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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%

  • Total voters
    29
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In other words, UKIP have turned a PR disaster (their campaign) into a PR success...

Neil Hamilton would snort appreciatively at that joke before turning to his wife for an explanation.

In other news, the potential future second-in-line Queen turns out to be married, much to the disappointment of the papers. They were rather looking forward to an ex-military tattooed American in the role. Still, there's always the Wallis Simpson precedent.
 
The celebrity who took out an
injunction against details of their spouse's
night of passion being detailed by the press has, in
yet another hearing, had their appeal upheld.

Details cannot be published on English or Welsh publications or servers,
a decision which seems crazy when even
now the same details are publically
circulating in the US press, in Scotland and
even in Northern Ireland - this is a
real retrograde step in press regulation, I think.
 
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Seems to me that this case could be used as a precedent to shut down the whole celebrity "news"-gossip industry. Which may not be a bad thing.
 
Daily Mail playing the long game!

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"We know this, of course, because Sir Elton and David have been generous enough to share almost every detail of their relationship and family life through the pages of celebrity magazines, in high-profile TV interviews and on social media."

That's pretty funny.
 
How do people feel about monopolies by the private train companies? Being out of the loop as an expat, I only found out yesterday that Arriva took over the north England franchise from Northern Rail in early April. Unimaginatively, Arriva are using the name Northern for their new franchise, maybe to keep continuity.

Arriva already run the Welsh franchise (Arriva Trains Wales), the London-Birmingham franchise (Chiltern Railways), the intercity (CrossCountry) franchise, the Tyne & Wear metro and operate on the east coast mainline under the Grand Central operator. So along with their new northern franchise they control routes from London-Birmingham, Cardiff-Holyhead, Cardiff-Nottingham, Llandudno-Manchester, Manchester-Bristol, Liverpool-Manchester and Aberdeen-Penzance. That's an awful lot for one company.

It's also worth noting that Arriva itself is a 100% subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn, a state funded joint-venture railway company, and that Serco-Abellio, who did run the northern franchise and still operate other franchises like Merseyrail, Scotland and East Anglia, is a subsidiary of Nederlandse Spoorwegen, a subsidised state railway company. I've always found it interesting how privatising the operating arm of British Rail simply meant opening the door to other countries' nationalised train companies. Even 'British Rail' came back in a sense when the Department Of Transport had to step in and manage the ECML when National Express walked out of their commitment.
 
How do people feel about monopolies by the private train companies?
Preferable to a government monopoly on it.

Besides which, they aren't truly privatised. While they control scheduling, pricing and rolling stock (somewhat), they don't own the tracks and are subject to sanction - or having the franchise stripped from them - if the service falls below certain timetabling standards.
 
Preferable to a government monopoly on it.

Besides which, they aren't truly privatised. While they control scheduling, pricing and rolling stock (somewhat), they don't own the tracks and are subject to sanction [...] if the service falls below certain timetabling standards.

I know you feel a private monopoly is preferable to a government one (not that I disagree, either) but what do you feel about private companies controlling multiple or even too many franchises? It hardly fosters a competitive market or atmosphere. Or that these private franchises are other countries' nationalised railways? That does indicate how not-so-privatised they are. It just struck me how much of British passenger railways are under Arriva and Serco-Abellio control.

I've always felt that the reason they kept the infrastructure under public control is because there's no money to be made in it. No-one would buy it. Sell off the profitable business arms and stay lumped with the losses.

or having the franchise stripped from them

What was National Express' punishment for their "oh fudge, we can't run this railway anymore. sorry. kthnxbye."? It seems incredulous that a company can walk away from its franchise scot-free.
 
What was National Express' punishment for their "oh fudge, we can't run this railway anymore. sorry. kthnxbye."? It seems incredulous that a company can walk away from its franchise scot-free.

Surprise surprise, the arrangements have all the hallmarks of being Another **** Idea.
 
I know you feel a private monopoly is preferable to a government one (not that I disagree, either) but what do you feel about private companies controlling multiple or even too many franchises? It hardly fosters a competitive market or atmosphere.
I'm not hugely bothered. The best people to run mass-transit systems are mass-transit specialist companies which by necessity (that necessity being to turn over enough money to stay in business) need to provide a service that is competitive when compared to other forms of transit. Remember, trains aren't just competing with trains - they're competing with buses, coaches, trams, subways and planes. On occasion, one company will run local trains, trams and buses all at once, but they're still competing with cars...

If they were all run by government still, the government could just decide that it wants people on trains and not cars regardless of the quality of service on the trains and price drivers out of their cars with ludicrous fuel duty escalators and punitive road tax...

Even though we still have dross like the Class 144 running, the modern railway service of the UK is so far ahead of what it was like in 1985. I suspect that if we still had a single UK-wide and state-run railway service, you wouldn't have trains like the Pendolino or the Class 395, and you wouldn't get charging points or WiFi in carriages.

Or that these private franchises are other countries' nationalised railways? That does indicate how not-so-privatised they are. It just struck me how much of British passenger railways are under Arriva and Serco-Abellio control.
That's not all that bothersome either. If they can run the service over there adequately, why shouldn't they run ours too as a private entity?
I've always felt that the reason they kept the infrastructure under public control is because there's no money to be made in it. No-one would buy it. Sell off the profitable business arms and stay lumped with the losses.
That could be the case, particularly given the amount of investment reportedly needed to bring the quality of lines up to meet our European counterparts.
What was National Express' punishment for their "oh fudge, we can't run this railway anymore. sorry. kthnxbye."? It seems incredulous that a company can walk away from its franchise scot-free.
No idea, but no company should be penalised at a higher rate for walking away from something it can't cope with so that someone else can do it than for continuing to run a below-standards (and becoming dangerously so) service at the detriment of the consumer.
 
They should use it to decide the referendum, the person who gets the cheese gets the final say!
 
The more local traditions that are kept going, the better and more interesting the country is. The cheese roll has always looked like good fun.
 
The more local traditions that are kept going, the better and more interesting the country is. The cheese roll has always looked like good fun.

It was kaiboshed in previous years by fears of health-and-safety litigation if competitors were injured... sensibly they've decided that putting up signs that say something along the lines of "Chasing a cheese down a hill and you get hurt? Duh." which have satisfied the lawyers.
 
Our new £280m airport at St Helena remains closed despite having been due to open in May... the location is simply too windy for planes. Geeenius. BBC.
 
Pffft, I don't believe it. I think the big issue here is that if you can't land at St Helena then there really are no alternatives!

I doubt anyone declares it as an alternate, ETOPS should give you other alternatives. That said, if you're aiming for St Helena for your primary destination you'd better be carrying a lot of spare fuel :D
 
At school, during a geography lesson, I was once taught that Stott Hall Farm had the M62 built around it after the owner refused to sell up.
A newly unearthed documentary from 1983 reveals that this wasn't true.

“A geological fault beneath the farmhouse meant it was more practical for engineers to leave it rather than blast through and destroy it.”

http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-the-farm-on-the-motorway-1983/

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At school, during a geography lesson, I was once taught that Stott Hall Farm had the M62 built around it after the owner refused to sell up.
A newly unearthed documentary from 1983 reveals that this wasn't true.

“A geological fault beneath the farmhouse meant it was more practical for engineers to leave it rather than blast through and destroy it.”

http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-the-farm-on-the-motorway-1983/

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I'd always thought that too! Nice shot of it, Windy Hill doesn't always look so nice :D
 
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