Can someone explain this in detail or give me an article?

[scottb153]

So I've took another DR knock or reset from 32.000 to about 18.000 for a 2 second penalty it's killed it for me I'm really angry that this is the case when you reach A, one 2 bad races reset you cmon wtf ... this might be me last post tbh I'm in the right mind to lob this piece of trash.

 

[Jenkins097]

You are not the only one mate. I've had the same problem. Always make it to A then something stupid happens and I'm down to C D rank. Just bought a copy of project cars 2 hope that games more fun.

 

[scottb153]

What a shame I was really enjoying it.

 

[daan]

So I've took another DR knock or reset from 32.000 to about 18.000 for a 2 second penalty it's killed it for me I'm really angry that this is the case when you reach A, one 2 bad races reset you cmon wtf ... this might be me last post tbh I'm in the right mind to lob this piece of trash.

You need to get your safety rating up, but you know this...

I'll keep all this in mind, I knew sportsmanship was the main emphasis in Sport and feel satisfaction the cleaner the races are,

Yet you've only had an SR of 99 on 6 days out of your 192.

http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=1025046

That can't all be other people.

 

[scottb153]

You need to get your safety rating up, but you know this...


Yet you've only had an SR of 99 on 6 days out of your 192.

http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=1025046

That can't all be other people.

No it's not ,not at all that wasn't my question nor did I ask you to keep judging me off, I was simply asking how the system works buts it's okay like you said I've played all them days I've sort of got the scope now, and if that's it after I gain an S in the SR your saying this wouldn't have happened, maybe telling me that would make you a better mod.

 

[Jenkins097]

You need to get your safety rating up, but you know this...


Yet you've only had an SR of 99 on 6 days out of your 192.

http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=1025046

That can't all be other people.

It can be other people. I was stuck in C or B rating for a good month. If you start lower down in the grid with these savages you can't get out. Unless you drive slow as to avoid them scared of your rating going down and therefore will have no fun for a good while trying to get a safety rating up. Tough choice.

 

[scottb153]

Exactly people are horrible if you accidentally or purposely hit someone in the side of the car, no penalty!! So people abuse this.

 

[Famine]

So I've took another DR knock or reset from 32.000 to about 18.000 for a 2 second penalty it's killed it for me I'm really angry that this is the case when you reach A, one 2 bad races reset you cmon wtf

That's not true though is it.

If your SR is at the same level as your DR, or higher, one or two bad races won't do anything. A single, two-second penalty on its own certainly won't. And, let's remember, your DR can't exceed your SR on the way up, so your SR must have been at least A in order to get your DR up to A - and SR A starts at 65.

So fact 1: Your SR must have been at least 65 in order to have your DR at A.

DR resets happen when your SR falls two letters below your DR and at specific points boundaries.

You won't get a DR reset down from A unless your SR falls to 35 or less. You only lose around 2,000pt for a single, extremely bad race (or with a disconnect). If your DR has fallen from 32,000pt to 18,000pt in one race, you've experienced a DR reset down from A.

So fact 2: Your SR must have fallen to at most 35.


That is not the result of "one 2 bad races". That is not the result of a two-second penalty. That's the result of a number of successive races with an SR fall or disconnects, or races that you have quit. At least six, in fact.

It is possible to have an SR drop of nearly 20pt in one race. However, this requires you to get an orange SR down arrow in every sector of a race and rack up so many penalties that you are disqualified from the race. If that's happening you have bigger problems.


You've essentially put yourself into a position where acquiring one, two-second penalty has dropped you from 36 SR points to 35 SR points. But you lost 29 more points before that ever happened.

Surely you noticed being SR B, and then SR C?

It can be other people. I was stuck in C or B rating for a good month. If you start lower down in the grid with these savages you can't get out.

We're not talking about SR C/B and below. We're talking about a driver who has fallen from DR A and thus SR A, as one cannot reach DR A without first being SR A.

https://www.gtplanet.net/improve-maintain-good-sportsmanship-rating-gt-sport/
https://www.gtplanet.net/unravelling-mysteries-gt-sports-driver-rating-system-improve/

 

[daan]

No it's not ,not at all that wasn't my question nor did I ask you to keep judging me off, I was simply asking how the system works buts it's okay like you said I've played all them days I've sort of got the scope now, and if that's it after I gain an S in the SR your saying this wouldn't have happened, maybe telling me that would make you a better mod.

But you've been told you need to keep a high SR in a previous thread of yours, so why should I have to tell you again?

You have to have high SR as well - if you have a bad SR it will hold your DR down

30,000 is the A DR point.

CJ

Your SR is 45, needs to be higher otherwise you'll be held back. Try keeping it in the 90s and drive cleanly every race for consistency.

 

[scottb153]

That's not true though is it.

If your SR is at the same level as your DR, or higher, one or two bad races won't do anything. A single, two-second penalty on its own certainly won't. And, let's remember, your DR can't exceed your SR on the way up, so your SR must have been at least A in order to get your DR up to A - and SR A starts at 65.

So fact 1: Your SR must have been at least 65 in order to have your DR at A.

DR resets happen when your SR falls two letters below your DR and at specific points boundaries.

You won't get a DR reset down from A unless your SR falls to 35 or less. You only lose around 2,000pt for a single, extremely bad race (or with a disconnect). If your DR has fallen from 32,000pt to 18,000pt in one race, you've experienced a DR reset down from A.

So fact 2: Your SR must have fallen to at most 35.


That is not the result of "one 2 bad races". That is not the result of a two-second penalty. That's the result of a number of successive races with an SR fall or disconnects, or races that you have quit. At least six, in fact.

It is possible to have an SR drop of nearly 20pt in one race. However, this requires you to get an orange SR down arrow in every sector of a race and rack up so many penalties that you are disqualified from the race. If that's happening you have bigger problems.


You've essentially put yourself into a position where acquiring one, two-second penalty has dropped you from 36 SR points to 35 SR points. But you lost 29 more points before that ever happened.

Surely you noticed being SR B, and then SR C?

We're not talking about SR C/B and below. We're talking about a driver who has fallen from DR A and thus SR A, as one cannot reach DR A without first being SR A.

https://www.gtplanet.net/improve-maintain-good-sportsmanship-rating-gt-sport/
https://www.gtplanet.net/unravelling-mysteries-gt-sports-driver-rating-system-improve/

I thought every race would have been logged I forgot to save the
replay too, but I'm being serious I got reset after someone got angry bumped me off,waited abit then gave me a penalty by sliding down my car as I was turning into a corner so he went of the track deliberately,

It was 2.00 seconds I've not quit a race since I got my reset last time I'm not lying here I'm really disappointed but seeing people can do it gives me hope I suppose.

 

[Jenkins097]

I thought every race would have been logged I forgot to save the
replay too, but I'm being serious I got reset after someone got angry bumped me off,waited abit then gave me a penalty by sliding down my car as I was turning into a corner so he went of the track deliberately,

It was 2.00 seconds I've not quit a race since I got my reset last time I'm not lying here I'm really disappointed but seeing people can do it gives me hope I suppose.

I agree I've been reset to C D before for a 5 second penalty that wasn't even my fault. A few days ago I had hope to reach A+ but not anymore you could spend weeks getting it up and 1 brake check or something that wasn't your fault could take it away from you.

 

[scottb153]

Unless I'm just usless you tell me?? You've the stats am I wasting my time playing this game could I ever achieve S S or A+ S ?..

 

[Sven Jurgens]

That's not true though is it.

If your SR is at the same level as your DR, or higher, one or two bad races won't do anything. A single, two-second penalty on its own certainly won't. And, let's remember, your DR can't exceed your SR on the way up, so your SR must have been at least A in order to get your DR up to A - and SR A starts at 65.

So fact 1: Your SR must have been at least 65 in order to have your DR at A.

DR resets happen when your SR falls two letters below your DR and at specific points boundaries.

You won't get a DR reset down from A unless your SR falls to 35 or less. You only lose around 2,000pt for a single, extremely bad race (or with a disconnect). If your DR has fallen from 32,000pt to 18,000pt in one race, you've experienced a DR reset down from A.

So fact 2: Your SR must have fallen to at most 35.


That is not the result of "one 2 bad races". That is not the result of a two-second penalty. That's the result of a number of successive races with an SR fall or disconnects, or races that you have quit. At least six, in fact.

It is possible to have an SR drop of nearly 20pt in one race. However, this requires you to get an orange SR down arrow in every sector of a race and rack up so many penalties that you are disqualified from the race. If that's happening you have bigger problems.


You've essentially put yourself into a position where acquiring one, two-second penalty has dropped you from 36 SR points to 35 SR points. But you lost 29 more points before that ever happened.

Surely you noticed being SR B, and then SR C?

We're not talking about SR C/B and below. We're talking about a driver who has fallen from DR A and thus SR A, as one cannot reach DR A without first being SR A.

https://www.gtplanet.net/improve-maintain-good-sportsmanship-rating-gt-sport/
https://www.gtplanet.net/unravelling-mysteries-gt-sports-driver-rating-system-improve/

It's very easy to have an SR drop of over 20 in a race, even without any penalties after the change. Become stuck in a pinball fest and the SR goes down fast. In race A or B having a 40 point drop isn't that hard to get in a single race. Basically you get hit once, drive on eggshells the rest of the race to avoid a red rating.

It is possible to have an SR drop of nearly 20pt in one race. However, this requires you to get an orange SR down arrow in every sector of a race and rack up so many penalties that you are disqualified from the race. If that's happening you have bigger problems.

That's nonsense. One early race on St Croix I had a 4 sec penalty from a bump passer and later another 1 second penalty from someone running into the back of me and went from 99 to 81 in one race with the rest all green arrows. I have had 15 point drops just from getting bumped off a couple times and bumped from behind without any penalties issued to either car.

My record is an 85 point SR drop in a single race C, from draft bumping on Bluemoon without ever seeing SR Down or getting a penalty. Yet I have also had a nearly 40 pt drop from the first half lap in Monza, getting stuck in a pinball wreck fest, while the rest of the race had no further contact or track penalties.

It's true that when you generally do your best to avoid contact you won't be reset and as long as you stick to race C your SR should keep going up. Yet a 20 pt drop isn't that hard to get if you start in the back field. One idiot not braking for the first turn, creating a chain reaction can already lose you all the points you could have gotten for race C. If it happens again in lap 2, you're screwed.

I've had the 'pleasure' of driving in the backfield at SR.B on St Croix and it took 5 races to get to SR.A, then just one more to get to SR.S and another to get back to 99 SR. Too much bumping is racing going on down there. It only took 2 races to get to SR.B from 99. I did not quit, I drove carefully, yet I drove from the back and got run off by the 'fast' people that crashed up front then had to drive through me to regain their position asap.

It is the real avoid the diver simulator now

 

[rono_thomas]

Unless I'm just usless you tell me?? You've the stats am I wasting my time playing this game could I ever achieve S S or A+ S ?..

If your quick enough yes, plenty do.

 

[Famine]

It's very easy to have an SR drop of over 20 in a race, even without any penalties after the change. Become stuck in a pinball fest and the SR goes down fast. In race A or B having a 40 point drop isn't that hard to get in a single race. Basically you get hit once, drive on eggshells the rest of the race to avoid a red rating.

There must have been a massive change in how SR is counted then, as even shortcutting every corner, hitting every barrier and getting counted out to DSQ based on penalty accumulation, my record is 23, in Race A.


I simply don't believe it's possible to drop from 65 to 35 from a single two-second penalty though.

 

[ARTAsean]

That's the result of a number of successive races with an SR fall or disconnects, or races that you have quit. At least six, in fact.

His KudosPrime says it all. Over 1000 Sport races, yet he's only finished less than 700 of them. So he quits races a LOT.

Looking at his SR/DR tracker confirms this behavior.

If I had to guess, (and I'm not starting a witch hunt) this guy is a habitual race-quitter to keep his ranks down, for poles and wins. Maybe one day he decided to try for DR A/A+ and wasn't aware DR resets were a thing.

 

[Famine]

His KudosPrime says it all. Over 1000 Sport races, yet he's only finished less than 700 of them. So he quits races a LOT.

Looking at his SR/DR tracker confirms this behavior.

If I had to guess, (and I'm not starting a witch hunt) this guy is a habitual race-quitter to keep his ranks down, for poles and wins. Maybe one day he decided to try for DR A/A+ and wasn't aware DR resets were a thing.

I reckon mine will tell a similar tale though - and I spent the first month being sensible, then testing out the limits to see what would happen so we could write the GTP articles on it. Not sure I quit all that many races, as I initially drove my SR down by hitting things (not cars) and shortcutting, to see the effects. Since FIA season 1 I've been rebuilding it, and I'm pretty sure I got the poles/wins trophy while on the way back up.

It's not always that straightforward.

 

[Jenkins097]

It's nice all you guys especially the moderators spent all there time attacking him rather than spending there time trying to help him

 

[Team THRT Drift]

It's nice all you guys especially the moderators spent all there time attacking him rather than spending there time trying to help him

But they were helping him. They offered their sensible 2 cents and he gets defensive for @daan telling him that he should already know about the requirement for SR to he higher than DR.

As you know we're all bound by the agreement that we all watched their "try not to look bad" (sportsmanship) video; and have read and signed the terms of agreement.

We're not saying it's not possible to get heavily penalised for something you didn't cause. We all understand the penalty system is a WIP. Some people come off on top and some get shoved down to the bottom of the rankings.

However, to go on a tirade and not accept sensible answers and even criticisms, is not sportmanlike behavior now is it?




I personally play Race B and Race C. I've had a very recent and very short career. My career is only a few days old, with, I'll say 14 races under my belt (I'm not sure of the exact number) and I'm currently sitting at DR: B and SR: S

I only have 4 wins under my belt, a few podiums but mostly competitive or pole position qualifying times.

As @rono_thomas said, if you're quick enough you can [rank up] fairly easily.

Try to avoid other players; try not hit anyone; try to keep your cool and behave. Don't want to be in the back of the pack? Hit the qualifiers. Don't even think about qualifying during that small window before a race. Spend some time, learn the course, and push yourself.

That's it. Suck it up and drive on. This is what we'll have to deal with until they fine tune the system.


If you're interested, here's my profile

 

[rono_thomas]

Its also important to remember that for most, except for the top 1% who race each other (an example measurement not an exact figure) reaching an A + or S will be next to impossible. DR is a measurement of how quick you are versus other GTSport sport mode players, its not an accumulative figure that will always increase, as you approach your plateau your gains will become smaller and smaller.

 

[kjeldsen]

I had one, extremely horrible race, where i messed up and got distracted and messed up someone elses race.. i quit in shame and i am still paying the price. I have always tried not to focus too much on DR rating and only on SR, but after that race and with the weekly races i decided not give a damn and just race.. (clean of course). And i still have fun, the frustration is just less

http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=1325966

 

[Famine]

It's nice all you guys especially the moderators spent all there time attacking him rather than spending there time trying to help him

I mean, I literally explained to him everything that's wrong about his misconceptions, everything that's going on behind the scene, everything that he needs to do and linked him to the two articles - one of which I wrote - that explain everything about SR and DR, but yeah. Sure. If you like. I didn't spend any of my time trying to help him.

 

[Team THRT Drift]

I mean, I literally explained to him everything that's wrong about his misconceptions, everything that's going on behind the scene, everything that he needs to do and linked him to the two articles - one of which I wrote - that explain everything about SR and DR, but yeah. Sure. If you like. I didn't spend any of my time trying to help him.

You can be a real bully, Famine. with your... sensible, logical statements. How dare you??

 

[scottb153]

I knew about resets and DR cap already, I'm going again this time I'm recording it happen,

My fault for being shocked it went over a little scrape I didn't record it.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

There must have been a massive change in how SR is counted then, as even shortcutting every corner, hitting every barrier and getting counted out to DSQ based on penalty accumulation, my record is 23, in Race A.


I simply don't believe it's possible to drop from 65 to 35 from a single two-second penalty though.

Nah not from a single 2 second penalty, yet shortcuts and hitting barriers do not cause SR loss, they only prevent SR gain. Only hitting the pit wall results in SR down (minor). In Race A you get a max of 4 or 5 SR per race if you stay on the road in all sectors. In a 5 lap race, each sector is therefore only worth 0.25 or 0.33 SR depending on the track. DQ costs 5 SR. If you miss every green SR arrow and DQ you only lose 5 SR for the race, same as quitting right at the start.

Contact with another car though can be very costly. A 2 second penalty which used to be 5 sec is still -5 SR at least. Every little contact costs SR. Run into the back of a brake checker, which used to be 10 sec penalty, is still -10 SR, only the penalty has been turned off. Brush a wreck, no penalty now, still -10 SR. The game doesn't show SR Down anymore and penalties are not issued when no one leaves the track which makes people believe rubbing is fine now. SR is still taken off for every rub.

A 20 point drop in a daily A is pretty easy. Brush a wreck, hit a brake checker and one bump passer is -25 SR + the 5 SR for a further clean race = -20 SR, penalties or not. Or a bunch of hidden rubbing is racing SR deductions.

It's easy when you're part of the 1% that races at the top of the field. If you're in the middle of the bell curve you have a lot of traffic to negotiate along the way. Not that easy. Statistically speaking half of the people entering the race, start in the backfield


@scottb153 Keap at it. Try to anticipate other car's moves before they happen and over time you will learn the differences in how each car attacks a corner. Always drive with rear view mirror and radar. I spend more time looking at my rear view mirror going into a corner than looking at the apex. (and of course the car(s) in front) Concentrate on avoiding first before overtaking. As you have seen, there's no point raising DR if you can't maintain SR. However a high SR with low DR is no feast either as you'll be doomed to always start in the back and be grid filler for the 1%. B/A is probably where you'll have the most satisfying races.

 

[tps_b86_]

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Contact with another car though can be very costly. A 2 second penalty which used to be 5 sec is still -5 SR at least. Every little contact costs SR. Run into the back of a brake checker, which used to be 10 sec penalty, is still -10 SR, only the penalty has been turned off. Brush a wreck, no penalty now, still -10 SR. The game doesn't show SR Down anymore and penalties are not issued when no one leaves the track which makes people believe rubbing is fine now. SR is still taken off for every rub.
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This is the problem, people now don't know where the line is regarding proper sportsmanship. Previously you would get a big fat orange arrow (even for going off track sometimes) every time you misbehaved and that helped us learn, but the way it is now (not indicating SR down a lot of the time) gives the impression the pen/SR algorithm is random and therefore "broken"

I personally believe that PD have grown sick of trying to please people by making the pen/SR system more transparent. The moaning has still carried on so they have decided to hide the judgements away off screen as much as possible and just make player rely on the blue/red rating