'm sincerely yet to see any of that.

While online, I can't deny the fact that watching a field of people with tags (GTP, GTNDC, GT5net, GTR, GTRP, etc.) makes me feel a lot better on the race I'm about to have, more confident that it'll be a clean race.
But this doesn't mean I'll show no respect for non-tagged drivers. Only difference in my behaviour, at least initially until I know their true intentions, is to be extra-careful when trying to overtake so as to not put myself in a position where I can easily be pushed, or double-checking the mirrors if they're on my tail. After those first impressions, if all goes well, it's as if they were tagged for me.

As Weary said, wearing a tag can be a two edged sword, though I truly believe the good far surpasses the bad in this case.
I've also been under the impression that I'm immediately respected from the point my name is seen on the startup list, which usually makes for better, cleaner races. On the other hand, though it only happened a few times, someone I've never come across before takes the tag as if it meant I'm a punch bag and decides to screw my race as much as possible.

All in all, wearing a tag is not warranty for anything, but at least to me, it comes down to a matter of innocent until proven guilty Vs dubious until proven clean on track.

Plus, it's a great and different way to interact with GTP members outside of these boards. 👍

Agree on most of the points.

I always try to be a gentleman on the track regardless of who I'm racing.
That said, I also expect the race to be less "hit'n run" when racing against tagged people. I'm one of the slower racers around so I do step aside when I feel that I have a faster driver behind me.

 

[Sphinx]

I'll stick my big foot into this hole and start a fight with a few people I know, but this has been bothering me for quite some time. But I get the impression that there are a lot of tagged GTP guys out there who only have respect for fellow taggers.

Now I've made quite a few mates with GTP tags and whilst I never question the integrity of the driving standard, I am beginning to question the morale behind certain drivers (and these people do NOT include my GTP mates). It would appear that they are very one-eyed in their approach to a race and fail to give a great deal of respect or even acknowledgment to anyone they race against who doesn't carry the GTP tag.

This is shameful, arrogant behaviour. Some of you guys should be disgusted because you prance around with your tags thinking that your skills and so-called racing ettiquette makes you superior to everyone else. Very few people have ever been given true acceptance and respect on this board (I could probably count them on ONE hand) and time after time, I keep reading posts about 'non-tagged guys' versus 'us GTP guys'.

It is for this very specific reason that I abhor tags, it lends itself to snobbery far too easily. I gotta say I'd be ashamed to wear a GTP tag and so should a lot of members of this board, most of which are downright cool and great blokes. I don't judge based on tag or not, I judge by what I see out there on the track.

Now take your best shot please and don't hold back because I wanna see what you blokes are really made of.

-Sonny

To be honest, I find your post more offensive and disrespectful than any comments made here about non GTP tagged and non GTP members.

Start from page 1 in the Online races you enjoyed thread and read all the posts that praise many non-tagged GTP drivers and then come back here and reiterate your “ONE hand” claim.

You appear to be getting offended whenever someone says something negative about a non-tagged GTP member because you must feel that they are referring to you in some way. I believe that you need to get over this problem.

I have taken note that you would be "ashamed" to wear the GTP tag, therefore, once private GTP arenas arrive I won’t be too surprised not to get a request from you to join us.

Im going stick my food in and say, I only have respect for GTP tagged player. Its just because of the fact that they show respect back. I truly can not trust other people on online, for that fact alone i stand by my statement. Im actually bummed out to when im the only GTP person in a race, the chance of me being bumped of is 100% higher than when im racing someone from GTP. Also races with fellow GTPers are just more fun.

I'm not going to say anything, I respect Duck's opinion and I applaud his bravery for standing up and saying it.

You claim that you respect Ducks opinion, and yet not the opinions of those who have commented before him {ie, the very comments that you rant about).

You must therefore respect Ducks opinion, but at the same time question his morals, find his comments “shameful”, believe that his behavior is “arrogant”, and “disgusting” whilst he prances around wearing his GTP tag.

Oh well, Duck, never mind. At least he respects your opinion.

Jerry.

 

[Ravenmaven]

I don't think "a lot" GTP'ers show any more or less respect to non tagged racers. Watch some of the race video's posted on these boards. The question of on track ethics with non-GTP tagged racers has been discussed in a couple of threads on this forum if memory serves correct. The general concensus among most GTP drivers seemed to be to race clean and fast no matter what the attitude of other users on the track may be.

 

[AERO_HDT]

To be honest, I find your post more offensive and disrespectful than any comments made here about non GTP tagged and non GTP members.

Start from page 1 in the Online races you enjoyed thread and read all the posts that praise many non-tagged GTP drivers and then come back here and reiterate your “ONE hand” claim.

You appear to be getting offended whenever someone says something negative about a non-tagged GTP member because you must feel that they are referring to you in some way. I believe that you need to get over this problem.

I have taken note that you would be "ashamed" to wear the GTP tag, therefore, once private GTP arenas arrive I won’t be too surprised not to get a request from you to join us.

You claim that you respect Ducks opinion, and yet not the opinions of those who have commented before him {ie, the very comments that you rant about).

You must therefore respect Ducks opinion, but at the same time question his morals, find his comments “shameful”, believe that his behavior is “arrogant”, and “disgusting” whilst he prances around wearing his GTP tag.

Oh well, Duck, never mind. At least he respects your opinion.

Jerry.

I respect Duck's opinion, but I don't agree with it. Plain and simple. Neither do I agree with Earth's opinion that only people who wear a GTP tag are worthy to race against. That's why I created this thread, in the hope of bringing some of these opinions out into the open. I respect my mates too, but that doesn't mean I agree with them on everything and I do question some of the stunts they pull in real life. Just because I respect an opinion doesn't mean I'm not allowed one of my own.

Duck has simply said what I said and made it a little more real.

Don't you find this sort of attitude disheartening Sphinx? Perhaps not.


I do. I find that there is a growing elitist attitude out there that should be reversed and not encouraged. I would have thought that you, as a moderator would understand. Once again, perhaps not.

Perhaps Earth and Duck's opinions are a by-product of racing against less-skilled players, I can see it like that, I can understand why some members of this board are the way they are. But it's a bitter view on a game and a system that's in its infancy and to be honest, a tag should not influence an 'us against them' mentality.

People have a right to be proud of having the GTP name as the forum is an awesome place to hang and get to know people. But certain people think that just because they have three letters in front of their PSN ID that it entitles them to the belittlement of other racers.

Pride?

Or Predjudice?

You decide.

 

[angelx]

I do not think people here go into races with an "us vs them mentality" at all. However, i think this thread boils down to one thing, and that is the first impression one gets from other racers. If you see a GTP tag you know what to expect, sure there will be exceptions and bad apples but for the most part you know they will be as clean and as fast as their abilities allow them to be. It is an undeniable fact that the majority of regular old players (non GTP tag) behave less courteous to other racers in general. I am not talking about them punting just GTP members, but everything in their path.

The GTP tag is something that sets us apart from the rest because GTP members should be held to a higher standard of racing etiquette, it does not however mean we are better than the rest.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, thats why we have discussion forums. I am mostly a reader and don't post very frequently until recently, but i have noticed a lot of criticizing and bashing of opinions. It is alright to have an opinion, it does not mean everyone will agree with it. Let not be so judgmental.

 

[diedro]

As it's already been discussed here I personally have seen massive differences between the quality of racing on PAL and NTSC servers. The PAL side still has punters but not to the same level as the NTSC side. On the PAL side there are some clean/fair racers not holding a tag from a message board. On the NTSC those without a tag are 90% a problem and even many with tags are still. I've never had an issue with GTP tag holders on the PAL side, GTNDC racers have given me issues time to time though. I have had issues with GTP tag holders on the NTSC version as well as members of this board that don't use a GTP_ tag. With all of them though it seems that it's limited to a few rotten apples and doesn't represent any board or team as a whole.

 

[MrDuck1234]

Sorry, but Truth123s dont exist in NTSC. There were some at the beginning but now they are here at GTP.

There are plenty of thuggles though

Tonight non-GTP has punted me or ghosted through me trying to punt me every chance they got.

Why is it wrong to be biased? I don't trust non-GTP and never will

i think that is the only way to look at it +1

 

[homeforsummer]

There are plenty of thuggles though

I actually raced Thuggles again the other day. He seemed a lot calmer than his rep on here made me think he was. Still, it's all relative, and he still bashed into a number of people...

I quite like the fence I'm sitting on, so I'll add to this topic that whilst unlike some people here I don't panic every time I don't see any GTP tagged drivers in a race, but when I do see GTP drivers I look forward to racing them because the chances are it'll be a pretty good race.

In the last number of races I've done online though I've raced against a number of very good non-tagged racers, and at circuits like London where you have to be especially trustful they won't bash you into a barrier.

 

[MrDuck1234]

You must therefore respect Ducks opinion, but at the same time question his morals, find his comments “shameful”, believe that his behavior is “arrogant”, and “disgusting” whilst he prances around wearing his GTP tag.

Oh well, Duck, never mind. At least he respects your opinion.

Jerry.

Im not sure im following what you are saying. I thought this was a forum, where we are able to speak our mind. Just because the answer you got wasn't what you were looking for shouldn't mean you should talk dirt. At least throw back an educated statement to my one. Is not like my shooting of words here to get people angry. I only say what has happened to me.

 

[Sphinx]

Im not sure im following what you are saying. I thought this was a forum, where we are able to speak our mind. Just because the answer you got wasn't what you were looking for shouldn't mean you should talk dirt. At least throw back an educated statement to my one. Is not like my shooting of words here to get people angry. I only say what has happened to me.

If you actually think that my comments were directed at you, then I guess I will have to live with it.

 

[kart racer]

Has anyone noticed that alot of the drivers do not understand that when someone pulls over after the contact that it is a apology.They have been slammed into me while waiting for them to go by.Maybe it is a lack of knowledge about this means of communication. I know that there is no way to get this point across to them at this time, but if you know someone that has not been here before, tell them about us. Hopefully they will tell 2 friends and so on.:idea:Before anyone says that all of there friends know about this site, do what I have been doing. Pick out someone from the race and send them a message, tell them about this site, explain about all the forms on setup's etc. If you are polite about this, you should get a positive response. It is up to us to try and send the message or things will not get any better.

 

[AERO_HDT]

It is an undeniable fact that the majority of regular old players (non GTP tag) behave less courteous to other racers in general. I am not talking about them punting just GTP members, but everything in their path.

Regular old players punting everything in their path? An undeniable fact?

The GTP tag is something that sets us apart from the rest because GTP members should be held to a higher standard of racing etiquette, it does not however mean we are better than the rest.

Let not be so judgmental.

So you're happy to judge other players because they don't have a GTP tag, but then say that we shouldn't be so judgemental? You also say that the GTP tag sets us apart from the rest because you're held to a higher standard of racing... is that not saying that you consider yourself morally better than anyone else? Because that's the real issue, the growing attitude that some members of this forum are taking towards the rest of the Gran Turismo online community (please note the word "some").

And by the way Duck, Sphinx's comments were aimed at me, not at you, he was valiantly trying to defend your honour. Couldn't help but have a chuckle at how you misconstrued his post, hehehe!

Come on Sphinx, don't let Duck take the wind out of your sails! I was expecting a harder comeback from you!

 

[homeforsummer]

Pick out someone from the race and send them a message, tell them about this site, explain about all the forms on setup's etc. If you are polite about this, you should get a positive response. It is up to us to try and send the message or things will not get any better.

I've messaged people whos driving etiquette has been 'less than favourable' before. I never fill the message with swearing and abuse, only a veiled suggestion that their driving wasn't up to scratch and that it was annoying being punted off by them.

Interestingly, on a number of occasions I've actually received apologies, which is surprising because these people don't have to apologise, or even reply. Okay, I've had some lame excuses from them before "I was tired/new to the car/my controller wasn't working properly" (none of which really stick when they don't brake behind you or turn into you on a straight...) but they must have some humility to take the time to apologise to someone they don't know about how they were racing.