BST V8 Challenge S3 | COMPLETED

[V8-Johnboy]

Just so we understand then kerbs are cool as track anything outside of this is not allowed?

 

[jonzster]

Keep it as is, 2 wheels on track/ 2 on curb, otherwise it's 2 off track/2 on curb. Why do you need to ride the whole curb? 2 wheels should be kept on the tarmac at all times imho.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Keep it as is, 2 wheels on track/ 2 on curb, otherwise it's 2 off track/2 on curb. Why do you need to ride the whole curb? 2 wheels should be kept on the tarmac at all times imho.

Oh gould Jonzster have you looked at the link posted by JK2 a few posts back whats your opinion on that?? We are trying to make things fairer on the super clean guys who we feel at tracks like this are losing out to some.

 

[Gedi69]

Keep it as is, 2 wheels on track/ 2 on curb, otherwise it's 2 off track/2 on curb. Why do you need to ride the whole curb? 2 wheels should be kept on the tarmac at all times imho.

Atleast someones got a brain :-)

 

[jonzster]

Looked at the pics, yourself and Gedi would still need to check cutting, just looking at those pics all the way over on the green tarmac is cutting but 2 on the curb and 2 on the green stuff isn't, for me it's easier to see if some ones cutting if the 2 wheels on track at at all times rule is observed.

 

[Sail IC]

Any rules are fine as long as we all use the same ones. I didn't see anything regarding what is the track and what is viewed as cutting in the first posts so I just wanted to clarify things.

I spent most time racing in a league which is not on GTplanet. Fast (some faster than me) and fair racers, most between 25-40 so no kids. We actually never used Monza or Le Mans because corner cutting potentiall comes into play here.

To my knowledge, most leagues use the track rule I outlined in an earier post. Personally I think its going too much outside of what I think should be counted as the track, but I have gotten used to it.

I don't think this league wants a ton of rules. So regarding what is counted as the track and how much of the car (tires) needs to be on it. It needs to be simple to understand, and well understood of all.

 

[jonzster]

Atleast someones got a brain :-)

First time I've been accused of that

 

[jonzster]

I watch a fair bit of motorsport but mainly F1, where as everyone who follows it knows that using the whole curb is deemed illegal and why they stick those bollards in the way and raise curbs.

 

[Sail IC]

How about this ....

I think most tracks has a white line on each side of the track, and these lines goes inside of the curbs. Minimum two wheels needs to be inside of these lines at all tiimes.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

I will be blunt after watching Monza the 2 quickest guys in this imo must class kerb as track because thats the line they are both using more often than not personally i dont really give a monkeys either way but its getting pretty dull trying to keep to the 2 wheel on track rule when others are clearly not or unaware whats allowed.

 

[Sail IC]

I watch a fair bit of motorsport but mainly F1, where as everyone who follows it knows that using the whole curb is deemed illegal and why they stick those bollards in the way and raise curbs.

The difference is that in the real world, the curbs upset the car much more than in GT5, but I do think they also have the whole car on the curbs sometimes. For sure DTM racing do, and they also take the whole car outside of the white lines at tracks like Nurnburg.

 

[jonzster]

Any rules are fine as long as we all use the same ones -..-

👍

 

[Sail IC]

I will be blunt after watching Monza the 2 quickest guys in this imo must class kerb as track because thats the line they are both using more often than not personally i dont really give a monkeys either way but its getting pretty dull trying to keep to the 2 wheel on track rule when others are clearly not or unaware whats allowed.

This is why I think its important that we all know what is view as the track, hence why I started this discussion. We all want to race under the same rules.

 

[jonzster]

The difference is that in the real world, the curbs upset the car much more than in GT5, but I do think they also have the whole car on the curbs sometimes. For sure DTM racing do, and they also take the whole car outside of the white lines at tracks like Nurnburg.

Yeah and someone always takes those single bollards out first chance they get

 

[Gedi69]

First time I've been accused of that

It was a compliment :-)

 

[jonzster]

This is why I think its important that we all know what is view as the track, hence why I started this discussion. We all want to race under the same rules.

Gedi posted detailed pics of what is allowed and what isn't before Monza, then JB reposted as a reminder before the race, I missed it myself untill I searched back through some posts. Maybe an example could be posted on the first page?

 

[V8-Johnboy]

This is why I think its important that we all know what is view as the track, hence why I started this discussion. We all want to race under the same rules.

Well if its a vote thing i vote 2 wheels on kerb is track not because i necassarily agree with it but because i know what we say wont make a hell of alot of difference so i'd rather have the option to do so. Anything outside of this behond reason and frequently i would expect to be penilised for.
Just my 2 pennies worth.

 

[jonzster]

It was a compliment :-)

ty mate

 

[Gedi69]

Gedi posted detailed pics of what is allowed and what isn't before Monza, then JB reposted as a reminder before the race, I missed it myself untill I searched back through some posts. Maybe an example could be posted on the first page?

What's the point! I've said plenty of times that:

Tarmac=track
Kerbs are not Tarmac are they.

Think were fighting a losing battle so as my partner says "if you can't beat them...Then join em"

 

[Gedi69]

Well if its a vote thing i vote 2 wheels on kerb is track not because i necassarily agree with it but because i know what we say wont make a hell of alot of difference so i'd rather have the option to do so. Anything outside of this behond reason and frequently i would expect to be penilised for.
Just my 2 pennies worth.

But now we've said kerbs are ok.. They will now be totally off the kerbs lol

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Atleast someones got a brain :-)

I think everyone here is blessed with common sense Gedi maybe its not clear enough or unworkable/impractical etc i dont know but i keep stressing its so unfair for the tidy guys to carry on suffering that my point basically.👍

 

[jonzster]

What's the point! I've said plenty of times that:

Tarmac=track
Kerbs are not Tarmac are they.

Think were fighting a losing battle so as my partner says "if you can't beat them...Then join em"

I'll go along with it if it makes everyones life easier, but as you say I thought the 2 wheels on track/tarmac/blackstuff at all times rule was quite clear.

 

[jonzster]

But now we've said kerbs are ok.. They will now be totally off the kerbs lol

A point I raised

 

[V8-Johnboy]

What's the point! I've said plenty of times that:

Tarmac=track
Kerbs are not Tarmac are they.

Think were fighting a losing battle so as my partner says "if you can't beat them...Then join em"

Yes i have because i think us trolling through hours of replays here especially then discussing whats border line whats legal what isnt etc for every driver is practically impossible and not something i fancy doing. Last thing im saying is have an open rule book where anything goes but simply relax the rule a little to make life easier remember S1 we never even discussed this sort of thing we just left it to common sense and that worked i think?

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Above is good.👍

Above is naughty and void:tdown:

Why the above picture is so hard to understand is beyond me, if everyone kept to the first picture that would be great but some dont so hows that fair??

 

[Gedi69]

I'll go along with it if it makes everyones life easier, but as you say I thought the 2 wheels on track/tarmac/blackstuff at all times rule was quite clear.

Thanks jonzster

 

[jonzster]

Yes i have because i think us trolling through hours of replays here especially then discussing whats border line whats legal what isnt etc for every driver is practically impossible and not something i fancy doing. Last thing im saying is have an open rule book where anything goes but simply relax the rule a little to make life easier remember S1 we never even discussed this sort of thing we just left it to common sense and that worked i think?

That's fine then. I think some confusion has arisen because we had strict instructions to keeps 2 wheels on track for Monza qualifiying (and race) however it was not followed so strictly during the actual race.

 

[jonzster]

That bottom pic = proper corner cutting even if your outside wheels were on the curb it would still have been cutting. Top pic is the legal way, the 2 outside wheels are still on the track but just barely! that's pin point accuracy and skilled driving.

 

[Sail IC]

Thanks for posting the photo again.

Normally the curbs are only the part that is painted red/white, so even if the curbs would be viewed is part of the track, the car in the bottom photo is outside of the track, ir cutting.

 

[Sail IC]

Again.... I'm fine either way, but we have to agree what rule we use.