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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%
  • Total voters
    29
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Liquid
I read social media speculation that Britain First has retconned 6 months worth of tweets and deleted all the ones which contained, photographed or had articles mentioning Thomas Mair.
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Yep, shame people had already found them.
 
Famine
Would that not class as contempt of court?
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Difficult, their tweets are their property to display (or not). They're liable for the contents of those tweets (or the individual tweeties are), simply retracting or editing one's tweets is legal. As the police can retrieve the tweet history directly from tweeter there's no contempt issue unless BF have been directed to supply them and have then tampered directly with a submission.

Famine
I think he's being tried for murder at the moment.
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That and GBH to the elderly gent who intervened.
 
TenEightyOne
GBH to the elderly gent who intervened.
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An MP on the street in broad daylight outside a public library in her own constituency, having just left a question/complaint session when she is attacked for 15 minutes - a bloody quarter of an hour! And nobody, but nobody, does anything to help her except a retired colliery worker returning a book to the library. How can such a thing happen? Where was her husband, her aides, her constituents when it really mattered? Does it seem reasonable to conclude that nobody in her constituency cared enough to do so? Perhaps they were really, really angry with her?
 
Dotini
An MP on the street in broad daylight outside a public library in her own constituency, having just left a question/complaint session when she is attacked for 15 minutes - a bloody quarter of an hour! And nobody, but nobody, does anything to help her except a retired colliery worker returning a book to the library. How can such a thing happen? Where was her husband, her aides, her constituents when it really mattered? Does it seem reasonable to conclude that nobody in her constituency cared enough to do so? Perhaps they were really, really angry with her?
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No it doesn't seem reasonable to conclude that at all.
 
It seems more reasonable to conclude that most people didn't want to pick a fight with a violent man with a gun and a knife.
 
Scaff
No it doesn't seem reasonable to conclude that at all.
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Don't know why. I've seen nothing to contradict such a conclusion. She had served less than a year and complaints/threats about her had amounted to mountainous levels in the last 3 months. People could have shouted, thrown shoes or library books at him. But no. A peaceful land, a quiet people.
 
Or maybe most people instinctively stay away from a man, when they see him shoot a woman three times and then start stabbing her, out of fear of getting shot and stabbed. Most people would struggle to name their local MP, let alone recognise them in the street.
 
Roger the Horse
Or maybe most people instinctively stay away from a man, when they see him shoot a woman three times and then start stabbing her, out of fear of getting shot and stabbed. Most people would struggle to name their local MP, let alone recognise them in the street.
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One little guy, attacking a woman for 15 minutes, and she gets no help. Shameful. What was her hubby doing, running away?
 
Hun200kmh
Taking care of their kids? Seriously @Dotini what are you getting at?
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She was assaulted with some antique blunderbuss, and finally stabbed and kicked to death for a full quarter hour in the heart of her own constituency.

I know of no place I have ever been in the world where such a thing could happen without aides, family and constituency intervening in some meaningful way. And then the perp saunters away, unapproached.

One possible conclusion is that nobody gave enough of a rat's ass to intervene, to shout, to throw a rock, book or shoe. Could it be that the people there at the scene were less than helpful?
 
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Nessy
Unlikely. More of a possibility bystanders were scared for their own lives.
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Afraid enough to let the guy walk away and not say boo. You live in a weird place with which I am unfamiliar.
 
Dotini
Afraid enough to let the guy walk away and not say boo. You live in a weird place with which I am unfamiliar.
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Have you personally intervened in a situation (unarmed) that potentially puts yourself in danger?
 
In any case it's one thing to criticize bystanders (if indeed they existed) for doing nothing or just running for their own safety.

AND

It's a completely different thing to speak of her husband (mentioned depreciatively as "hubby" ) as if he was there and to suggest the possibility of him watching her own wife being murdered and running away.
 
Hun200kmh
In any case it's one thing to criticize bystanders (if indeed they existed) for doing nothing or just running for their own safety.

AND

It's a completely different thing to speak of her husband (mentioned depreciatively as "hubby" ) as if he was there and to suggest the possibility of him watching her own wife being murdered and running away.
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He wasn't there? In fact, who was? Was she completely alone?
 
First - You check if he was there.

Second - If he was there you ask what did he do

Third - If he wasn't or you can't know if he was, you don't mention him as "hubby" and you don't ask if he ran away while his wife was being murdered.

It's called "decency" and it applies on the internet too.
 
Hun200kmh
First - You check if he was there.

Second - If he was there you ask what did he do

Third - If he wasn't or you can't know if he was, you don't mention him as "hubby" and you don't ask if he ran away while his wife was being murdered.

It's called "decency" and it applies on the internet too.
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I'd also recommend that @Dotini substantiate his claim that the attack lasted for 15 minutes, that seems a long time when people were (according to eyewitnesses) calling the police immediately.

Dotini, do you think her husband should have been with her, and, if so, why?
 
Dotini
She was assaulted with some antique blunderbuss, and finally stabbed and kicked to death for a full quarter hour in the heart of her own constituency.

I know of no place I have ever been in the world where such a thing could happen without aides, family and constituency intervening in some meaningful way. And then the perp saunters away, unapproached.

The only possible conclusion is that nobody gave enough of a rat's ass to intervene, to shout, to throw a rock, book or shoe. Could it be that the people there at the scene hated her?
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Firstly, where are you getting this 'quarter hour' thing from? And what antique blunderbuss? From the eyewitness reports it seems that everything happened pretty quickly, and that by the time people figured out what was happening police were arriving and the terrible thing had occurred. She was alone, I don't know of any MP that goes to constituency meetings with their partner (who was presumably at his place of work or looking after their young children) and a team of aides. She likely met with her constituents, held surgery, and then left shortly after everyone else.

The fact remains the man had a gun and a knife. You're obviously not familiar with the UK but you presumably know enough to realise that not even police officers are armed here. And while everyone envisions themselves heroically intervening, most people will either freeze up or run away. Besides, multiple eyewitnesses report running over to try and help, but by the time they could get there the attack was over, and people (sensibly) turned their attention to helping her rather than going after an unstable, armed man (which is a task better suited to the police, who were on hand shortly afterwards).

It is, (in my opinion at least) downright disrespectful to Jo Cox, her loved ones and the people of Birstall to speculate that she was 'hated' by her constituents. The tributes, memorials and vigils seem to suggest quite the opposite, and from her brief history in parliament I certainly can't see any reason why someone would hate her.
 
Dotini
She was assaulted with some antique blunderbuss, and finally stabbed and kicked to death for a full quarter hour in the heart of her own constituency.

I know of no place I have ever been in the world where such a thing could happen without aides, family and constituency intervening in some meaningful way. And then the perp saunters away, unapproached.

The only possible conclusion is that nobody gave enough of a rat's ass to intervene, to shout, to throw a rock, book or shoe. Could it be that the people there at the scene hated her?
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Your post is based on speculation and not fact, given that the full details of exactly what happened and the exact time frame is not know to anyone right now.

What we do know is that in her local area she was well respected, the threats she had recieved (and you got her reaction to a spectacularly wrong) were most likely from the likes of the far right. However again we do not know, as it's still subject to police investigation.

What I would strongly suggest is that you stop with the derogatory comments about a subject you quite clearly know no more about than we do and appear to be posting simply to see what kind of reaction you can get.

You have behaved in such a manner before, and it's no more acceptable now that it was in the past.
 
Dotini
Afraid enough to let the guy walk away and not say boo. You live in a weird place with which I am unfamiliar.
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If only you'd been there.

Hun200kmh
First - You check if he was there.

Second - If he was there you ask what did he do

Third - If he wasn't or you can't know if he was, you don't mention him as "hubby" and you don't ask if he ran away while his wife was being murdered.

It's called "decency" and it applies on the internet too.
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Agreed.

& I came very close to swearing on GTP there.
 
The Stig Farmer
Don't know what chivalrous world you're believing in @Dotini but the animal reaction is to avoid the danger, not tackle the knife-wielder head on defenseless
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Depends. People will do extraordinary things for a loved one. I suppose @Dotini is questioning how deep and widespread the "loved one" tag went for the people in her area. It would be a fair question under certain circumstances, but it seems that we simply don't know if this situation featured such circumstances.

Cousin Karl would deduce that there is simply a lack of alpha males, no doubt - and that Muslim men are filling the alpha male vacuum, walking all over their clueless adopters. Not that that would be sexist, xenophobic, or that @Dotini would agree, of course.
 
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Dotini
Does it seem reasonable to conclude that nobody in her constituency cared enough to do so? Perhaps they were really, really angry with her?
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I know you like to play devil's advocate and say silly things "satirically" but have you graduated to full on trolling? No, it is not remotely reasonable to hear about people avoiding someone with a knife and a gun who just murdered someone in broad daylight and conclude it was because they hated the victim.
 
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Dotini
One little guy, attacking a woman for 15 minutes, and she gets no help. Shameful. What was her hubby doing, running away?
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Frankly, many of your recent comments are beneath you... this particular comment is also patently untrue. An elderly man was stabbed trying to help, and others backed off when the attacker pulled a homemade gun from his bag and then shot Cox before proceeding to stab her repeatedly. With the damage already done, what good would it do to have others risk their own lives in order to apprehend the guy, rather than leave the job to trained (and appropriately armed) professionals? As for the comment about her husband 'running away', seriously - what the hell? Get a grip, and quit trying to make nasty insinuations that are unnecessary and irrelevant.
 

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