Braking indictor in GT5 is soo overrated.

[parabulla]

I used to rely on the blinking indicator, and my driving sucked. When I stopped paying attention to it and looking for markers on the road, I got faster and drove better.

AFAIK, ABS can be restricted in online races, correct me if I'm wrong.

So, what's the fuss about?

 

[Mike Rotch]

if you read the thread you would know and by replying you already know what this is for , you don't have to be so obvious.

Editting someone else's post and then passing it off as a quote is juvenile. Don't do it again.

 

[sprplay]

Blinking indicator - what the hell is that ???

In the heat of the race I don't even have time to look at this tiny gauge, as I totally focus on the road and engine-sound for optimal response to the things happening in front of me

To be serious again: I don't mind people using visible assists, I won't even mind them going on quicker or slower cars as long as this will lead to a good fight, lots of overtake maneuvers, a close race and a photofinish end.

 

[CSLACR]

I used to rely on the blinking indicator, and my driving sucked. When I stopped paying attention to it and looking for markers on the road, I got faster and drove better.

AFAIK, ABS can be restricted in online races, correct me if I'm wrong.

So, what's the fuss about?

Correcting you. ;
It can be checked before the race, but nothing stops the driver from changing it as soon as the race starts.


But then I still think with any reasonably priced wheel (under 150$US) braking without ABS is extremely and unrealistically difficult.
I have a DFGT, call it "low quality" if you please, but 100$ on top of 400$ and 60$ is plenty of cash for a video game for me, and on the DFGT, there is literally nothing to tell you the brakes are about to lock, nothing at all.

I can drive, or even race without it, but it's basically memory function of "how hard can I press this pedal now"? rather than actual threshold braking.
Throttle can be felt through the wheel, braking not really at all until they lock.

To be serious again: I don't mind people using visible assists, I won't even mind them going on quicker or slower cars as long as this will lead to a good fight, lots of overtake maneuvers, a close race and a photofinish end.

Yes! Post of the week to you sir.👍

 

[Exorcet]

Being able to turn of the brake/gear indicator would be a welcome option, but there is no need to force it off online.

A forced ABS restriction would similarly add nothing to the game.

This I disagree with. ABS is the one assist that might actually make you faster. Being able to force it off makes more sense than being able to force off TCS, ASM, and driving line.

I would like to race in ABS off rooms and an option to force it off would probably make that easier to accomplish. Judging by the sheer number of rooms with RS tires, SRF, and assists allowed (not to mention that ABS is not really being a driving aid for some people), I really doubt that an ABS off option would significantly reduce the online race options for most people.

 

[ZohsixGT5]

I thought about this thread last night so I did a test. 3 separate laps on the Ring, stock 458 Italia, Sport Hard tires. 1st lap fully using the blinking brake indicator braking exactly when it told me to (you will always come up 30 meters short). 2nd lap I used the brake indicator but waited for a while to brake after it start blinking (as mentioned in OP). 3rd lap HUD off in cockpit view.

Results: Fully using the brake indicator was +23 seconds slower, using it as a reference but braking late, +11 seconds slower. I don't have the times but I can post them later to whoever is interested.

Attempts to run this car with no ABS were.... unsuccessful. Need to test ABS 0 times with a race car.

As stated before, turning this off really won't make a difference to the good drivers. The only time I really ever pay attention to it is on user created course that I am racing for the first time. You could always put some tape over the number on the screen if it is really bothering you? Or just turn the HUD off like everyone else.

 

[CSLACR]

I thought about this thread last night so I did a test. 3 separate laps on the Ring, stock 458 Italia, Sport Hard tires. 1st lap fully using the blinking brake indicator braking exactly when it told me to (you will always come up 30 meters short). 2nd lap I used the brake indicator but waited for a while to brake after it start blinking (as mentioned in OP). 3rd lap HUD off in cockpit view.

Results: Fully using the brake indicator was +23 seconds slower, using it as a reference but braking late, +11 seconds slower. I don't have the times but I can post them later to whoever is interested.

Attempts to run this car with no ABS were.... unsuccessful. Need to test ABS 0 times with a race car.

As stated before, turning this off really won't make a difference to the good drivers. The only time I really ever pay attention to it is on user created course that I am racing for the first time. You could always put some tape over the number on the screen if it is really bothering you? Or just turn the HUD off like everyone else.

Sorry, while I agree with almost everything you said...

The "no HUD" "option" we "got" from PD is absurdly stupid, just downright West Virginia mother's brother is my brother and my daddy dumb. That's exactly how I feel about it, no exaggeration, no speedometer? wtf pd?

So basically, "no hud" means "giant TV owners with cockpit view", or something like that. 👎
A classic case of PD not knowing how to do something well.

And I'd actually hoped they meant I could turn off the unnecessary crap, and still have an idea where my tach and speedo are.
All I want is to not see the crap that blocks my driving view, like that assinine writing that MUST come up every time someone joins the room mid-race, classic case of "nobody at PD actually tested anything in this game at all, did they?

 

[ZohsixGT5]

Sorry, while I agree with almost everything you said...

The "no HUD" "option" we "got" from PD is absurdly stupid, just downright West Virginia mother's brother is my brother and my daddy dumb. That's exactly how I feel about it, no exaggeration, no speedometer? wtf pd?

So basically, "no hud" means "giant TV owners with cockpit view", or something like that. 👎
A classic case of PD not knowing how to do something well.

And I'd actually hoped they meant I could turn off the unnecessary crap, and still have an idea where my tach and speedo are.
All I want is to not see the crap that blocks my driving view, like that assinine writing that MUST come up every time someone joins the room mid-race, classic case of "nobody at PD actually tested anything in this game at all, did they?

Well HUD off certainly wouldn't be my preferred option because of the standard cars, but that's the only way to remove the brake indicator. What I would like to see is the "simple" option we had in GT4. I don't use HUD on the premiums because I only need to focus on the bottom right corner of the tach.

 

[Energizerrr]

I wish it could be toggled off/on.

Sorry, while I agree with almost everything you said...

The "no HUD" "option" we "got" from PD is absurdly stupid, just downright West Virginia mother's brother is my brother and my daddy dumb. That's exactly how I feel about it, no exaggeration, no speedometer? wtf pd?

So basically, "no hud" means "giant TV owners with cockpit view", or something like that. 👎
A classic case of PD not knowing how to do something well.

And I'd actually hoped they meant I could turn off the unnecessary crap, and still have an idea where my tach and speedo are.
All I want is to not see the crap that blocks my driving view, like that assinine writing that MUST come up every time someone joins the room mid-race, classic case of "nobody at PD actually tested anything in this game at all, did they?

👍

 

[Tornado]

Restrictions are important , its just like F1 regulations , you can't drive with your face on the roof or any kind of driving aids because in reality there isn't , and last thing , there will never be an instrument with red blinking for any realistic racing and that's serious for simulators.

Blah blah realism blah blah meaningless real life comparison blah blah.


I see you didn't actually read any of the things I posted before repeating yourself again.

if you read the thread you would know and by replying you already know what this is for , you don't have to be so obvious.

I've read the thread. Neither you nor your double RB6 have given a valid reason for why this (or cockpit view only) should be a potential restriction for online races. "It's more realistic that way" is not one, for a laundry list of reasons.

your obviously very affected , no worries

And this wasn't particularly clever when RB6 did it, and you doing it doesn't change that.

This doesn't do anything to me in the slightest, because I completely ignore the thing in all but the Nurburgring, and I almost never race the Nurburgring. But that doesn't stop me from seeing just how many holes your argument has to try and get PD to waste time on this, purely so you can foster even more elitism among GT5 players against casual drivers.

This I disagree with. ABS is the one assist that might actually make you faster. Being able to force it off makes more sense than being able to force off TCS, ASM, and driving line.

GT5 doesn't model enough things for ABS Off to be a realistic thing to restrict.

 

[SavageEvil]

Interesting thread, but a bit of deja vu! I don't even get why you would want to force the suggested gear and red line indicator off. Think about it, how many people go race online and still forget that tires are cold and you have way less grip than normal, now add in people who don't have the gear indicator on, and you can guess that you will have major pile ups and what have you in the first few corners or a race.

This just stinks of elitist crap that is quite becoming the prevailing thought process in GTP threads of late. Seriously what is going on? Why is everyone so adamant about being so good that I can drive with no ABS and no gear indicators on, so that gives me something to stick my chest out. Really?!? You do realize this is a video game first and foremost a simulator possibly 3rd right after being a pokemon car collect-a-thon.

ABS isn't an aid, it's actually a safety system. TCS is an aid because you can manipulate how you accelerate, but you cannot however manipulate how much brake pressure is applied to all four corners of a car at any given point. SRF is some magical system that gives your tires magical grip when you start to spin, stability management just use the abs to attempt to keep your car from spinning that is an aid. All are real except for SRF which is for people who really need help when driving to stay competitive.

Not sure of many racing leagues that do not allow ABS considering it is very good for safety concerns, wasn't it actually instituted in F1 to promote safety considering how volatile these cars can become under braking. Not sure I will have to look up the rules for F1 as they change from year to year, like some sort of game where in with the new out with the old is the order of the day.

Someone at PD screwed up with the HUD options, in GT4 they had full and limited and limited omitted the gear indicator but kept the redline indicator. and all other non-essentials like lap time and player cars, just the map and your speedo with tach were left. PD should just allow you to customize your own HUD, that would be great if you asked me.

 

[Tornado]

But I swear to God this exact thread happened a few months ago didn't it? Like exactly the same. Maybe even the same guy making it?

Yup. The only difference I can see is this time Enzo put two more words in the thread title. Otherwise it is identical. Same condescending tone. Same ridiculous "if you disagree you must suck at the game" arguments. Same lack of any actual reason why this should be done.


Same everything.

 

[Blitz24]

Last I checked, using the indicator is a preference and you do not need to rely on it. You can also ignore it (with enough work you will forget its even there). The complaining that elite drivers think its distracting doesn't really show that they are elite because they are distracted. I see no reason to get rid of the indicator as a requirement unless you also want to remove the HUD.

 

[Onboy123]

Hmm…if it is a duplicate thread that does nothing other than cause the OP to look a fool and get Toronado's temper to flare up, I think the best thing to do at this point is to just click on that yellow triangle and end it here.

 

[mistymercury]

i'm not anywhere close to an elite driver, but i hate it. i want to be able to practice and find my own braking points without something flashing in the corner of my eye doesn't make sense that there isn't an option to turn it off without turning everything off

 

[Enzo309]

you can ask any real racing driver and 100% of them hates this , obviously affects competition knowing that there's almost no sense or risk in braking , and let's not forget every real racing drivers gets all mental timing and track layout from simulators for there are no "testings" allowed in the top level like F1 , so making excuses that have been overridden by what the thread says won't save the red blinking number and besides it's either it's completely removed or by restriction.

Ofcourse you can brake with no ABS if you can feel the car enough but obviously like anything you'd have to get used to that car first but obviously that goes for people with pedals which is the point of simulation , and with a restriction that goes for everyone in the room.
Ofcourse abs doesn't feel real for you because you just put 10 / 10 on brakes which is totally unrealistic and ungenuine , for the F1 and DTM the no abs is real and just like in reality abs will never exist in f1 or DTM , only no brainers with arcadiah 10/10 cant drive a racing car without ABS, all your excuses are pretty much overriden by what the thread says , obviously you fear to death that it would be removed but it will be because it's not real or genuine in anyway and besides it's either a restriction or just to be removed completely

Ofcourse It doesn't matter wether you don't like it which you do by replying anyway , at the end of the day there will be a restriction which has an option

The big red number is the bottom line , due to its complete unrealistic and ungenuin mechanism that I havent witnessed anywhere else. It's absolutely like the blinking red dot and it's absolutely like driving line's braking point where you just know the gap thereafter and I absolutely hate this , just completely unreal.

The big red number will be removed by restriction or the big red number will be removed completely ,Rpm / rev meter will stay.

 

[Onboy123]

Ofcourse abs doesn't feel real for you because you just put 10 / 10 on brakes which is totally unrealistic and ungenuine , for the F1 and DTM the no abs is real and just like in reality abs will never exist in f1 or DTM , only no brainers with arcadiah 10/10 cant drive a racing car without ABS, all your excuses are pretty much overriden by what the thread says , obviously you fear to death that it would be removed but it will be because it's not real or genuine in anyway and besides it's either a restriction or just to be removed completely

It doesn't matter wether you don't like it which you do by replying anyway , at the end of the day there will be a restriction which has an option

The big red number is the bottom line , due to its complete unrealistic and ungenuin mechanism that I havent witnessed anywhere else. It's absolutely like the blinking red dot and it's absolutely like driving line's braking point where you just know the gap thereafter and I absolutely hate this , just completely unreal.

The big red number will be removed by restriction or the big red number will be removed completely ,Rpm / rev meter will stay.

'The big red number this, the big red number that', honestly, if you hate it so damn much, turn the HUD off. Not hard, is it? And certainly not worthy of a thread. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't as well. You ain't a dictator, you can't just say 'I don't like this and all who disagree are wrong'.

And let me tell you, even the thickest GT5 players who have no clue how racing works will know that with ABS off, brake balance should be set to 2/1 or 1/1 or even 1/0, making your already hard to fathom point even more flawed.

And if you are going to use that pathetic excuse that 'I'm scared of it being removed', lemme tell you something. I've drifted a X1, driven a TVR cerbera speed 12 on CS tyres without crashing and still winning the race, if I did all these without running to mummy, why would I be scared of not having a little light by my HUD?

Final thing, 'At the end of the day there will be a restriction'? Who are you? Who do you think you are to have the right to say what's going to be restricted or not? You didn't make the game, you have NO right to tell anyone, anyone, what they can and can't do.

 

[Timppaq]

The big red number will be removed by restriction or the big red number will be removed completely ,Rpm / rev meter will stay.

I'd like to see the source for that, thanks!

 

[Lambob]

I haven't bother to notice these indicators , braking, shifting, driving lines, etc, since game release almost a year ago. I turn em all off, or ignore them. I am my own braking idicator.

 

[ZohsixGT5]

I'd like to see the source for that, thanks!

Maybe he currently has Kaz at gunpoint???

 

[Tornado]

Final thing, 'At the end of the day there will be a restriction'? Who are you? Who do you think you are to have the right to say what's going to be restricted or not? You didn't make the game, you have NO right to tell anyone, anyone, what they can and can't do.

Posts like this make me wish this forum still had a reputation system.

 

[Spiderman_Geek]

Posts like this make me wish this forum still had a reputation system.

rep'd




lol.

 

[Spiderman_Geek]

As for myself, I prefer having the gear indicator visible. As opposed to when driving a real car, you can quickly lose track of which gear you are in when playing (especially for us DS3 users).

But honestly, I never pay attention to when it blinks or when it tells me what gear I "should" be in.

Adding a restrction for this indicator is just stupid. Who are you to tell people that the only "way" to play is your way? It doesn't even give an advantage to those who rely on it.

 

[peterjford]

Ofcourse you can brake with no ABS if you can feel the car enough but obviously like anything you'd have to get used to that car first but obviously that goes for people with pedals which is the point of simulation , and with a restriction that goes for everyone in the room.

Until pedals have realistic force feedback and you provide those pedals to everyone in your room, I don't think forcing "No ABS" because its not realistic is a valid argument.

If you want to force everyone to not have the blinking-red-light-of-inaccurate-brake-points-and-gear-selection just force everyone to use an electric or cvt car.

 

[shirakawaa]

Until pedals have realistic force feedback and you provide those pedals to everyone in your room, I don't think forcing "No ABS" because its not realistic is a valid argument.

Somehow on PC sims that is manageable without pedal feedback. Why can't it in GT5?

If you want to force everyone to not have the blinking-red-light-of-inaccurate-brake-points-and-gear-selection just force everyone to use an electric or cvt car.

Wow. This answer is on the same lines of "just remove the hud in the cockpit view like everybody does" of that other user.

 

[Enzo309]

'The big red number this, the big red number that', honestly, if you hate it so damn much, turn the HUD off. Not hard, is it? And certainly not worthy of a thread. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't as well. You ain't a dictator, you can't just say 'I don't like this and all who disagree are wrong'.

And let me tell you, even the thickest GT5 players who have no clue how racing works will know that with ABS off, brake balance should be set to 2/1 or 1/1 or even 1/0, making your already hard to fathom point even more flawed.

And if you are going to use that pathetic excuse that 'I'm scared of it being removed', lemme tell you something. I've drifted a X1, driven a TVR cerbera speed 12 on CS tyres without crashing and still winning the race, if I did all these without running to mummy, why would I be scared of not having a little light by my HUD?

Final thing, 'At the end of the day there will be a restriction'? Who are you? Who do you think you are to have the right to say what's going to be restricted or not? You didn't make the game, you have NO right to tell anyone, anyone, what they can and can't do.

set to 2/1?? , maybe if you had comfort tyre's other than that its pure mental problem. And either way if a room had no ABS restriction then every person would have no ABS meaning your stopping distance and everyone in the room would be similar when you are used to it , that's why its a restriction and anyway ABS doesn't exist in DTM or F1 and easily with slicks anybody can get it right.

At the end of the day restriction allows on or off.

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

you can ask any real racing driver and 100% of them hates this , obviously affects competition knowing that there's almost no sense or risk in braking , and let's not forget every real racing drivers gets all mental timing and track layout from simulators for there are no "testings" allowed in the top level like F1 , so making excuses that have been overridden by what the thread says won't save the red blinking number and besides it's either it's completely removed or by restriction.

Ofcourse you can brake with no ABS if you can feel the car enough but obviously like anything you'd have to get used to that car first but obviously that goes for people with pedals which is the point of simulation , and with a restriction that goes for everyone in the room.
Ofcourse abs doesn't feel real for you because you just put 10 / 10 on brakes which is totally unrealistic and ungenuine , for the F1 and DTM the no abs is real and just like in reality abs will never exist in f1 or DTM , only no brainers with arcadiah 10/10 cant drive a racing car without ABS, all your excuses are pretty much overriden by what the thread says , obviously you fear to death that it would be removed but it will be because it's not real or genuine in anyway and besides it's either a restriction or just to be removed completely

Ofcourse It doesn't matter wether you don't like it which you do by replying anyway , at the end of the day there will be a restriction which has an option

The big red number is the bottom line , due to its complete unrealistic and ungenuin mechanism that I havent witnessed anywhere else. It's absolutely like the blinking red dot and it's absolutely like driving line's braking point where you just know the gap thereafter and I absolutely hate this , just completely unreal.

The big red number will be removed by restriction or the big red number will be removed completely ,Rpm / rev meter will stay.

set to 2/1?? , maybe if you had comfort tyre's other than that its pure mental problem. And either way if a room had no ABS restriction then every person would have no ABS meaning your stopping distance and everyone in the room would be similar when you are used to it , that's why its a restriction and anyway ABS doesn't exist in DTM or F1 and easily with slicks anybody can get it right.

At the end of the day restriction allows on or off.

*facepalm*

Dude, like Onboy and others said, you can turn it off in the options menu or just ingore it and race/drive. I only use it when I'm racing on one of my custom tracks that I'm unfamiliar with. Yeah I glance at it here and there, but I don't pay it any attention now, not even in GT3 and GT4 when I dominated the tracks and knew how to race them.

And you didn't even make the game, let alone direct it. So why the elitist attitude? This helps with newbies in sim racing games. The brake indicator, perfect racing line and driver's aids help them to understand the concept of the game and develops skill. GT, Shift and Forza has it, I'm not sure about PC sims, but the have it as well. It's called expanding the sim racing genre to all who wants to play them, and people who didn't even play the older ones in the series and fully understand and can open a new world in racing games to them.

So take that elite attitude of yours and go! Now needs to dictate how to play a game. And seeing that you also creating a similar thead that you made before is showing me something about you.

 

[Onboy123]

set to 2/1?? , maybe if you had comfort tyre's other than that its pure mental problem. And either way if a room had no ABS restriction then every person would have no ABS meaning your stopping distance and everyone in the room would be similar when you are used to it , that's why its a restriction and anyway ABS doesn't exist in DTM or F1 and easily with slicks anybody can get it right.

At the end of the day restriction allows on or off.

Again with this bull? At the end of the day, THIS RESTRICTION DOESN'T EXIST. And ok, if you think so, the next time you go online, set your brakes at 5/6, turn ABS off, and just watch as your car sideways into the host's.

 

[Mike Rotch]

This thread is going in circles, rational arguments are being blunted by hardheadedness and given the exact same thread/OP was done in April (thanks Toronado for pointing that out), this horse has been flogged enough.