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Investigate the Eunos/MX-5/Miata a little bit more and you'll see differences in engine capacity, weight, and even special color packages.
Which are largely irrelevant, because PD fabricated those differences for the majority of them.


There are 11 actual, different small Mazda sports cars in the game.
Actually just 7. The other 4 of the JDM models are just color and/or wheel packages.
 
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Which are largely irrelevant, because PD fabricated those differences for the majority of them.



Actually just 7. The other 4 of the JDM models are just color and/or wheel packages.
Which bit were fabricated? (I'm being serious, I'd like information.) I'm aware of two unique engines among NA and NB models: the 1597cc and the 1839cc, both of which had different features depending on the region in which they were marketed. There were touring packages which likely added weight. And there were special body/top color combinations for the NA 1.8 VR (Artvin Red with a tan top and Excellent Green with a green top) that, I believe, were exclusive to Japan market. Yeah these may make up too many variations for the same basic car in a driving game, but they're there.
 
If it doesn't say "Roadster" in the name, PD made the car up; so any differences those non-Roadsters have to the Roadsters are completely arbitrary.
 
Roadster refers to a model marketed by Mazda's Eunos branch, much like a Regal is marketed by GM's Buick branch (in lieu of a Chevrolet Monto Carlo or Oldsmobile Cutlass). The NA chassis served the Mazda Miata in the US, Mazda MX-5 in Europe, and Eunos Roadster in Japan. I don't have the game up at the moment but I don't recall seeing a Roadster without Eunos in its name, except for the NC.
 
I'm aware of that. That doesn't make any difference for how completely made up the Miatas and MX-5s in the game still all are.
 
I'm aware of that. That doesn't make any difference for how completely made up the Miatas and MX-5s in the game still all are.
I still believe you are just talking non-sense, @TexRex is right and PD exploited that fact for a cheap way to add more cars, but they are still real.
 
There's no ruse at all. Out of those 33 Miata/MX-5/Roadster models, the only ones that actually existed in real life are the Roadster models. The other 22 are fake; cynical and lazy copy paste jobs by PD to make the car list bigger with no effort put in to make sure that an equivalent model actually existed in the country that the car was sold as a Miata or MX-5. There is no such thing as a Mazda Miata VR-Limited. There is no such thing as a Mazda MX-5 VR Limited. There is a such thing as a Mazda (Eunos) Roadster VR-Limited. All three are in the game as if all three existed.

They did the same thing with the Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT MR wasn't a thing), the same thing with the S2000 (S2000 Type V USDM), the same thing with the RX-7s (USDM 1991 FD RX-7), the same thing with the Vauxhalls (Vauxhall Calibra/Astra DTM) and the same thing with the Renaults (Lutecia V6 Trophy). There's even a couple Lexus models where they did it (GS300 Vertex Edition), even though in GT2 they went out of their way to do that brand properly with that game.


I still believe you are just talking non-sense, @TexRex is right and PD exploited that fact for a cheap way to add more cars, but they are still real.
That's nice. It's too bad this has been a known issue ever since GTPSP, though.
 
I'm aware of that. That doesn't make any difference for how completely made up the Miatas and MX-5s in the game still all are.
I hate to be the one to tell you but my Aunt drives one of those "made up" MX-5's to work every day. Pretty sure it's real.
 
There's no ruse at all. Out of those 33 Miata/MX-5/Roadster models, the only ones that actually existed in real life are the Roadster models. The other 22 are fake; cynical and lazy copy paste jobs by PD to make the car list bigger with no effort put in to make sure that an equivalent model actually existed in the country that the car was sold as a Miata or MX-5. There is no such thing as a Mazda Miata VR-Limited. There is no such thing as a Mazda MX-5 VR Limited. There is a such thing as a Mazda (Eunos) Roadster VR-Limited.

They did the same thing with the Mitsubishi GTO, the same thing with the S2000, the same thing with the RX-7s, the same thing with the Vauxhalls and the same thing with the Renaults. There's even a couple Lexus models where they did it, even though in GT2 they went out of their way to do it properly with that game.

Mate, those cars are no more real than you are. Until you provide us some fact, that is.
 
There's no ruse at all. Out of those 33 Miata/MX-5/Roadster models, the only ones that actually existed in real life are the Roadster models. The other 22 are fake; cynical and lazy copy paste jobs by PD to make the car list bigger with no effort put in to make sure that an equivalent model actually existed in the country that the car was sold as a Miata or MX-5. There is no such thing as a Mazda Miata VR-Limited. There is no such thing as a Mazda MX-5 VR Limited. There is a such thing as a Mazda (Eunos) Roadster VR-Limited.

They did the same thing with the Mitsubishi GTO, the same thing with the S2000, the same thing with the RX-7s, the same thing with the Vauxhalls and the same thing with the Renaults. There's even a couple Lexus models where they did it, even though in GT2 they went out of their way to do it properly with that game.



That's nice. It's too bad this has been a known issue ever since GTPSP, though.
There are 3 regions of cars that they are looking at, just because you only care about the Asian region "roadsters" doesn't mean that the rest of the world doesn't have any cars that go by different names. Please get off your high horse and realize that you are wrong. We are only trying to help.
 
I hate to be the one to tell you but my Aunt drives one of those "made up" MX-5's to work every day. Pretty sure it's real.
Then, if she has one of the Japanese Domestic Market only limited editions (which the majority of the Roadster models in the game are, 1989 model excepting), she had it imported and rebadged or bought it after someone else already had. It's not a particularly uncommon practice in Europe since import laws are so lax.

Mate, those cars are no more real than you are. Until you provide us some fact, that is.
If the car has a "J" in the name, it denotes a JDM model. If a car has that "J" in the name but is also given the export market model name (as seen in the Lexus GS300 Vertex Edition), then that car did not exist in real life because they didn't sell it in Japan with that name and they didn't offer a Japan-only trim level outside of Japan.

There are 3 regions of cars that they are looking at, just because you only care about the Asian region "roadsters" doesn't mean that the rest of the world doesn't have any cars that go by different names.
That's nice. Those cars that go by different names weren't sold in their JDM form in the EDM or USDM. We occasionally got similar special edition models, and I know Britain got even more than we did. But neither market got the ones that the game claims that were sold.

Please get off your high horse and realize that you are wrong. We are only trying to help.
Spreading incorrect information is a pretty lousy way of "helping".
 
@Tornado I think I know what you're getting at. It's wrong to make an MX5 and Miata version of a Roadster if that version was only available as the Roadster. Is that it?

And btw my Aunt bought her MX-5, brand new, 6 years ago, from a Mazda dealership.
 
What I believe Tornado is getting at, and he can feel free to correct If I'm wrong, is that rather than getting the details correct on the versions sold in other regions as Miata's and MX5s they just copied the name of the Japanese version.

Example

Mazda Eunos Roadster VR-Limited (NA) '95

Exists, it was a real model in Japan.

Mazda MX-5 Miata VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
Mazda MX-5 VR-Limited (NA, J) '95


Don't exist. They just added the European/North American name to the Japanese car model. Yes, the car in general existed as an MX-5 but not that specific model.

I believe.
 
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Then, if she has one of the Japanese Domestic Market only limited editions (which the majority of the Roadster models are, 1989 model excepting), she had it imported and rebadged or bought it after someone else had.


I'll make this quite simple for you. If the car has a "J" in the name, it denotes a JDM model. If a car has that "J" in the name but is given the export market model name (as seen in the Lexus GS300 Vertex Edition), then that car did not exist in real life.


That's nice. Those cars that go by different names weren't sold in their JDM form in the EDM or USDM. We occasionally got similar special edition models, and I know Britain got even more than we did. But neither market got the ones that the game claims that were sold.


Spreading incorrect information is a pretty lousy way of "helping".

Alright I'm going to take you for a troll and this is going to be my last post for today and I'm going to bed. I'd suggest to the other folks the same (the former part).
 
What I believe Tornado is getting at, and he can feel free to correct If I'm wrong, is that rather than getting the details correct on the versions sold in other regions as Miata's and MX5s they just copied the name of the Japanese version.

Example

Mazda Eunos Roadster VR-Limited (NA) '95

Exists, it was a real model in Japan.

Mazda MX-5 Miata VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
Mazda MX-5 VR-Limited (NA, J) '95


Don't exist. They just added the European/North American name to the Japanese car model.

I believe.
Example of how this thinking is correct is the steering wheel location. On a side note, until playing GT5, I never heard an MX-5/Miata called a Roadster.
 
He isn't trolling. See what I posted above.
GTP isn't updating the page automatically so I didn't see it. And yeah I think I get it now, if he expressed his opinion like you did then there probably wouldn't be a ruckus like this.
 
Then prove how you are NOT wrong?
Because the fact that the Japanese/Europe/American model divide of Roadster/MX-5/Miata is true has no bearing on how the Japanese market only limited edition models (which the VR-Limited, J-Limited, J-Limited II, SR-Limited, V-Special, etc.) were not sold in the countries that called the car "Miata" or "MX-5." But GTPSP, GT5 and GT6's car lists have all acted as if all three cars were separate things. Meaning the only versions of the cars in the game that have those trim levels applied which actually existed are the Roadster models.

if he expressed his opinion like you did then there probably wouldn't be a ruckus like this.
You mean like when I said (and you quoted) "There is no such thing as a Mazda Miata VR-Limited. There is no such thing as a Mazda MX-5 VR Limited. There is a such thing as a Mazda (Eunos) Roadster VR-Limited."
 
I blame the time difference from the U.S. to Europe for my slow understanding here. So what if that doesn't make any sense?! :D
 
I blame the time difference from the U.S. to Europe for my slow understanding here. So what if that doesn't make any sense?! :D
Of all of the MX-5 and MX-5 Miata's, the only ones the US and Europe received were the "base model" ones like the '89 NA, the 1.8 NB and 1800 NB models. Europe also received the 1600 NB but the US did not. This is what I now believe @Tornado was getting at. Does this help @86Debris86?
 
Of all of the MX-5 and MX-5 Miata's, the only ones the US and Europe received were the "base model" ones like the '89 NA, the 1.8 NB and 1800 NB models. Europe also received the 1600 NB but the US did not. This is what I now believe @Tornado was getting at. Does this help @86Debris86?
It's cool, I got it thanks :). Just took me a while :dunce: :lol:.
 
Okay I get it now that specifics have been used. NA Miatas were never sold in the US equipped with the 1839, nor were **-Limited models. I honestly didn't notice those options were listed for cars of all regions having only associated them with the Eunos Roadster (the eyes see what they want to see). Now I completely agree that there are non-existent models that have no place in the game regardless of personal preference. I was right to request more information in my reply to your first post @Tornado and I apologize if I contributed to the confusion.

On to the "33 Supras." :lol:
 
I apologize with @TexRex because we were not understanding it how you meant it. If you would have started off being more clear, then it would have made more sense.
You mean like when I said (and you quoted) "There is no such thing as a Mazda Miata VR-Limited. There is no such thing as a Mazda MX-5 VR Limited. There is a such thing as a Mazda (Eunos) Roadster VR-Limited."
 
Outside of JGTC, I found only 4 Supras in the Official Car list (I seriously thought there would be more)

Toyota SUPRA 2.5GT Twin Turbo R ’90
Toyota SUPRA 3.0GT Turbo A ’88
Toyota SUPRA RZ ’97
Toyota SUPRA SZ-R ’97

And these cars are all most definitely real.
Yep...JZA70, MA70, JZA80 TT, and JZA80 n/a respectively, just as I listed earlier when I counted 12.
 

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