Cadillac CTS-V Coupe '11 vs. BMW M3 Coupe '07 @ Suzuka!

[crowhop]

Then there's the creature comforts, BMW often gets rave reviews for its driving experience, but the interior is as bare bones and boring as can be. Do you think all car manufacturers should focus only on performance forget about anything else such as interior comforts that mayb 80% of buyers actually care about? A Caddy CTS-V, regardless of your opinion on big HP numbers has all the comforts you could ever ask for, making a BMW M3 looks rather cheap in comparison.

Right on with this in one regard. If you ignore the badges and ignore the country of manufacture, 95% of drivers would absolutely take that Cadillac over most any car in a head to head comparison if the prices are similar. The CTS-V Wagon, Coupe and Sedan are three excellent cars for their market.

Modern BMW's aren't boring though.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

It's interesting to note that the BMW 135i Coupe '07 ran a best of 2:24.208 or 3.067 seconds slower than the M3 '07.

3.0L
302 hp / 6,000 rpm
295 ft-lb / 1,500 rpm
1,560 kg
455 pp

versus the M3's

4.0L
414 hp / 8,500 rpm
295 ft-lb / 4,000 rpm
1,655 kg
488 pp

Same torque, different peak rpm. Turbochargers 👍

As for the Veyron, it ran a low 2:07 just like the McLaren F1.

 

[Swagger897]

Then there's the creature comforts, BMW often gets rave reviews for its driving experience, but the interior is as bare bones and boring as can be. Do you think all car manufacturers should focus only on performance forget about anything else such as interior comforts that mayb 80% of buyers actually care about? A Caddy CTS-V, regardless of your opinion on big HP numbers has all the comforts you could ever ask for, making a BMW M3 looks rather cheap in comparison.

To be fair, the CTS-V doesnt look very appealing at all.. To many buttons and the reviews ive read about its MMI from GM sounds to be like a waste...
An M3's interior I'd say is much better due to almost all functions are able to be controlled in its MMI, while having minimal plasitic buttons... BMW has come a long way with their interiors. I remember a 325i of my neighbors and that car was looooooaaaaded with buttons. It was impossible just to figure out how to change the time by one hour.

Arguments like this drive me nuts because you want to argue such a narrow point of view and don't take into consideration all of the factors and criteria that an auto manufacturer has to sift through and decide where production cost is best spent to hit their target audience, and I can tell you for a fact, handling is not at the top of the list for any manufacturer although for some it may be higher on the list than others.

And on my final note I'll leave you with this. VEYRON.

Im sorry but straightline speed involves a few variables as compared to track performance.. I imagine drag coefficients, internal friction, and horsepower play into straightline speed, whilst it doesnt take care of suspension at all, which takes much more depth to understand..

I couldnt care less about your final statement... I actually like the car a bit. Although it doesnt do to well in turns, or on mpg, id rather put it in a gulf livery and just have fun. Not park it in front of the Hotel de Paris and show how big of a wallet i have... but tbh, an RS7 would do just fine for me. Id like to see a V10 option too.[/QUOTE]

 

[BobbyBRAKEaNek]

I knew I would get myself into this...
But that's the only stereotypical thing Americans care for, (the majority where I'm from) is straight line speed, and hp. Dump power in a car, and call it the greatest thing ever...

People dont want to give up their options and the cars that you are referring to are on old platforms that are about to be phased out. The truely great American cars are arriving and headed down the pipeline.