Blu-Ray = Betamax? Maybe not...

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As some of you have probably seen, there's been a bit of debate over this.. mostly by Xbox fans trying to downplay PS3's Blu-Ray by saying it's just a repeat of the Betamax format from the '70s.

I've been doing some quick research, and have come up with some interesting facts that blow most of the "Betamax all over again" arguments right out the window.

It seems to be a common misconception about Beta vs VHS that VHS was cheaper, as HD-DVD is cheaper. This actually wasn't the case.. both the players and the tapes were about the same between the two.

It IS true that Beta was the "superior" format from a technological point. On paper, it's image quality was superior to that of VHS, but on actual televisions, this difference went completely unnoticed. So it may have been better, but it wasn't THAT much better. And, in fact, it had lower-quality audio than VHS, until they released a "Betamax Hi-Fi" version after the launch of VHS. Remember "hi-fi"? How quaint.. hehe.

Market penetration: In fact, Beta was first. Their initial market penetration was 100%.

So what killed them? Two things killed them, and porn was not one of them, at least not directly, and not in regards to cost:

1) Licensing problems. For whatever reason, Sony had the damndest time getting other companies to make Beta players and tapes. When VHS launched, it was simply outnumbered, as JVC was able to get more people on-board from the start.

2) And this is the big one... Storage Space. VHS could hold two hours of video (i.e. one feature-length movie). Beta could hold only ONE hour of video. Which meant if you wanted to tape a movie off of television (which was the primary draw of both Beta and VHS), your only real option was VHS. With Beta, you'd have to swap tapes halfway through. I believe this also killed off the movie-rental/sales business for Beta, since movies would have to be on two tapes instead of just one, as VHS movies were. THIS is why the porn industry chose VHS.. not because of cost, but because they could fit two hours of smut on a single tape. In a way, it did come down to cost, but only in that they'd have to spend money on more tapes to get the stuff out to market.

To summarize, the current "war" between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is almost entirely different than the Beta/VHS war of two decades ago. The two things that killed Beta are NOT present in Blu-Ray. And, in fact, the more important of those reasons, storage space, now belongs to HD-DVD.

All this information is right there on the web.. just do a Google for "betamax vhs", you'll find three or four sites right on the first page of results. Wikipedia has several good articles on the subject.

You'll hear them continue to tout on the "lower cost" of HD-DVD compared to Blu-Ray. But what good is that lower cost, really? That really IS like the Betamax thing... Hollywood could easily end up spending more on HD-DVD films. If you have to use two HD-DVDs for a movie + extras, whereas Blu-Ray could hold it all on one disc... it actually becomes cheaper to use Blu-Ray. Let's say that an HD-DVD costs 7.5¢. A Blu-Ray disc costs 10¢ (these are off the top of my head, not official numbers). If they're forced to use two discs with HD-DVD, it now costs 5¢ more per copy of the film to manufacture. That may not sound like a lot, but if they manufacture ten million copies of the film... That's $500,000 extra spent on the HD-DVD version. Which do you think they'll choose? Which do you think the porn industry will choose? That's why they went with VHS, remember.
 
That's all fine and dandy. The main issue this time around is in manufacturers. In theory, dvd stamping facilities only need to do some minor firmware tweaks on their equipment to make them Blu-Ray compatible. Compare that with replacing all your stamping machines which run over $10k apiece (that's for a small machine intended for smaller businesses - not big factories) in order to run Blu-Ray.

This time, the big difference is in the backers of the technologies. Sony owns almost a third of the major movie studios. That allows them to make their own choices in what happens. However, the other 2/3 of the industry can go any which way they like. Quality isn't an issue since these are digital storage devices, the cost will be the ultimate deciding factor. Spend millions in upgrading the plants for the long term benefit of holding massive amounts of data? Or spend a little now and decide later.
 
On thing that concerns me is...

Doesn't HD-DVD seem like a "for now" fix?

Think about it. A triple layer disc, is only 45GB. Three layers? 45GB will hold what, a two hour movie and maybe an hour of special footage?

So then we're looking at big movies. Let's say something the size of LOTR. They had what, 6 hours of extra footage?

So let's say down the road, someone makes a "Hobbit" movie, and it's in HD around 2.5 to 3 hours, and has HD extra content. Now we have to use two to three triple layer HD-DVD's. Doesn't sound wonderful.

On Blu-Ray, we can live through much more freedom, more space, and have room for the future. Who's to say that better encoding doesn't come along, but it requires more space? Or who's to say that better surround sound comes along, but needs more space? Blu-Ray gives us that benifit NOW rather than deciding later.

The smart choice, IMO, is clear, but everyone is looking at the NOW instead of the long term. Even the big wig movie people.
 
The Anti PS3 fanboys dont like Blu-Ray, everyone else does. And the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD is more like the DVD vs. VHS. DVD is huge, but you can still get VHS as an option.
 
tha_con
The smart choice, IMO, is clear, but everyone is looking at the NOW instead of the long term. Even the big wig movie people.
Consider the long term expense behind it. Save yourself millions on HD-DVD or spend on retrofitting factories around the world. That'll result in less profits unless the companies decide to raise the price of their movies. If the prices go up, customers will be slow to catch on meaning prices will have to be higher still if they want to turn a profit. While I do agree that Blu-Ray is the better choice, the expense behind it is extremely high whereas hd-dvd will cost companies next to nothing to upgrade to.

You also have to keep in mind that both formats are newcomers to the market. When the players hit store shelves, the majority of households that have them will be houses with the new consoles. Few other people out there will even bother with the prohibitive expense of players that can handle the new format (currently $300ish US for a decent High Def DVD player that only does dvds with high def content - not hd-dvd). At that cost, it'll be years till either format gains market dominance. That time for companies on blu ray will ultimately mean reduced profits for several years.

Technologically speaking, the clear choice is Blu Ray. Economically though, the only viable option at the moment is HD-DVD.

German Muscle
The Anti PS3 fanboys dont like Blu-Ray, everyone else does. And the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD is more like the DVD vs. VHS. DVD is huge, but you can still get VHS as an option.
Read my posts. Care to explain the first part?

How about the second? Blu Ray and HD-DVD are NOTHING like comparing DVD to VHS. DVD is superior in every way imagineable. The image quality is higher, the data is digital, there is no degredation over time, it's cheaper to make and standard DVDS can be burnt with HD content. BLU-Ray and HD-DVD differ in only 2 respects - The maximum data storage capability, and the initial cost of acquiring equipment.
 
emad
Read my posts. Care to explain the first part?

How about the second? Blu Ray and HD-DVD are NOTHING like comparing DVD to VHS. DVD is superior in every way imagineable. The image quality is higher, the data is digital, there is no degredation over time, it's cheaper to make and standard DVDS can be burnt with HD content. BLU-Ray and HD-DVD differ in only 2 respects - The maximum data storage capability, and the initial cost of acquiring equipment.
Sorry i worded it wrong. I meant to say thats what i think it will be like after they come out. Unwad your panties.
 
emad
Consider the long term expense behind it. Save yourself millions on HD-DVD or spend on retrofitting factories around the world. That'll result in less profits unless the companies decide to raise the price of their movies. If the prices go up, customers will be slow to catch on meaning prices will have to be higher still if they want to turn a profit. While I do agree that Blu-Ray is the better choice, the expense behind it is extremely high whereas hd-dvd will cost companies next to nothing to upgrade to.

You also have to keep in mind that both formats are newcomers to the market. When the players hit store shelves, the majority of households that have them will be houses with the new consoles. Few other people out there will even bother with the prohibitive expense of players that can handle the new format (currently $300ish US for a decent High Def DVD player that only does dvds with high def content - not hd-dvd). At that cost, it'll be years till either format gains market dominance. That time for companies on blu ray will ultimately mean reduced profits for several years.

Technologically speaking, the clear choice is Blu Ray. Economically though, the only viable option at the moment is HD-DVD.

No, HD-DVD, in the long term, would cost everyone more money.

HD-DVD is not fitted for long term use, the fact is that one layer is 10GB smaller than Blu-Ray.

My point was, that blu-ray is better suited to last longer when technology advances and new encoding tools and sound systems become available.

Blu-Ray gives us the opportunity to use higher quality with fewer layers and discs, as well as leaves plenty of space open for anything else that might arise.

HD-DVD however, is only a small step in comparison, from standard DVD.

My point was not that it would be cheaper to do Blu-Ray, but that in the long run, we can avoid changing the storage medium so soon. We all know that as time goes by, file sizes get larger.

We all thought DVD would be around forever, and now there is HD content, and DVD is just too small, so why would it be wise to settle on something that is only marginally larger? Blu-Ray is the clear choice, as far as I'm concerned, for longer lasting storage medium.

But again, everyone looks at the "now". "now" refers to the next 3 years or so, while the long term, 5+ years, get's ignored.

We'll see though, but I can promise if HD-DVD becomes the standard, that it will die out faster than DVD did.
 
"Nine leading companies announced that they have jointly established the basic specifications for a next generation large capacity optical disc video recording format called "Blu-ray Disc". The Blu-ray Disc enables the recording, rewriting and play back of up to 27 gigabytes (GB) of data on a single sided single layer 12cm CD/DVD size disc using a 405nm blue-violet laser. The companies that established the basic specifications for the Blu-ray Disc are: Hitachi Ltd., LG Electronics Inc., Matsu****a Electric Industrial Co., Ltd., Pioneer Corporation, Royal Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Sharp Corporation, Sony Corporation, and Thomson Multimedia.
In addition to actively promoting the new format throughout the Industry, the nine companies listed above plan to begin licensing the new format as soon as specifications are completed. Licensing is expected to start around spring 2002.

By employing a short wavelength blue violet laser, the Blu-ray Disc successfully minimizes its beam spot size by making the numerical aperture (NA) on a field lens that converges the laser 0.85. In addition, by using a disc structure with a 0.1mm optical transmittance protection layer, the Blu-ray Disc diminishes aberration caused by disc tilt. This also allows for disc better readout and an increased recording density. The Blu-ray Disc's tracking pitch is reduced to 0.32um, almost half of that of a regular DVD, achieving up to 27 GB high-density recording on a single sided disc.
Because the Blu-ray Disc utilizes global standard "MPEG-2 Transport Stream" compression technology highly compatible with digital broadcasting for video recording, a wide range of content can be recorded. It is possible for the Blu-ray Disc to record digital high definition broadcasting while maintaining high quality and other data simultaneously with video data if they are received together. In addition, the adoption of a unique ID written on a Blu-ray Disc realizes high quality copyright protection functions.

The Blu-ray Disc is a technology platform that can store sound and video while maintaining high quality and also access the stored content in an easy-to-use way. This will be important in the coming broadband era as content distribution becomes increasingly diversified. The nine companies involved in the announcement will respectively develop products that take full advantage of Blu-ray Disc's large capacity and high-speed data transfer rate. They are also aiming to further enhance the appeal of the new format through developing a larger capacity, such as over 30GB on a single sided single layer disc and over 50GB on a single sided double layer disc. Adoption of the Blu-ray Disc in a variety of applications including PC data storage and high definition video software is being considered.

Confused? Read on....

Blue Ray Disc Key Characteristics:

1) Large recording capacity up to 27GB:

By adopting a 405nm blue-violet semiconductor laser, with a 0.85NA field lens and a 0.1mm optical transmittance protection disc layer structure, it can record up to 27GB video data on a single sided 12cm phase change disc. It can record over 2 hours of digital high definition video and more than 13 hours of standard TV broadcasting (VHS/standard definition picture quality, 3.8Mbps)

2) High-speed data transfer rate 36Mbps:

It is possible for the Blu-ray Disc to record digital high definition broadcasts or high definition images from a digital video camera while maintaining the original picture quality. In addition, by fully utilizing an optical disc's random accessing functions, it is possible to easily edit video data captured on a video camera or play back pre-recorded video on the disc while simultaneously recording images being broadcast on TV.

3) Easy to use disc cartridge:

An easy to use optical disc cartridge protects the optical disc's recording and playback phase from dust and fingerprints.

Here is a Specification List of the Blue Ray System:

Main Specifications
Recording capacity: 23.3GB/25GB/27GB
Laser wavelength: 405nm (blue-violet laser)
Lens numerical aperture (NA): 0.85
Data transfer rate: 36Mbps
Disc diameter: 120mm
Disc thickness: 1.2mm (optical transmittance
protection layer: 0.1mm)
Recording format: Phase change recording
Tracking format: Groove recording
Tracking pitch: 0.32um
Shortest pit length: 0.160/0.149/0.138um
Recording phase density: 16.8/18.0/19.5Gbit/inch2
Video recording format: MPEG2 video
Audio recording format: AC3, MPEG1, Layer2, etc.
Video and audio multiplexing format: MPEG2 transport stream
Cartridge dimension: Approximately 129 x 131 x 7mm"

source:- Afterdawn.com - forums

This was posted June 2003, so some things have changed, but the fundemetals are still the same, compared to HD-DVD the BR disks have the potential to be huge,

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"Japanese consumer electronics company Pioneer has, according to Nikkei Business Daily, managed to develop an optical disc that holds 500GB of data each side, making it 20 times bigger than the basic single-layer versions of "next generation" optical discs that are based on blue laser (including Blu-Ray and HD-DVD).

The new technology is apparently based on ultraviolet laser, which has shorter wavelength than the blue laser does, thus making it possible to store data much more efficiently on the disc."
also old news, November 2004.

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"The Research and Markets have released a report regarding the DVD market, covering the players, recorders and next generation products. According to the report, the market is still going strong and predicts growth for the stand-alone DVD recorders. Blu-ray seems to be leading the race for the next generation of optical recording.

DVD recorders are beginning to drive the market for non-PC DVD hardware, a trend that keeps the overall global DVD hardware market on the rise. The DVD recorder market (not including units connected to PCs) doubled in size in 2004 and will grow by 87% in 2005. "In 2004, Japan DVD player shipments declined, while DVD recorders grew by over 100%."
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Three manufacturers are shipping next-generation Blu-ray recorders in Japan, while the first HD-DVD players will be available in the second half of 2005 along with about 90 movie titles. In-Stat expects shipments of next-generation blue laser recorders and players will reach 4 million in 2008, not including video game consoles."
- 23 March 2005

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"While the DVD Double Layer media prices remain sky high and whether we want it or not, the next generation of optical recording is coming our way. Traditional recording media provider TDK at the bleeding edge of recording technology, and has todayd released it's Blu-ray disc TDK Professional Disc (PD-RE23CN).

The TDK Professional Disc, which uses a blue-violet laser with a short wavelength for recording and playback, boasts a capacity of 23.3GB – approximately five times that of DVD media – as well as a rapid transfer rate of 72Mbps. Thanks to its random data access capability and other features available only from optical disc media, it can be expected to find growing acceptance in broadcasting applications.
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Due to the high-density recording required by the Professional Disc System, adherence of any dust on, or scratches to the disc surface can have a serious impact on recording and playback accuracy. By utilizing TDK’s DURABIS PRO, a hard coating technology developed for professional-use discs, TDK’s Professional Disc offers extremely high durability and recording reliability.
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By use of a blue-violet laser with an extremely short 405nm wavelength, a large recording capacity of 23.3GB – about five times that of a DVD disc – is realized on a disc of the same size. In addition, high-sensitivity phase change materials and an optimized layer structure allows for a high-speed transfer rate of 72Mbps (144Mbps with two optical heads) with stabilized recording and playback."
- 19 April 2005,

Now this to me seem a little worring for HD-DVD "Due to the high-density recording required by the Professional Disc System, adherence of any dust on, or scratches to the disc surface can have a serious impact on recording and playback accuracy." As HD-DVD is ment to be cheaper, but also uses a Blue lazer wich will probably have similar problems as BR, but the companies supporting HD-DVD says its alot cheaper to produce disk's, dose this mean that HD-DVD disks will be a problem when recording and reading too? and if so in turn will they have to develope some sort of anti-scratch disk AKA "TDK’s DURABIS PRO", and will this then make the HD-DVD disk smaller in capacity, and just as expspensive to maufacture?

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The President of Matsu****a, Kunio Nakamura said that it is now up to Toshiba to yield its position in talks on a unified next gen DVD format making it clear neither Matsu****a nor their partner Sony will budge. This is just the latest of many signs that talks between the two have hit some problems. Both sides decided to engage in talks earlier this year to attempt to avoid a format war that would cost each side millions of dollars and would discourage consumers from choosing to move to next generation discs.

One key problem is that both sides would prefer a unified standard based on their own disc structure, which is quite understandable since each side has spent enormous sums of money and time to develop it. "The talks continue, they have not collapsed," Nakamura said. "But Matsu****a and Sony have not changed their stance. We are waiting for Toshiba's decision." For several months both sides have bee competing with each other to gain support for their formats.

Blu-ray has one major advantage over HD-DVD; it can hold 50GB which is about 20GB more than HD-DVD. However, firms backing HD-DVD claim that it would cost a lot less to the industry to adopt it because it is very close to the structure of current available discs. Both formats utilize the use of blue lasers, which have much shorter wavelengths than red lasers allowing discs to store data at the higher densities."


will the companies ever get together and make this work, i dont think so not this time around (Sony and Toshiba, had the same discution about DVD format last time around). Will Sony and the other parent comapnies have to back down, who knows what the outcome will be, but being a Playstation fanboy through and through, im with BR. how about you guys?
 
Blu Ray is the way to go. Its whether or not companies will be willing to take a short term loss for the long term result. It also depends on how many companies in the HD-DVD group own companies in the movie industry.
 
Sony will keep plugging there own format till the death......especially as more and more of their electronics are going to support it.......look at the UMD......and Blu Ray......Sony are not just gonna let them become a Betamax situation.......
 
Hey Sprite, take a notice that document you're quoting is like two years old.

As for today, more then 100 companies stand behind BD, and Apple has even snatchecd itself into CEO group with other Big Players.

Blu-Ray is inevitable. Others like it or not.

And just one fact about Beta (BETAmax) - even Beta has failed in home-consumer markets, it made a revolution in professional-maket, making it the one-and-only standard for TV broadcast in almost 2 decades with very bright prospect to the future.

Sony has sold millions of pro-BETA-players and recorders, dozens of millions of cameras and other equipment, zillions of BETA tapes and other Pro accesories. At the and of life-cycle, analogue BETA has been sucessfully replaced with DigitalBETA, advanced standard that ruled the pro-market for past 7 years.

After the Sony's DV revolution (in both "amateur" camcorder market and even more in professional market), DV and DVPro (with bigger casette case, wider tape and Pro specs) has became the next standard, and now the HDV (Hifh Definition) cameras are becoming the standard of the future.

All the licences and techonlogy for BETA, DigitalBETA, DV, DVPro and HDV are Sony's. All the hardware products are made by Sony. Only thing that is licenced are tapes - nad guesss what - every manufactorer pays Sony a fee for every tape manufactorered.

They've maybe lost their battle in home-markets, but I assure you that they've made even more money from Pro market, just because one simple reason - the prices never come down in Pro market. New "old techology" analogue BETA magnetoscope today has almost the same price as 20 years ago. And we're talking thousands of dollars per unit here, not 150$ for fair VHS recorder, as it costs today.

Every TV station in the world uses BETA or DV. More then 70% of movie production in the owrld has been shot on BETA and then transferred to celluliod. Todat, DV and HDV are taking that market.


Comparing other prices between BETA and VHS format make the picture even clearer.

Driven by the assets in BETAmax and Digital formats, Sony made another revolution, this time in Hollywood with 1999. release of world's first ever Digital Movie Camera that records Panavision 70mm format in HD standard, making it the only standard for future of movie-industry.

Sony has never lost. They have won that battle in financial terms with margin that other can only dream about.
 
he's amar. he knows all. great read, bud.
 
Again, the reason why Beta lost out in the home market what the cost of the players. Sony charged too much for their Beta machines, and VHS then came into play.

Despite what was said earlier, you could fit more than just one hour on a sigle Beta tape. Here's the list. As amar212 stated above, Beta rulled the pro gear, but lost out in the home gear. Blu-ray is set to do the same thing, if the home market loses out. But, I don't think that'll happen.

BETAMAX TAPES

L-125 125 ft 30 mins
L-165 165 ft 45 mins
L-250 250 ft 65 mins
L-370 370 ft 95 mins
L-500 500 ft 130 mins
L-750 750 ft 195 mins
L-830 830 ft 215 mins
 
Not a really concerning topic for me, I dont care what format or what disk they choose to use as long as it still reads CDs and DVDs. Plus, I dont want to spend more than $49.99USD for a game, thats a little pricey. if you want to charge more count me out.
 
I agree with emad about hd-dvd being cheaper to produce and also agree with tha_con about blu-ray being future proof, but I just want to add this:

In “Toshiba’s perfect future” hd-dvd will have 100% penetration and so they will own 100% market share. If they decide to join forces with Sony then that future becomes 50% or less market share (well the numbers may be different due to a number of reasons, but you get the picture right?). Is Toshiba willing to sacrifice a done deal with Sony by going “solo”? Well that seems to be the case. Sony is on the same boat; their format may be adopted more for data applications than for media distribution.

I’ll guess the scenario will be more like DVD+ and DVD- than beta/vhs since the players most likely will be compatible with both formats.

BTW hd-dvd being cheaper to produce means more money for the corporations not cheaper media. Since blu-ray IS going to happen (in typical Sony way) I would expect the prices to be similar (by Gbyte)
 
Black95Z28
Not a really concerning topic for me, I dont care what format or what disk they choose to use as long as it still reads CDs and DVDs. Plus, I dont want to spend more than $49.99USD for a game, thats a little pricey. if you want to charge more count me out.

Xbox360 games will be $60

Blu-ray is not standard for games, just the really big ones. Playstation 3 DVD-rom was listed but not PS3 CD-rom :). In an E3 interview from Gameinformer a MS guy said Blu-ray is expensive and is too much for gaames. But its not the games it was meant for, its kinda like nintendo saying DVD wasnt necessary for game cube or CD's werent for N64.
 
God sake my pc is skrewy today its just done a double post without telling me what a pile :grumpy: . sorry guys if a mod could delete this post i would be most pleased :) .

Cheers 👍 .
 
@ Armar

Sprite
This was posted June 2003

More than likley, the BR side of PS3 is for movie playback at first, then if developers want BR for games im sure they will use it, look at GT3 and GT4, they made a bigger game for GT4 so instead of using two disks (DVD-5) they just used a Dule-layer disk (DVD-9), im sure this will be the case for PS3 as games start to use the hardware more and more to the maximum they will need more storage for the info for the game so they will utalise BR disks, also by the time this happens, the media will be cheap anyway and Hollow-storage will be on the cards for PS4 ;)

read this link about Holographic storage.

And for PS5 or 6 how about Nano-storage.

Read this link for Nano-storage.
 
It’s the first time we’ve heard of it happening that Sony and the Blu-ray Disc Association have admitted a member into their ranks—Sanyo, in this case—despite their intent to play both sides of the fence and release HD-DVD compatible devices as well. Why, Sanyo, you old dog, we had no idea you were a swinger—or that Sony would just let you sleep around like that. But seriously, since the apparent demise of the unified Blu-ray/HD-DVD standard we were all hoping for, does this mean Sanyo holds the key to a single device that plays both HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs?

Source:- engadget

LOL thats what they didnt need at thisd point in time, but if it solves the problem of cross compatibility then i guessits a good thing.
 
"The two, rival blue-laser optical storage formats, Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD, will not be coming together, Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi admitted yesterday.

Talks between the BD-backing Sony and HD DVD cheerleader Toshiba have ended, he said, in an interview with Nikkei Electronics.

Surprise, surprise. Comments from both parties during the period of the negotiations implied there was little chance of a compromise. To do so would require either party to abandon their preferred format. Supporters of each format have, in the past, made it clear that physically the two formats are incompatible. The only way around the problem was to adopt one format's physical structure and add support for the other's data structure.

Sony had the edge here. Since BD is more capacious than HD DVD, with a more complex data structure, there was inevitably more scope to add HD DVD data compatibility to the BD spec than vice versa.

Sony first made the suggestion back in April, in a bid to prevent not only a war between the two formats as each battles to win the favour of consumers, but also to limit HD DVD's lead in content availability. Pre-recorded movies on HD DVD are expected to ship in the US in Q4, just ahead of BD-based movies. And while the HD DVD spec is complete, some elements, such as copy protection, have yet to be finalised by the BD camp.

By late May, however, it was clear the negotiations were in deadlock, and so the principals brought in more senior staffers, including Kutaragi, to bring the discussions to a higher level. Once again, Sony's suggestion that HD DVD's data structure be incorporated into BD's, with BD providing the unified physical structure appear to have been rejected by Toshiba. To be fair, Sony hasn't been willing to embrace HD DVD, either. ®"

source:- theregister.co.uk

Ahhh well never mind.
 
The article I linked is dated June 21st (yesterday) and it mentions that since high management is being shuffle around in both companies (Thosiba CEO will be a new guy) it could make things happen. Have to wait later this month.
 
No one seemed to have mentioned this, but it is possible to record four layers of data on the
Blu-Ray disk for a total storage space of 90 Gigabytes, while a triple-layer HD-DVD can only record 45 Gigabytes.
 
evilgenius788
No one seemed to have mentioned this, but it is possible to record four layers of data on the
Blu-Ray disk for a total storage space of 90 Gigabytes, while a triple-layer HD-DVD can only record 45 Gigabytes.

Actually, it's closer to 100GB (25GB per layer). "Burned" discs are smaller than pressed discs, however, and may be closer to 90.

They've also successfully tested 8-layer, 200GB discs, although they're still a ways from production on those.
 
OK, abit off topic but, can anyone explain to me te progression of game data from solid state (i.e. N64 cartridges) to discs...............it is just purely a cost issue, or storage capacity?.............Im sure solid state would have not loading time issues if it were used today, but im very happy that we dont have them anymore!
 
cost and storage capacity. The largest solid state compact flash cards available now are I think 4 gigs in size. While that's effing awesome, the cost of these cards is more than $100 each. In addition to that, these things have a real read/write time. Data doesn't come instantly, but rather in a second or two when you have a full card of that size.
 
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