Britain - The Official Thread
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Thus making the baby Khan balloon kind of miss the point. I hope this means he's not as unpopular with the British people as the press is suggesting if they're doing so.
Funny that anti-balloon commenters were taking it upon themselves to suggest shooting the balloon down as if it were their right to endanger the general public in the name of shutting down a public protest they didn't agree with.
To return to an earlier post:
According to the latest YouGov figures Britons don't have to like the President to acknowledge the necessity of their country working with him.
Not sure how this lines up with the Brexit approval figures (which themselves appear to have declined in recent months).
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I wonder if Trump"s mother ever spoke about home? There is zero chance that a Presbyterian Lewisan thought of her home being England.
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Maybe in the movies that you watch, but there are movies where the male lead has more than just big muscles.
He's not, but nor is Bruce Willis the epitome of US masculinity. They were examples to demonstrate the type of personality I was talking about. You're free to choose your own exemplar of each case. But traditionally the UK type has been more intellectual than the more practical US type.
Help you? The man who has proudly trumpeted from every platform "America First"? He will help himself, and if it happens to be good for the UK at the same time then that's a lucky coincidence.
Maybe so. But societies don't improve by everyone sitting on their laurels. Saying "sit down, shut up and enjoy your life" is exactly what an oppressive regime tells it's citizens. Free countries don't fear protests or change because they trust their citizens have the best interests of the country at heart, and politicians of such countries aren't afraid because they also want the best for the country. It's only when one party doesn't have the national interest as a top priority that conflict arises.
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If anything, Piers looks quite humble.
Makes sense, because girls in their formative years don't think about what prospects a guy has and working class men are much more likely to use the jerk-boy charm to woo them. Into middle age and it becomes much more difficult for working class men because by that time they'll need a much better balance of personality, appearance and financial security. I think middle-aged women are more prepared to remain single than men though, because women tend to be hypegamous.
Surprising seeing that recent poll. I would like to see a breakdown of the age, gender, race, location and education level of the results; I'm sure there is a pattern.
Nothing wrong with some healthy sexism, but I think his has been too strong on many occasions and you have to draw the line case by case.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...hard-wired-meaning-sexist-men-attractive.html
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The word sexist could imply any attempt to make fun of, even if affectionately, any differences between men and women. I've witnessed some who are hyper sensitive to this, but in reality, women who know they are attractive to men, secretly love it because it reinforces their attractiveness and the men's perceived greater value over them. This is what they probably mean by benevolent.
The majority of women WANT to settle with a man of higher value than themselves, but maybe a lot of women who maybe aren't pretty, resent sexist behaviour of men who repulse them.
Maybe some ugly truths in those generalisations.
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Er, I was talking about the fact that the article felt the need to define the term "benevolent" for it's readers. A fairly basic word that most people over the age of twelve probably have a good enough idea of the meaning, and is pretty self-explanatory from context anyway. Therefore implying that their readers are so illiterate that they have a tough time comprehending basic English.
The rest of it is just you reading into something that isn't in my post.
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Maybe, in fact I'm positive of it. Still a terrible reason to think it's an opinion that applies across the board though, especially these days. I'd venture that the people who have transitioned through such a conventional and stereotypical idea of male/female interaction form the minority amongst my family, friends and colleagues. I'd cite far wider acceptable age differences between people and increased number of single parents as two of the bigger factors which work against your conventional thinking these days.
No wonder the BBC is having problems with its balance around Brexit. The BBC’s editor of live political programs thinks that the Electoral Commission’s guilty verdict is ‘disputed’
Should the BBC now also call all guilty murders who pled ‘not guilty’ as disputed murderers?
Should the BBC now also call all guilty murders who pled ‘not guilty’ as disputed murderers?
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Actually, there were three of them. The first two were that there was no case to answer, and the third was that Vote Leave had overspent by its association and a common action plan with BeLeave.
Yes, for some reason it was investigated three times. The original investigation concluded that Vote Leave hadn't overspent, accepting the explanation that it donated some of the money it had raised - £9.2m - to BeLeave in order not to overspend its £7m cap, which BeLeave then spent with AggregateIQ. BeLeave, as a registered campaigner, could spend up to £700k, and it spent £675k. Vote Leave said that the Electoral Commission had actually cleared the payment at the time.
However, the latest verdict suggests that the money from Vote Leave never entered BeLeave's accounts and instead went straight to AggregateIQ. Also BeLeave (a youth action group) was based in Vote Leave's HQ and Grimes wasn't a registered campaigner because he filled the forms out incorrectly, so was limited to a £10k spend.
Factually, that all seems pretty disputed - and the EC's verdict isn't exactly something you can draw a parallel with a court's verdict.
I doubt that this will be concluded like this, or any time soon.
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The two previous investigations are mentioned in the report. One of the hallmarks of the inquiries have been the obfuscation of senior Vote Leave members, the third (and this time completed) investigation was in receipt of facts that were not available (or accidentally/deliberately mis-presented) during the previous inquiries. It's also worth noting that the first report was somewhat narrower in scope than the final one.
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Indeed - but as noted above, I doubt it's the last we've heard of it.
It's entirely accurate to say it's "disputed", whatever the verdict. And I'm not fan of the BBC or its "news".
Really?
Vote Leave has accused the EC of not interviewing anyone and has called their competence into question... first one isn’t accurate, they did interview people and the second one is irrelevant.
Unless I’ve missed something?
All I’ve seen is Leave scoff at the report. Even if they appeal it, it wouldn’t make the verdict disputed...
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It would, by the fact that they dispute it.
Whether there's any merit to the dispute is an entirely different question, but the various people named, including Mr. Grimes, dispute the verdict:
Edit: Incidentally, his Twitter header includes a picture of Diane Abbott, so it's little wonder he thinks £10,000 is £675,000.
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To refer once more to the earlier example the vast majority of Guilty verdicts are disputed.
The publicity from Grimes (unsurprisingly, it's what he does) suggests that all this comes down to the wrong box being ticked on a form. The Commission say that his unusual entry was checked* at the time he made it (disputed, of course) but the report doesn't actually use that box-ticking** as a main thrust, it refers to the spending as if it belonged to either Grimes/BeLeave because the outcome is the same either way.
It's a shame that he sees Due Parliamentary Process as being such a waste of money, scandals of the last few years have surely taught him as well as anybody else that even our political structure needs oversight. I don't see it as 'thwarting' Brexit when the referendum was non-binding and any resultant mandate is devoid of any detail other than to leave the EU. Brexit will still happen just as politi-toadies all across the benches will continue to get away with as much as they feasibly can.
* Checked as in revisited for confirmation
** Ticked as in checked, for US readers
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Indeed, and it would be accurate to refer to them as such so long as there is an active denial or an ongoing appeal. It would also be accurate to refer to the guilty as guilty in the face of the guilty verdict - Ched Evans was, after all, "the rapist" until it turned out that he wasn't. He disputed the verdict, but because he was found guilty of rape he was a rapist; then he was found not guilty and he wasn't.
But the Electoral Commission isn't a judiciary body, and doesn't pass guilty verdicts, so we should be careful about drawing comparisons between a trial and an investigation. Indeed in this case, the EC has passed its findings on to the police with respect to determining if a crime has taken place and, should that go to a trial there may be a verdict that may also be disputable.
As things stand, the people found to be at fault dispute the fact that they have done anything wrong, and it's not inaccurate to refer to the conclusion as disputed.
