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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%

  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .
And in other news, the Green Party are launching their election manifesto during a rare, unsilenced hyper car track day at Cadwell Park.

It was either there or at a monster truck extravaganza at Newark Show Ground.
My old Modern Studies teacher, Robin Harper, was the UK's first Green parliamentarian (Scottish parliament) and was a co-leader of the Scottish Greens at one point - yesterday he officially joined the Labour party.
 
Man on the street gives surprisingly perspicacious summary of the issues surrounding Reform:

 
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A story in two tweets

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Nevermind the fact that Sunak was 10 when British Sky Broadcasting first broadcast in 1990 so he would have been over 15 and and would have left school by the the time it became a major force and an adult by the time it was truly ubiquitous and fighting competition from ITV and NTL.

It's like me, born in 1991, saying I made sacrifices because I didn't have Facebook growing up - yeah... because it didn't exist and wasn't popular until I was older anyway.
 
Nevermind the fact that Sunak was 10 when British Sky Broadcasting first broadcast in 1990 so he would have been over 15 and and would have left school by the the time it became a major force and an adult by the time it was truly ubiquitous and fighting competition from ITV and NTL.
Calling it Sky TV as we now think of it might not be technically correct, but I'm slightly older than Sunak and I remember feeling like I was missing out on Satellite TV when I was 10. Not that it legitimises the point he was pretending to make, but it's a sound memory to have of growing up.
 
Given the probable land slide result for labour, with the Conservatives, the Lib Dems and Reform all being predicted as becoming the opposition - I'm expecting much more talk about PR and FPTP, which puts me in mind of 2011...

DavCam here handing out no to AV leaflets...

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and this being one of the more memorable ads ...

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As someone that believes we need some form of PR, on the one hand I'm really looking forward to this issue (very likely) being raised again... on the other hand, it's going to be championed by the worst bunch of people.
 
Good luck getting Labour to agree to voting reform, after they get a 150-200 seat majority on 40% of the vote :lol:

Full PR isn't the way to go, but maybe the AV system to replace FPTP. I do think it's important to keep directly-elected constituency MPs, but make them have to get 50% of the local vote.
 
Good luck getting Labour to agree to voting reform, after they get a 150-200 seat majority on 40% of the vote :lol:
IIRC, other than a brief couple of weeks where he was on about making it a pledge, Starmer's not been in favour of it even when against a large Conservative majority. What I think is different this time around, is that a lot more people are probably going to feel marginalised by FPTP, including the more 'vocal elements' on the right. I am stereotyping here, but the kinds of people I know that'll vote for Farage/Reform do not understand the current electoral system, they've probably voted Conservative in the past and as such, generally felt that the system facilitates their views - that's going to egregiously not be the case this time around. Add to that Tories that will just be complaining about Labours disproportionate majority (they already are) feeding the debate, and the Greens and Lib Dems were already advocating PR.

Ultimately Labour would be able to keep it out, but it's going to get bumped up the national consciousness a lot more, which is good thing, IMHO.

Full PR isn't the way to go, but maybe the AV system to replace FPTP.
I don't think AV was a very good idea. One of the first GE's we'd have had under AV would have been less proportional than FPTP. Single Transferable Vote is the way to go, IMHO.

Of course, how we cast and count the votes is only one part of the problem. The combative us/them, win/lose attitude of our politicians versus the collaborative efforts required for the good of constituents is a problem that could take generations of politicians to change.
 
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Reform predicted to pick up some seats but nowhere near official Opposition territory, as Nigel & his mates in the right wing press would have people believe. They keep mentioning that one Yougov poll and ignore about ten others that all had Reform behind - funny that.
 
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Reform predicted to pick up some seats but nowhere near official Opposition territory, as Nigel & his mates in the right wing press would have people believe. They keep mentioning that one Yougov poll and ignore about ten others that all had Reform behind - funny that.
The estimated percentage of Reform votes for the area I live in is a little depressing, but not surprising given how many voted UKIP in the past. :banghead:

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The estimated percentage of Reform votes for the area I live in is a little depressing, but not surprising given how many voted UKIP in the past. :banghead:

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Farage is always a one trick pony. He rallies the popular vote for whatever grievance is flavour of the month, but his/their other policies are just pure fantasy. You look at their manifesto and their figures just don't add up. To use a popular conservative quote, they all rely on 'the magic money tree'. But his fans don't care, they only care about brown and trans people.
 
The estimated percentage of Reform votes for the area I live in is a little depressing, but not surprising given how many voted UKIP in the past. :banghead:

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The comfort I take is that this looks like the peak of the far right support. Even in favourable times for them they top out at 20-25%. There isn’t a path to power here, unlike a lot of other countries at the moment.
 
The comfort I take is that this looks like the peak of the far right support. Even in favourable times for them they top out at 20-25%. There isn’t a path to power here, unlike a lot of other countries at the moment.
True, it's always been this way here so I wouldn't expect it to peak much beyond this (except for Clacton).

What I find funny is that the candidate for my area has "Fairness" listed as his top priority, saying "everyone should be treated fairly, and we should play by the same rules.". I guess that doesn't apply to trans people though since one of their party policies is to 'Ban Transgender ideology in schools'. :rolleyes:

I sort of hope he comes here on the campaign trail as I really want to ask him about his hair.

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Never mind investigating Tory MPs and their protection cops for betting on the election date, the Gambling Commission should be checking if Sunak & co have been betting on losing the thing. There's no way they could be this incompetent & useless by accident.
 
...the Gambling Commission should be checking if Sunak & co have been betting on losing the thing.
That's what they call an 'odds-on favourite' - so rubbish odds on offer for that particular bet.
 
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