Bloated Car List

[Jimmy_Pop]

Sorry Mods if this has been posted, you may remove if it was.

So I was bored today and played with Excel a little bit and found out just how many dupes there are on many of the cars (I understand to a point some of the dupes for *Major differences):

NSX, NSX-R: 34
Corvette's: 18
Integra's: 9
S2000: 27... how much really changed in it's short life?
Civic: 16, plus 2 CRX and CRZ's each
RX-7: 31
Euno, Miata, MX-5, Roadster's: 46... serioulsy why?
RX-8: 7
3000GT (all variant): 12
Mitsu FTO's: 8
Mitsu GTO's: 12
Lancer's: 27
GT-R (all variants, R32,33,34,35): 64
Fairlady's (only): 15
Silvia's: 18
Impreza's: (all variants): 29
Legacy's: 9
Prius: 4... why more than 0?
Supra's: 33
NASCAR's (all brands): 33

Hope you enjoyed my bored hour of free time. Any questions or comments, let me know, or if there is a request, I can look up.

 

[bluecharger]

Corvette's: 18

Did you include the Morrison '60 Vette in that?

 

[Dagger311]

I'm cool with the corvettes, although highly biased. All the other we could ditch most of them in my opinion.

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

Did you include the Morrison '60 Vette in that?

I imported the list from the gt website and then split each word to a column, set Excel to search a word. As long as it said "Corvette" and not "Vette", it was included.

The reason I did it that way was to get all the special versions, like "Spoon", and to get all the NSX's, Honda, Acura, etc.

I did not compile Camaro's yet, if I do I will need to be diligent of the Red Devil.

Thank you for your feedback, it is much appreciated. ~ Jimmy Pop

 

[MXH]

S2000: 27... how much really changed in it's short life?

Yet, still no (Spoon) hardtop model. PD makes me sad.

 

[Bluntified]

Supra's: 33

33 Supras?

 

[Tornado]

It sounds like you're doing it the same way this guy did it, which isn't the correct way to go through the list to see which ones are duplicates.

 

[CinnamonOD]

Prius: 4... why more than 0?

Going serious..

I'm not a fan of bloated games, that's why I'm still thinking on buying BF3 and 4 even though a lot of friends have those games, GT has a bloated car list, which I don't like.

But other aspects of the game make enjoy it

 

[86Debris86]

With the NASCAR's wouldn't it have been better to just have the 3 or so models that compete and just have the liveries as paint options?

The only dupes that really bother me are the Skyline's and the MX-5's/Miata's.

 

[CinnamonOD]

With the NASCAR's wouldn't it have been better to just have the 3 or so models that compete and just have the liveries as paint options?

The cars have different models, take a close look to one car and look at another and you'll see minor differences, just like with Super GT cars

 

[86Debris86]

The cars have different models, take a close look to one car and look at another and you'll see minor differences, just like with Super GT cars

Fair enough. I meant to ask does one model change from team to team? I assume from this, they do? I'm aware different teams use different models but if two teams use the same model are they different to eachother?

For instance; Team X and Team Y both use car Z. Is Team X's car different to Team Y's?

 

[Tornado]

Yes. Some of the 2010 cars weren't even the same configuration team to team (some were superspeedway, some were short track, etc.), though I don't think any of the differences are that drastic in any of the 2011/2013 ones.

 

[TexRex]

Investigate the Eunos/MX-5/Miata a little bit more and you'll see differences in engine capacity, weight, and even special color packages. These are differences that are much more apparent than those seen merely in a database. And frankly I would actually like to see more NASCAR variants in the form of base models for each of the 2013 manufacturers, due to the obvious allegiances fans have and the possibility of seeing a grid made up exclusively of Jeff Gordon cars. Obviously there would still be a possibility, but a hardcore fan would be more likely to use a base model with his or her own color choice than one driven by an opposing racer.

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

It sounds like you're doing it the same way this guy did it, which isn't the correct way to go through the list to see which ones are duplicates.

Hence why I made my disclaimer, that there are some actual changes with some of the cars in the list above. No need for 40 something of a very similar car, when 10 or so would have done the trick. Most of the Corvettes have actual differences, which is because it is an American car. Say what you want, this game is heavily weighted on those cars that hail from Japan.

33 Supras?

between all the specials, yes.

Investigate the Eunos/MX-5/Miata a little bit more and you'll see differences in engine capacity, weight, and even special color packages. These are differences that are much more apparent than those seen merely in a database. And frankly I would actually like to see more NASCAR variants in the form of base models for each of the 2013 manufacturers, due to the obvious allegiances fans have and the possibility of seeing a grid made up exclusively of Jeff Gordon cars. Obviously there would still be a possibility, but a hardcore fan would be more likely to use a base model with his or her own color choice than one driven by an opposing racer.

I understand to a point, but it would be like putting in every Mustang in the game since inception. All engine vairents of all generations. You could make a list of 50 cars to which 10 will do. As far as colors, why make seperate cars like the Skyline MNP's?

Don't get me wrong, I still love the game, I just find it funny when they claim 1200+ when they really have about 400-600 at best. One may or may not agree that you could remove 150-200 cars, and they not be missed because of the dupes.

 

[Vegard]

One may or may not agree that you could remove 150-200 cars, and they not be missed because of the dupes.

You and I might not miss them but someone would.
Look; I can't really fathom why anyone would insist on driving a geographically badged version, or a special trim version of a particular car but that is beside the point, which is: What would be gained by removing them?

 

[TexRex]

Hence why I made my disclaimer, that there are some actual changes with some of the cars in the list above. No need for 40 something of a very similar car, when 10 or so would have done the trick. Most of the Corvettes have actual differences, which is because it is an American car. Say what you want, this game is heavily weighted on those cars that hail from Japan.



between all the specials, yes.



I understand to a point, but it would be like putting in every Mustang in the game since inception. All engine vairents of all generations. You could make a list of 50 cars to which 10 will do. As far as colors, why make seperate cars like the Skyline MNP's?

Don't get me wrong, I still love the game, I just find it funny when they claim 1200+ when they really have about 400-600 at best. One may or may not agree that you could remove 150-200 cars, and they not be missed because of the dupes.

To be fair, it's a game crafted primarily by Japanese developers and I think they reserve the right to expound on models of Japanese origin but not of American or European. Plus Kazunori actually races a GT-R, so it's a safe bet he's a fan. I agree we could do without a bunch--I wouldn't miss the smaller displacement NB roadster or most of the GT-Rs--but if they're there already it seems silly to remove them. Regarding the GT-R M.N.P., even the full name indicates that it's a 'Special Color Package' variant of the base R34 Skyline GT-R and as such was available in limited numbers (there have been Mustangs and F-150s that got similar treatment, as I recall). I'm not in complete agreement or disagreement an most counts, but I do agree that that 1200 figure was juiced a bit.

Oh and I currently count 12 Supra models from memory, 13 if you count the Celica XX which sold as a Celica Supra elsewhere.

MA70
JZA70
JZA80 n/a
JZA80 TT
Denso SARD GT500
au Cerumo GT500
Tom's WOODONE GT500
YellowHat GT500
Castrol GT500 x3
GT500 Base Model

 

[Mustangmiha]

Prius: 4

... why more than 0?

I don't see what would be wrong with at least one Prius in GT.

NSX, NSX-R: 34
S2000: 27
Civic: 16
RX-7: 31
Miatas: 46
3000GT (all variant): 12
Mitsu FTO's: 8
Mitsu GTO's: 12
Lancer's: 27
GT-R (all variants, R32,33,34,35): 64
Fairladies (only): 15
Silvias: 18
Imprezas: (all variants): 29
Supras: 33

Jesus Christ

 

[Samus]

There are 11 actual, different small Mazda sports cars in the game. Many of them have very small differences, but they're technically different. The issue, and why there are 33 of them (Not counting the race mod ones), is because back in GT1-GT4 days each region got a different game. If you bought the Japanese version of GT4, you got Mazda Roadsters. If you bought in in NA, you got Mazda MX-5 Miatas and if you bough it in Europe and Australasia you got Mazda MX-5s. All the same cars, with different names in those regions.

So then GT5 comes around and they decide that everyone in the world gets the same game this time, same car list. So what they did is instead of just selecting one of the names and adding 11 cars to the game, they just added them all, all three name variations.

This is also the case for a lot of other cars that have different names in different regions. PD kept them all.

The sensible, logical thing to do would be to merge them all into one model, counted as one car in the car list, but offer you a choice of name when you buy it. But that wouldn't be the PD way, because 1200 cars. Marketing.

You and I might not miss them but someone would.
Look; I can't really fathom why anyone would insist on driving a geographically badged version, or a special trim version of a particular car but that is beside the point, which is: What would be gained by removing them?

The gain is people aren't misled by marketing numbers. The game advertises 1200 cars so you think great, that's a huge amount of cars that'll keep me going for years. They're bound to have something for everyone with that many different cars in the game. Then they play it, and see all the dupes and that no, the car list isn't quite as big and diverse as the marketing guys made out.

 

[SnakeOfBacon]

I'm fine with these dupes (but would be happier if they all shared variations of a Premium car model (only one NA and one NC MX-5 are Premium, why? Copying and pasting that model and changing the colour of the roof and the specs would yield many different cars, I hope they do this for more cars in future sequels, as it's a lot less work for a product that's still really good, case in point: LFA Nurburgring Edition, it's only an LFA with slightly more power and a few aero bits, but it's still a unique car.)

The only ones that I simply don't understand are the exact same car going under 2 or 3 regional names, e.g. Renault Clio and Lutecia, and the MX-5/Miata/Roadster problem.

 

[Mustangmiha]

There are 11 actual, different small Mazda sports cars in the game. Many of them have very small differences, but they're technically different. The issue, and why there are 33 of them (Not counting the race mod ones), is because back in GT1-GT4 days each region got a different game. If you bought the Japanese version of GT4, you got Mazda Roadsters. If you bought in in NA, you got Mazda MX-5 Miatas and if you bough it in Europe and Australasia you got Mazda MX-5s. All the same cars, with different names in those regions.

So then GT5 comes around and they decide that everyone in the world gets the same game this time, same car list. So what they did is instead of just selecting one of the names and adding 11 cars to the game, they just added them all, all three name variations.

This is also the case for a lot of other cars that have different names in different regions. PD kept them all.

The sensible, logical thing to do would be to merge them all into one model, counted as one car in the car list, but offer you a choice of name when you buy it. But that wouldn't be the PD way, because 1200 cars. Marketing.

Why not just put one NA, NB and NC, each with the bestest engine and that's it? Especially since only three Miatas are premium (zero NBs), why would anyone collect tens of same, standard little Japanese cabrios is beyond me.

 

[TexRex]

I don't see what would be wrong with at least one Prius in GT.



Jesus Christ

I liked @Famine 's take in the Moderator Roundtable GTP Podcast regarding the Prius' place in the game, though I don't exactly recall what it was at this time.

 

[TexRex]

Why not just put one NA, NB and NC, each with the bestest engine and that's it? Especially since only three Miatas are premium (zero NBs), why would anyone collect tens of same, standard little Japanese cabrios is beyond me.

The NA 1597 has its place, especially when it was the original.

Sorry as usual for multi-posting, I haven't figured out how to paste a quote into an edited message using the PS3 browser.

 

[Mustangmiha]

I liked @Famine 's take in the Moderator Roundtable GTP Podcast regarding the Prius' place in the game, though I don't exactly recall what it was at this time.

Whatever it was, GT offered much weirder cars in its franchise (Pod, Daimlers from 19th century, 2202 Nike), Prius is just another car you see everyday so why not to let it be in GT6.

 

[Samus]

I mean think of it like this, I say to you that for just £100 you can drive 50 cars around a track all day, as long as you like. Sounds great right, 50 cars, a day at a track? Wouldn't you then be a little bit disappointing if you paid your money, turned up and found 5 cars, with 10 slightly different models of each? Sure the difference with this analogy is that a car list is available in advance for the game but not everyone reads those online, they're not printed on the box in the store or listed on the online listing. For a lot of people the first time they find out is playing the game.

That is the issue of including dupe cars. They, well, dupe people.

 

[Mustangmiha]

I mean think of it like this, I say to you that for just £100 you can drive 50 cars around a track all day, as long as you like. Sounds great right, 50 cars, a day at a track? Wouldn't you then be a little bit disappointing if you paid your money, turned up and found 5 cars, with 10 slightly different models of each? Sure the difference with this analogy is that a car list is available in advance for the game but not everyone reads those online, they're not printed on the box in the store or listed on the online listing. For a lot of people the first time they find out is playing the game.

That is the issue of including dupe cars. They, well, dupe people.

But it's just a game, I doubt you'd see any difference between 1.6 and 1.8 engine of the same car.

 

[Samus]

But it's just a game, I doubt you'd see any difference between 1.6 and 1.8 engine of the same car.

Eh? Aren't we agreeing here? I'm confused.

 

[Mustangmiha]

Eh? Aren't we agreeing here? I'm confused.

It's kinda late so I'm a little bit foggy. I think I was agreeing with you.

 

[TexRex]

But it's just a game, I doubt you'd see any difference between 1.6 and 1.8 engine of the same car.

Having driven both the 1597 and 1839 Miatas in real life, and driven them hard, I can testify the change is apparent. My 1839 is up to 1902cc now, a substantially smaller increase than the production model, and even that bump without an increase in airflow over the stock displacement head job gave it a swift kick in the pants.

 

[Mustangmiha]

Having driven both the 1597 and 1839 Miatas in real life, and driven them hard, I can testify the change is apparent. My 1839 is up to 1902cc now, a substantially smaller increase than the production model, and even that bump gave it a swift kick in the pants.

I agree with you, but consider that a lot of GT users haven't even driven a car (they'll probably tune the to the max too so the difference won't be noticeable at all).

 

[Samus]

Once you put them in order it's easy to work out the unique cars, and which are different only in name. Bold cars are unique italic are the name copies. Whether any of the bold need to go is debatble as they're not technically dupes, the italic ones absolutely need to go, on way or another.

Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89
Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
Mazda MX-5 Miata (NA) '89

Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited (NA) '91
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited (NA, J) '91
Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited (NA, J) '91

Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited II (NA) '93
Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special Type II (NA) '93
Mazda MX-5 Miata V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
Mazda MX-5 V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93

Mazda Eunos Roadster S-Special Type I (NA) '95
Mazda MX-5 Miata S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
Mazda MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
Mazda Eunos Roadster VR-Limited (NA) '95
Mazda MX-5 Miata VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
Mazda MX-5 VR-Limited (NA, J) '95

Mazda Eunos Roadster SR-Limited (NA) '97
Mazda MX-5 Miata SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97

Mazda MX-5 1.8 RS (NB, J) '98
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1.8 RS (NB, J) '98
Mazda Roadster 1.8 RS (NB) '98

Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '00
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '00
Mazda Roadster 1800 RS (NB) '00

Mazda MX-5 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04
Mazda Roadster 1600 NR-A (NB) '04

Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
Mazda Roadster 1800 RS (NB) '04

Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07