BMW 120D (Diesel...)

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greenhill
I like the 120d a lot actually. I recently raced this car in a pp race... I felt like this car was very strong in corners and tight stuff with plenty of "pulling away" power...... But in long straights, I would be caught..... It was great cat and mouse stuff. That was my experience anyway. Cheers.
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Oh yeah, and I won the race by the way against same pp petrol cars. :)
 
we have been testing the 120i vs 120d at the tsuka track on comfort softs
my best in the 120d was 1.09 , moot's best time in the 120d was 1.08.5

i think it came down to driver skills, we are now drag racing ;)

i was in the 120d moot was in the 120i the 120d won both drags races ;)
 
b_schwarz
Power delivery. BMW just do it better, and always have done. Even the petrols have a lovely flat torque curve.
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Mhh love BMWs but at least the petrols get their power from high rpm or at high rpm. youll notice when you are on low rpm (just start to roll in 1st gear and then push the throttle. power will build up and up but is low until 2k rpm)
 
Well trying my best on Tsukuba I got 35 hundredths faster in the 120d than the 120i. On my previous test I got a few hundredths faster in the 120i. So maybe I was wrong to say the 120i is faster like for like, I think they are very close. There are other factors to tinker with though such as the shared equal power setting. I set both cars to 177bhp and 1250kgs. There maybe more change if both cars set to 148bhp or even 200+bhp.
But from a standing start on sport soft tyres I admit in the settings we were in, the 120d would pull away every time, this was on a short straight, going for longer and higher speed will have to test that again.

In the real world though there would be a weight advantage to the petrol car.
I'm certainly never saying diesels are faster by nature.
 
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Personally I don't think the 120d is faster than a Golf GTI when both are in stock form, but I maybe biased cause I drive one. =]
 
Moot
Well trying my best on Tsukuba I got 35 hundredths faster in the 120d than the 120i. On my previous test I got a few hundredths faster in the 120i. So maybe I was wrong to say the 120i is faster like for like, I think they are very close. There are other factors to tinker with though such as the shared equal power setting. I set both cars to 177bhp and 1250kgs. There maybe more change if both cars set to 148bhp or even 200+bhp.
But from a standing start on sport soft tyres I admit in the settings we were in, the 120d would pull away every time, this was on a short straight, going for longer and higher speed will have to test that again.

In the real world though there would be a weight advantage to the petrol car.
I'm certainly never saying diesels are faster by nature.
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diesals ForTheWin!!! haha, was good fun tho!! im up for trying different settings im even up for putting the golf gti against the 120d with equal settings as the 120d will be faster but it likes to get the back end out, as the golf wouldnt!
 
Just need to correct myself, the gap was 35 thousandths of a second not hundredths.
Tsukuba -comfort soft tyres
177bhp 1250kgs
120i 1:08.613 (402pp)
120d 1:08.578 (412pp)

Looking at the pp the petrol would win on even pp, as that would give the 120i 194bhp at 412pp.

I will set a PP limit for next challenge between 120i and 120d. I think that extra 17bhp would get me ahead of the diesel in drag race.
Or I could use that pp to shed over 140kgs!

Only just realised this so in terms of GT5 pp racing the 120i is a lot faster than the 120d. But for power/weight matching about even.
 
Just did a few runs on Tsukuba with the GTI and here are the times.

Tsukuba Circuit

Offline mode
Sports Hard, ABS 1 only
All stock (only oil change)

1:07.590 was my fastest time.

About average I guess.
 
Think it's safe to say that in GT5 a 120d @ 177hp is as quick as a standard GTI but without the oil change as it adds hp. Similar to in real life. I'm still not changing my 120d is quicker than a GTI 40-80mph (in any gear) statement...as it's true.
 
mrluckypants
The 120d has more power and torque than the 120i. It's a good drifter because of all the torque and it makes a good track car because of 350HP and 400 lb/ft of torque. It's my favorite car. It's not the only diesel car though, the VW Bus is a 1.4(?) diesel.
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350bhp?....120d?

VW bus is air cooled petrol.
 
i love the crap out of both my 120d and 120i (and all my BMW's i think i have every one tho i hope i do not!).

i stripped max weight from both cus that's what i'd do in reality if i owned one. tune her up, smack on racing hards. these cars are fun once you get the suspension tweaked, which took a bit of time.

because of the long wheelbase and slight wonkiness at speed, driving these cars is an exercise in controlled oversteer. i found that adding 0.2neg camber up front and keeping 0.0 in the rear helps this a bit. these cars have changed how i drive... i now plan further ahead and am much more patient than i used to be in faster cars. when oversteering the 120's come around slowly, and you can't rush that part of it. so they have really been excellent training cars for me. i have learned to not jump the gun on the throttle coming out of a turn, for example.

these cars are my second favorite after the 320i Touring for the 'ring.
 
b_schwarz
Think it's safe to say that in GT5 a 120d @ 177hp is as quick as a standard GTI but without the oil change as it adds hp. Similar to in real life. I'm still not changing my 120d is quicker than a GTI 40-80mph (in any gear) statement...as it's true.
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I doubt it, you want to do a test on GT5?
 
b_schwarz
Think it's safe to say that in GT5 a 120d @ 177hp is as quick as a standard GTI but without the oil change as it adds hp. Similar to in real life. I'm still not changing my 120d is quicker than a GTI 40-80mph (in any gear) statement...as it's true.
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we shall see in the game ;) tba lol
 
b_schwarz
Think it's safe to say that in GT5 a 120d @ 177hp is as quick as a standard GTI but without the oil change as it adds hp. Similar to in real life. I'm still not changing my 120d is quicker than a GTI 40-80mph (in any gear) statement...as it's true.
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Why would you not do the oil change?
The GTI was 190bhp without the oil change, the oil change gives it 200bhp, this can then be dropped down to 197bhp, how the real car is in real life.
The 120d needs to be set to 174bhp (2007 model) as that is what that is in real life.
 
The 120D uses up too much PP on torque so I'm not finding her competitive in PP races online. Even the dude who runs those low PP rooms can't win with it but he can win with dozens of other cars. Even at Tsukuba it's at a disadvantage even though the straights are very short. Great handling car though.

I bought the 120i but in my experience it doesn't live up to the great handling of the 12OD for whatever reason.:yuck:
 
I'm pleasantly minded to say after testing on GT5 the Golf GTI is faster 40-80mph than the 120d. More surprisingly the biggest difference is when in 4th gear only. The golf is a lot better.
Results.

40mph-80mph 2nd to 3rd
GTI -- 120d
7.28 -- 8.16
7.03 -- 8.26
6.97 -- 8.80
7.42 -- 8.69

40-80mph in 4th gear

GTI -- 120d
7.83 -- 10.80
7.48 -- 10.67
7.56 -- 11.43
7.80 -- 11.48


Specs:
Golf GTI 197bhp 1328kgs
BMW 120D 174bhp 1375kgs
 
I had this car in a shuffle race recently on my favourite track (cote d'azur), and I can honestly say I've never been so bored by a car in GT game. I was expecting plenty of torque from the engine but it was just like driving an underpowered petrol :(
 

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