Capital Punishment

[NissanSkylineN1]

Hi,
Im doing a debate at school and i am with capital punishment. I want your opinion on why capital punishment should be allowed.

 

[nk4e]

No more details than that? I do not think that Capital Punishment should be legal depending on case. There are instances that innocent men were wrongly convicted to death.

 

[Anghammarad]

Hi,
I want your opinion on why capital punishment should be allowed.

Sorry, can't help you there.

 

[Pupik]

In short, I believe in an eye for an eye for these types of things. If there is any reasonable doubt (not mere technicalities), or several inconsistencies in the case, then capital punishment ought to be withheld.

There's other reasons the death penalty should not be used:

• Forgiveness by the families of the victim.
• Obvious self-defense.
• When war is declared upon an engaged enemy combatant (and not a civilian).
• "Accidental" cases (industrial accidents within safety guidelines, inexplicable misfortune, et cetera)
• Insanity brought about by several external forces beyond the control of the accused.
• Young children or the obviously mentally retarded that are incapable of understanding right from wrong.

Just a few reasons, in my opinion. There's always gray areas where a judge and jury get to decide these things. Rare cases of extreme duress, for example...but those seem more like move/book plots than reality.

I don't think "because I took illegal drugs" or "drank too much" are acceptable excuses, to be honest. It's one thing if a doctor prescribes you the wrong medication/dosage, and you do something incredibly dangerous (see above); but quite another to self-medicate. At that point, you are responsible for what you decide to put in your body, and what happens after that is your responsibility.

There's also a few punishments I'd prefer for a select few really heinous criminals, which do not involve death, but those are generally illegal in the United States, and thus only for my own personal sick and twisted fantasies.

 

[Duke]

Why are we doing his homework for him?

 

[Omnis]

Why are we doing his homework for him?

Yeah, if he can't come up with something, let the anti-capital punishment debater win.

 

[zed300]

Tough one Nissan, seems like you got on the wrong side of the debate. With plenty of against from here.

In this day and age, it is fairly well been abolished in a lot of western societies.
But it has got us to were we are today. Imagine if, in eras gone by, capital punishment had not been in place. Many of our relatives going down the line to us here now, may not have been here, as authorities may not have had good enough security or resources to hold these prisoners for a lenghty time. So the criminal is on the run and using up the valuable resources tracking them down, and causing more potential harm to society than if hanged at given date.
Criminals of yesteryear were given very little lenience, as they were possibly not going to be rehabilitated back into society. In some cases an example had to be set for good of the great, so a little warning was handed out to the public to behave.
Officials of governing bodies saw fit control the masses in any manner they could come up with, and public capital punishment had fairly good responses to abidance.

 

[Pupik]

Why are we doing his homework for him?

Yeah, if he can't come up with something, let the anti-capital punishment debater win.

I suggest A Modest Proposal as further reading material, and should be included in his bibliography.

 

[breakpoint]

If there is no doubt the person committed the crime (any type of murder) then i say why are we paying to keep them alive until they die? Save or tax dollars and just get rid of them.

 

[Sureboss]

We are above the criminals, ergo we don't do what they do. We're a bit more evolved than that.

 

[breakpoint]

If you had to write a check at the end of the year instead of getting it slowly taken from you pay checks then you would see how much you really do pay in taxes you would just be so pissed off. I had my own company for almost 5 years and got raped in taxes, so much of it is just pork also....like feeding people that shouldn't even be fed. Theres a big difference between "criminals" and killers.

 

[Zrow]

This is an interesting topic to have as a thread, but you can tell this kid is going to lift entire posts and quote them verbatim in his debate.

 

[High-Test]

Quote Eddie Izzard. "You kill two people, you go to Texas, and they hit you with a brick. That's what they do."

Other than that, I'm vehemently anti capital punishment and I refuse to attempt to complete this assignment.

Plus, I'm a little twisted in half of my reasoning, which stems from having to pacify loud-mouth zealots whose outlooks haven't evolved past the 13th century. Why make someone OD on heroin when when they can instead pick up Bubba's soap for the rest of eternity?

 

[breakpoint]

Why make someone OD on heroin when when they can instead pick up Bubba's soap for the rest of eternity?

Heroin would be nice but no they don't give you that. Also for a good bit of people that are crims prison is actually better than real life. Most have cable, 3 meals a day, friends, power, drugs...etc. Ive been, the "bubbas soap" deal only applies to people that really ended up there and shouldn't have, i cheated on my taxes or i got caught with a pound of kush. And even then if they join a gang they have no worries, black, brown or white...there's no red so im screwed if i stay in for a bit

 

[nk4e]

I want to see the citation and credit for all this or I am telling!

 

[Sureboss]

If you had to write a check at the end of the year instead of getting it slowly taken from you pay checks then you would see how much you really do pay in taxes you would just be so pissed off. I had my own company for almost 5 years and got raped in taxes, so much of it is just pork also....like feeding people that shouldn't even be fed. Theres a big difference between "criminals" and killers.

Don't care at all, my morals are worth more than my money. I also know how much taxes get paid, it doesn't matter. We are above the criminals in every sense.

 

[High-Test]

Usually the death penalty is more expensive to enact than a lifelong prison sentence.

Texas spends about 1.6 million more dollars per executed inmate than an inmate given life in prison. Add up all the people that state alone wants to kill, and the amount of money they blow on such a stone-aged proposition is mind boggling. Sure, the legal appeals [i[are[/i] there to attempt to be failsafes against wrongful conviction, but rarely does so given people's overwhelming prejudices and aversion to admitting fault. (poke, poke.. District Attorney, poke, poke)

I don't see how this nation could ever live up to the asinine argument of "it's cheaper than feeding them the rest of their lives" unless we truly throw away the rights of everyone and immediately execute people, regardless of guilt. But then that would ruin our moral standing in the world and we would be no better than the nations we constantly chastise for their human rights abuses.

Besides, what on earth does the death penalty accomplish? Some attempt at healing bloodlust?

Like Sureboss says, (I may be paraphrasing) we're coming down to their level by turning around and killing them. If that's the case, then this hollow moralistic argument based on fifth century justice is nonsensical in every way.

 

[DK]

It should only be for the worst of the worst, i.e. killers who use Mein Kampf to justify killing a rabbi, terrorists, dictators and serial killers on par with Ted Bundy.

 

[breakpoint]

Don't care at all, my morals are worth more than my money. I also know how much taxes get paid, it doesn't matter. We are above the criminals in every sense.

Meh, got me there cause im not a christian so to society i have no morals, even though my kids get taken care of way better than most children these days and ive been faithful to my wife of 10 years

 

[Sureboss]

I'm glad you felt the need to explain that!

 

[lbsf1]

I thing that Capital punishment its wrong.
Because:
1. The whole of society is based on forgiveness, and the face someone can change.
2. On a program I saw It showed people who were on death row for over 5 years. This must be torture knowing you will die and there is nothing you can do. No wonder people try to either escape or die trying.

 

[lxmmy]

I think if you believe in killing someone then you are probably a violent person yourself. People are not born into the "dark World". Most of us are fortunate to be in a loving Family and have positive role models to lead us.

 

[JKgo]

.... Talk 'bout epic thread bumping. ...what're you doing here anyways, @lxmmy???

Personally, I'm all for capital punishment. An eye for a reasonable amount of eye, so to speak.

I never understood why my income tax is funding a serial rapist/murder's extended vacation in a prison cell, all the while you hear "no money" argument being used to cut health budget, defence budget, education budget, etc.

...Okay, okay, maybe I'm imagining things but still. I'd rather see the taxpayers' contributions used up in more constructive way.

Peace out.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Personally, I'm all for capital punishment. An eye for a reasonable amount of eye, so to speak.

What if the wrong person is murdered by the state?

 

[JKgo]

What if the wrong person is murdered by the state?

An eye for a reasonable amount of eye, so to speak.

....Okaaaay, what I meant was - let the due process take its course. And no, I'm well aware that there ain't no perfect system out there yet.

 

[lxmmy]

.... Talk 'bout epic thread bumping. ...what're you doing here anyways, @lxmmy???

Personally, I'm all for capital punishment. An eye for a reasonable amount of eye, so to speak.

I never understood why my income tax is funding a serial rapist/murder's extended vacation in a prison cell, all the while you hear "no money" argument being used to cut health budget, defence budget, education budget, etc.

...Okay, okay, maybe I'm imagining things but still. I'd rather see the taxpayers' contributions used up in more constructive way.

Peace out.

I am just putting my opinion out.

Not too long ago the topic came up in my general studies class. I voted for Capital punishment at the start and at the end of the lesson my opinion was completely changed.

 

[TenEightyOne]

....Okaaaay, what I meant was - let the due process take its course. And no, I'm well aware that there ain't no perfect system out there yet.

I'm going to press you on this

A man is murdered, a trial is held and a suspect is produced. He is found guilty according to due process. He is shot by Utah.

Years later another man confesses to the killing and with hindsight we see how flawed that due process was. We should execute all those involved in justice's miscarriage, no?

 

[lxmmy]

I'm going to press you on this

A man is murdered, a trial is held and a suspect is produced. He is found guilty according to due process. He is shot by Utah.

Years later another man confesses to the killing and with hindsight we see how flawed that due process was. We should execute all those involved in justice's miscarriage, no?

Mother and Father has to go through the pain of that their son was put to death. Not only the person faced death but the Family has to go through the rest of their life grieving.

 

[JKgo]

I'm going to press you on this

A man is murdered, a trial is held and a suspect is produced. He is found guilty according to due process. He is shot by Utah.

Years later another man confesses to the killing and with hindsight we see how flawed that due process was. We should execute all those involved in justice's miscarriage, no?

.....Press away.

Since this was in Utah....well what's yer waitin' for, sue their sad behinds till heavens open up and hear ye angels sing!!

....Seriously though, yeah, I've seen enough episodes of Medical Detectives to know the system is whack, especially back when forensic science was....ahem, a fancy word salad.

But isn't that what's so cool about scientific progress?

 

[Tornado]

We should execute all those involved in justice's miscarriage, no?

No more than we should lock those who did so up for the 20 years the death row appeals process can be if they caught the mistake in time.