BMW Shoots for the Sky with the New F10

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I'm quite surprised that this wasn't here yet...

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From Autoblog

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The 5 Series is an important model for BMW, particularly in North America where it's the brand's second best seller behind the 3 Series. Heading into 2010, BMW has expanded its mid-size line with the new Gran Turismo body style already on sale. However, the volume leader for the 5 Series is the four-door sedan, which officially debuts today. The 2011 model transitions to a new platform architecture shared with the latest 7 Series as well as the upcoming Rolls-Royce Ghost. The 5 Series sedan gets a four-inch shorter wheelbase than its siblings, but at 116.9 inches, it still stretches well past its competition. The new Mercedes-Benz E-Class runs a mere 113.1 inches between its axles and the Cadillac CTS is 113.4 inches.

Since the 5 Series now shares its platform with the 7 Series and GT, the suspension is essentially carried over from the other two with multi-link arrangements at all four corners, dispensing with the struts of the five previous generations. The outgoing E60 5 Series marked the debut of active front steering for BMW with a steering ratio that varied based on vehicle conditions such as speed and lateral acceleration. The new F10 (BMW's internal nomenclature for the latest 5 Series) adds to that electric power steering assist, which should help reduce parasitic power loss and improve efficiency. How it impacts steering feel remains to be seen, although the 7 Series felt quite good for such a large car when we tested it earlier this year.

The F10 also picks up features like optional active rear-wheel steering, which countersteers the rear wheels for a tighter turning circle while using in-phase steering at speed for extra stability. Other options include an adaptive damping system and active roll control to further minimize lean during cornering.

Inside, the new 5 Series also picks up themes from the GT and 7 Series with a return to an instrument panel layout where the center stack is tilted toward the driver for improved ergonomics. While BMW gave the Gran Turismo an elevated seating position for that "command view," the 5 Series retains a lower position more typical of sedans. Barely a year after introducing its third generation of iDrive in the 3 Series and 7 Series, the new 5 Series gets what BMW is describing as generation four. It's not clear at this point how much better it is, but hopefully the system will have expanded voice controls to get deeper into the menus without having to use its control knob. All models get an LCD display in the dash to display audio and climate control information, while cars without the navigation system get a seven-inch display and those with get the gorgeous 10.2-inch panel from the 7 Series.

Given that BMW's middle name is Motoren, the heart of any Bimmer resides under the hood. In this case the U.S. version of the F10 5 Series will launch with two turbocharged engines. The 550i sedan gets the same marvelous 400-hp twin-turbocharged, direct-injected reverse flow V8 found in the X6, 750i and 550i Gran Turismo. Below that is a 300-hp turbocharged inline-six in the 535i.

However, the latter engine is not a carryover from the current 535i and 335i. The existing turbocharged inline six-cylinder uses two turbochargers feeding the front and rear halves of the engine and retains a throttle plate. This new engine keeps the same displacement and maximum output of 300 hp and 300 pound-feet, but uses only a single twin-scroll turbocharger and dispenses with the throttle in favor of the Valvetronic variable lift system to manage airflow into the engine. That makes it the first BMW turbo six with the Valvetronic system.

Both engines are paired with the same new eight-speed automatic transmission found in the Gran Turismo and the ActiveHybrid 7. The six-cylinder model is also available with a six-speed manual gearbox, a unique offering among its competitors in the U.S. market. Later in 2010, BMW will also add a normally aspirated version of the six with 240 hp.

The new 5 Series will be the first U.S.-market BMW other than the company's new hybrids to get brake energy regeneration. Like the new electric power steering, this regen braking system uses a special heavy duty glass-mat battery in combination with an intelligently controlled alternator. While a normal alternator is being driven continuously, this unit only charges the battery when the car is decelerating to avoid adding any load to the engine.

Of course, the most obvious difference for the new 5 is its styling. Over the past decade, BMW has had some very controversial exercises in design, including the current E60 5 Series. The new 7 Series is considered one of the most successful BMW designs in many years and the 5 Series picks up that mantle. Unlike the the somewhat awkward looking Gran Turismo, the sedan keeps a lower profile more akin to the 4th generation E39 5 Series. The nose is also more upright like the 7 Series and GT compared to the slope back shape of the E60.

The bodywork picks up some of the surface queues seen on its siblings including a pair of prominent creases on its flanks at the rocker panel and just below the belt line. Speaking of the lower edge of the side glass, this wouldn't be a BMW without the Hofmeister Kink, but this time the radius has been reduced. The overall effect is less avant garde and more muscular than the E60, and most observers will likely find it more pleasing to the eye.

The new 5 Series sedan will certainly spawn a new high-performance M5 version at some stage, although BMW is not giving any details at this time. In all likelihood, the days of the 5.0-liter V10 are over and the M5 will get a version of the 550-hp twin-turbo V8 found in the X5 M and X6 M. On the more efficient side, we may get a diesel 535d at some point and almost assuredly a hybrid, probably with the mild hybrid system used in the ActiveHybrid 7. What we probably won't see again in the U.S. is the slow-selling Touring station wagon, which doesn't really have much reason to exist alongside the Gran Turismo.

Dare I say that I like it a lot, really in a back-to-basics sort of way. Its not really flashy in any kind of way, and I'm sure some of the BMW purists will cry foul over some of the new tech... But its a nicely "normal" German sedan. Something that hasn't come out of BMW and Mercedes, let alone Audi, for quite some time. The E39 may finally be able to rest in peace.
 
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I'll post in Yss's thread, since he's first and has more info. X<

Problem I have is that I'm not terribly impressed. It's the same theme in the E90 series, blown up into an Intermediate. and, as someone who LIKED the E60 5er, I'm not really all that thrilled.
 
Those are new new? I've seen four already. I'm not a fan of the shift knob in it. I saw it at a dearlship and it looked big and didn't really blend, at all.
 
At first, i was thinking i was going to be shocked because BMW has deviated from their "usual" way of Bangle-shock, but since this car was under the new era , i was then for a second not impressed as much as i would have liked, because expecting something shockingly new...

After looking at the photos... this car is definitely much easier on the eyes than the previous models, which i finally have come to like very much now after all this years...

This new 5 does not shock as much as the previous one when it first came out...Because BMW has mixed all sort of in-house-designs from past and present when designing this car... in the end, it's very pleasing...

It actually almost look like a japanese car... (as opposed to the previous 5 which has a unique personality that helps it be a contemporary design well after 6 years...)

Having said the above, i think i am going to like this car A lot the next time i will see it in real life... much better than the new Mercedes E class ...
 
That looks like a 3 series with a 7 series back! BMW was clearly lazy when designing.
 
People 🤬 and moaned when BMW did something different, and people will 🤬 and moan again, now that BMW are being more predictable - I guess you can't please all of the people all of the time!
 
People 🤬 and moaned when BMW did something different, and people will 🤬 and moan again, now that BMW are being more predictable - I guess you can't please all of the people all of the time!

Agreed. I think that sums it up. I think how people react to new designs is reflective of their personalities. If it looks like the old one, it appeals to people who are uncomfortable with change and prefer for things to move slowly. If it looks totally new and unlike anything else, it attracts people who are excited by change and want to move onto the next thing.

Of course, each approach both attracts and alienates the two opposing groups.

I noticed BMW plays both sides of that. They've had a pattern in place since the 1980s: launch a clean sheet, forward thinking, revolutionary car, then followed by a conservative, evolutionary car. That's the way they are. The E60 was pretty out there in terms of design, as was the E65 7-Series. Now they are in an evolutionary cycle with the F10 and F01. The next 3-series should also be a cautious evolution of the E90, but will also preview the next "big change" which may come from the Z-series or something else.

Anyways, about the F10... I don't care for the 5 GT styling, but this is very nice. I can already visualize a more aggressive front fascia for the M Sport package as well as the full blown M5.

I love the refreshed interior design theme as well. It looks much less severe than the current ones and feels more relaxed and elegant. By comparison the current cars have a too structured, almost oppressive feel in the cabin.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, especially since I usually make fun of the big rims and slammed look, but the car looks like it really needs 19s and a very slight drop.

Oh gods, I sound one of those StanceWorks people. Someone shoot me. :lol:


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Agreed. I think that sums it up. I think how people react to new designs is reflective of their personalities. If it looks like the old one, it appeals to people who are uncomfortable with change and prefer for things to move slowly. If it looks totally new and unlike anything else, it attracts people who are excited by change and want to move onto the next thing.

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I am not opposed to big/fast change... I am only opposed to bad change just for the sake of having any change at all. Whether it's the older 5-series or the US healthcare proposal, the same principle applies.

This looks like a big E90 and from the views offered appears to be better-proportioned than the outgoing 5er. That's a good thing in my book.
 
I'll tell you all you need to know about the new 5-Series:

- Doesn't look anything special
- Will undoubtably be better than pretty much anything else in it's class
- BMW will claim they won't make an M5 of it, and then they will in a few years

I think that pretty much covers it. An excellent car, but one I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to own. And also, one that makes the current 5-Series much more desirable as values will plunge and it looks more interesting, too.
 
It doesn't look too much different from current 3-series. In fact I like BMW starts to use Bangle's styling in subtle way. The new Z4 is also a very good example. I hope they will redesign or at least do a facelift for the X3.

I had a peek at Autoblog earlier, and found this over the gallery section.

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It would be nice if every car on the road distributes light like that
 
Oh gods, I sound one of those StanceWorks people. Someone shoot me. :lol:


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Well, now you fit in with all the VW to BMW owners over in Rides and Styles, you just did it backwards by getting the VAG products after the BMWs :p
 
The front is alright but they whiffed on the rear big time. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think the outgoing generation had more character. It was hard to beat those tails too.

Sorry, but I'm a Benz guy for this gen.
 
The front is alright but they whiffed on the rear big time. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think the outgoing generation had more character. It was hard to beat those tails too.

I'd be inclied to agree (the outgoing one has really grown on me), though the lights on the post-facelift 5-Series always remind me of Dame Edna Everidge's glasses:

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I'd be inclied to agree (the outgoing one has really grown on me), though the lights on the post-facelift 5-Series always remind me of Dame Edna Everidge's glasses:
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In truth, though, they are amazing looking at night. I can only imagine how M5 prey would feel after seeing these things behind them, hoping it's anything but the V10 monster. I love it. :p
 
I just don't know why BMW can't just go back to making a clean, even rear end. If they continue at this rate, their cars are going to look like the Agrocrag from behind.
 
I'm surprised anyone remembers "Guts."

but, meh...I liked the E60's rear end, so...Yeah, not thrilled with the return to "Normal."
 
I like the design... wish they'd kept the front end... and... 7-Series platform... does this mean the 5 will now weigh as much as the Titanic? Because the one thing that would keep me from buying a 7 over a 5 is that a 7 drives like a boat (for a Bimmer... which means it's only as good as everything else on the market).
 
Not too fond of it, reminds me of a old person that has had too many face lifts in a attempt to look young, especially the rear.

BTW I always liked the E60, E65.
 
but at 116.9 inches, it still stretches well past its competition. The new Mercedes-Benz E-Class runs a mere 113.1 inches between its axles and the Cadillac CTS is 113.4 inches.

Hot damn, a whole 3 inches! :lol:
 
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Is this 5 series having an identity crisis???​


The 5 series has long been a favourite for me, no matter what the changes. It has always been a comparison for me to see what Europe has to offer against the leaders here in Aus, in terms of size and drivetrain. So this is a little below the expectation on the first look, but to see one in the flesh will be the test.

Maybe it will grow on me, hopefully not like a tumor that will need to be removed.
 
I think this car looks great!! This is a combination of 3er, 7er and the Z4 which equals to the 5er. So it's pretty much a balance car within the range of BMWs cars. The front is very good, the side is magnificent and the rear is cool too. Now IMO the front is now already looks a bit aggresive but with the M-Sport, it's gonna be WHOW!! The M5 is going to be much-much more aggresive.

The interior is just like the 7er which is simple and elegance though it still looks like the E60 but, it really is different. With the techology, this car really is a techno car :p. The only problem that I found in this car is that it's big and maybe it's a bit heavy.

You can see the Specification here.
 
I'm massively underwhelmed.

The E60 was a brilliant, distinctive looking car. This is just design wallpaper. The rear inparticular could be pretty much any mid/large size saloon.

The interior however, looks to be a huge step forward vs the current car.

I'm sure it will be the usual best in class driving experience.
 
I'm massively underwhelmed.

The E60 was a brilliant, distinctive looking car.

"Distinctive" I will grant; "brilliant", not to me. I'd rather take clean, crisp, and well-proportioned design over fussy, misshapen, and "distinctive" any day. Anything can stand out by being weird enough. Standing out and looking good is another matter.
 
The E39 was gorgeous. The E60 was stunningly gorgeous, if not a definite contender for the best-looking car of the 2000's. This, however, looks too much like a 7-series (whose enormity suits the design unlike this). As always though, I am loving the interior. Hmm...

P.S: The F10 looks as big as last-gen's 7-series; would I be correct in that assumption?
 
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