Cappuccino Cup Racing (RM) - SEASON 1 COMPLETE!

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Coming from DS3 to a Fanatec Carrera.

Currently trying to get used to it driving with an automatic transmission. If I am still all over the place for the race I will switch back to the DS3, but already enjoying it more. Tried drifting with the wheel with another car and found it extremely difficult even with the easiest of corners.
 
i am using a DFGT and geting about 1.05:00 ok but thats with basic settings
with feedback on 1 but mite put it to 2 or 3
 
Drifting is hard with a wheel. If you want to drift, the best thing to help is go into the main GT5 settings and turn power steering ON. It makes it MUCH easier to make fast movements with the wheel. Just stick with it, the experience with the wheel on GT5 will totally transform the game for you and you will eventually be much more skilled with it than you ever could be with a DS3. There is a bit of a learning curve, but you will overcome it and forget that it ever felt unnatural.

Also, learning to drive with a manual transmission will help a lot too. But only if you're already familiar with how to drive a manual. If you're not, it might be best to stay automatic for a while. Upshifting is easy, but learning how/when to downshift during a hot lap can be tricky and if you don't get it right it might not be pretty. Either way, welcome to GT5 as it was meant to be! :)


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I will check out the Power Steering option. It would be nice to throw the wheel around with more ease while drifting.

I was also concerned that the wheel would be loud, but having used it last night it was wasn't too noisy at all.

I know how to drive manual, but I have actually only driven RHD manual (well LHD once a long time ago) as I am from Australia, and since moving to Canada we only rent automatic Zipcars. So there is another challenge for me. I actually justified the cost of the wheel to my wife by saying that I was getting it to learn how to drive LHD manual in preparation for our trip to Italy later this year.

She didn't buy it, but I got the wheel anyway :D
 
Basically the power steering option cuts the force feedback to the wheel when you make very quick movements, it's subtle but perfect for drifting.

I've always thought that would be a very hard thing to learn, shifting with the other hand. But GT5 sure would be a great way to learn! Does the Fanatec have paddle shifters too? You could use those for the races and use the clutch/shifter when you're practicing until you get the hang of it.

Classic excuse to the wife too! Just classic!! :cheers:


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Best advice for a new wheel user. Go back through the license test. It will teach how to use that wheel. Don't give up on those silver and golds.

It takes some to get used to. The input you give the wheel is something that takes time to learn. Don't be afraid to clock the wheel 180 or so. You go past this your need to slow down on entry. Basically it should take less then 180 degrees to get the car turned. There are some exceptions cause of tight turns and obviously dirt/snow
 
Also, if you use the cockpit view don't be fooled by the animations of the drivers hands. It looks like he can only turn the wheel about 400-500 degrees max, but you can actually give the car steering input up to 900 degrees. For a long time I thought GT5Prologue understeered like mad because I was only turning the wheel a half rotation at the most. Once I realized I could turn it all the way from lock-to-lock it became a whole new game!

I should explain, most of that was due to years and years of playing on an older wheel that only had 270 degrees of rotation. It just felt so foreign to be able to turn the wheel that far, but once I got used to it I realized how much it improved the "realness" of the game. And remember, these things are built to withstand some serious racing so don't be afraid to really "saw" on the wheel. A lot of people worry about breaking them, but they can handle some pretty heated driving. The Logitech's can anyway, I've never owned a Fanatec but I've heard they're pretty solid too. 👍

And, if you are using cockpit view, try switching to bumper view until you get used to the wheel. It elimantes the shaking camera and the obstruction of the dash so it might make it a little easier to focus on the wheel and what it's doing.
 
Thanks for the advice guys. I use bumper view ... Never liked cockpit view as I can hardly see anything with my fading vision and 32" LCD. I did previously use hood view as it gave me more visibility, but since I started online racing I've switched to bumper.

I will do the license tests again. That is a great idea.. One thing I am struggling most with is probably throttle control, because coming from the DS3, you just don't need it - especially with traction control set on.

I've basically turned all aids off now (except ABS=1) and have also set the degrees of rotation to 900.

The Fanatec has both H-shifter and paddle shifters. When I was hot lapping yesterday (or trying to) I was either in auto, or on the paddles. And only used the h-shifter when I was messing around.

I still need to properly secure the wheel to the stand. Didn't receive any screws with the wheel or stand, but managed to source some at lunch time today. It is a pain trying to find metric screws in North America!
 
Don't be afraid to tap the gas on and off while you learn smoother throttle inputs.

As well learning to cruise and at controlled speed will help. As well using a hard tire on a fast car and trying to keep it straight will help.
 
Yeah...the wheel does have a learning curve (I use DFGT). But after about a month or so you will be loooooving it! =D
 
I thought I must be HORRID when I tested my car and compared to the lap times posted (in the OP). I mean really horrid. Almost 2 seconds slower than the slowest time posted. I expected to be the slowest. But not by so much.

Then I see that my car is 126hp! I have 10 less horses than everyone else!? :(
I just bought this car. I'm assuming everyone has the engine "broken in" and then does overhaul???
How much will I have to drive before I can do an engine overhaul? Should I do it as soon as it allows?
 
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Wanna team up? :D
 
I've been breaking mine in and after lots of driving and just an oil change I'm up to 137hp, so no need for an engine rebuild. I don't think I've ever done an engine rebuild on any car actually.

Since we still don't have an idea when the network will be back I did some more hunting in Aspec and found a great race that happens to be great practice for our first race. In the Japanese Championship (Expert I think?) the first race is 10 laps at Tsukuba, and I think it can be won! I did it twice and got 2nd both times, both less than 2 seconds behind the leader. It's probably the most fun I've ever had in GT5, it really felt like racing! I'd make the pass in the turn and get enough of a better exit speed that I'd hold them off in the straights, really had to fight for 3rd and 2nd place. And I got $23,000 for 2nd. 👍


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Watermelon, no need for an overhaul, just change the oil frequently. I race Nascars online constantly (until recently), they rack up a ton of miles and I saw no need for an overhaul until about 3,000 miles. On my Capp, my HP is at 137, and I change the oil about every other practice session.
 
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Watermelon, no need for an overhaul, just change the oil frequently. I race Nascars online constantly (until recently), they rack up a ton of miles and I saw no need for an overhaul until about 3,000 miles. On my Capp, my HP is at 137, and I change the oil about every other practice session.
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Add: don't anyone be intimidated by the lap times being posted. These are "hot laps", it's not likely that any of us will be producing these times during a race. There are alot more factors to consider during race, passing clean, protecting your preferred line, watching the rear view.... Many of us spend alot of time running hot laps and have become very good at it, but it is no indication of how fast the field will be on race day

Oops, sorry for the double post... stupid iPhone!
 
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I thought I must be HORRID when I tested my car and compared to the lap times posted (in the OP). I mean really horrid. Almost 2 seconds slower than the slowest time posted. I expected to be the slowest. But not by so much.

Then I see that my car is 126hp! I have 10 less horses than everyone else!? :(
I just bought this car. I'm assuming everyone has the engine "broken in" and then does overhaul???
How much will I have to drive before I can do an engine overhaul? Should I do it as soon as it allows?
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It varies, but anywhere from 150 to 300 miles the engine will be fully broken in (you can usually tell because this is the first time it lets you do an overhaul in GT Auto). Do an oil change, add the power upgrades, and you should be getting the same HP as the rest of us :)
 
StigsHero
I've been breaking mine in and after lots of driving and just an oil change I'm up to 137hp, so no need for an engine rebuild. I don't think I've ever done an engine rebuild on any car actually.

Since we still don't have an idea when the network will be back I did some more hunting in Aspec and found a great race that happens to be great practice for our first race. In the Japanese Championship (Expert I think?) the first race is 10 laps at Tsukuba, and I think it can be won! I did it twice and got 2nd both times, both less than 2 seconds behind the leader. It's probably the most fun I've ever had in GT5, it really felt like racing! I'd make the pass in the turn and get enough of a better exit speed that I'd hold them off in the straights, really had to fight for 3rd and 2nd place. And I got $23,000 for 2nd. 👍


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This was a good test.I ran this twice,passed the leading R32 Skyline on lap 8 in the first race and then reset the field and passed a last gen RX-7 on lap 7 to win that race.

Old school OLR here.

Total time 10'36.358
Best lap 1:02.845

I am interested in running the series but i'm waiting to see what the car is like with this tire combo online.
 
Just did about 20 laps offline on Tsukuba earlier tonight with the Coffee Car tune that was linked earlier in this thread. My best lap was 1'00.852 on Racing Softs. Guess I'll do a oil change before the start of the season to get this Capp back up to full power. ;)
 
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Just did about 20 laps offline on Tsukuba earlier tonight with the Coffee Car tune that was linked earlier in this thread. My best lap was 1'00.852 on Racing Softs. Guess I'll do a oil change before the start of the season to get this Capp back up to full power. ;)
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You might wanna throw some sports softs on there as well :)
 
watermelonpunch
I thought I must be HORRID when I tested my car and compared to the lap times posted (in the OP). I mean really horrid. Almost 2 seconds slower than the slowest time posted. I expected to be the slowest. But not by so much.

Then I see that my car is 126hp! I have 10 less horses than everyone else!? :(
I just bought this car. I'm assuming everyone has the engine "broken in" and then does overhaul???
How much will I have to drive before I can do an engine overhaul? Should I do it as soon as it allows?
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Do the oil changes as everyone suggests but I suspect you haven't done all the upgrades because if memory serves mine came out of the box with all the upgrades at 133hp and is now at 137 after break in and oil changes. I could be wrong because it was a couple of months ago but I don't think so. Do an oil change if you haven't already, then check your upgrades and make sure you've got them all.
 
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(changed my # cause someone else has 33 & I want to be different. ;) )

My trial lap time is
1:04:6

Johnnypenso
Do the oil changes as everyone suggests but I suspect you haven't done all the upgrades because if memory serves mine came out of the box with all the upgrades at 133hp and is now at 137 after break in and oil changes. I could be wrong because it was a couple of months ago but I don't think so. Do an oil change if you haven't already, then check your upgrades and make sure you've got them all.
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You were spot on! I went through my tuning parts. For some reason, one of the mods was there, but not check-marked. Somehow I bought it & it wasn't activated. That and then an oil change got me up to 135hp, and now it's up to 136hp... I'm assuming if I keep driving it, & then another oil change & it'll be up to 137hp?

My time immediately improved. haha. Imagine that.

Mudd
Add: don't anyone be intimidated by the lap times being posted. These are "hot laps", it's not likely that any of us will be producing these times during a race. There are alot more factors to consider during race
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Oh yes, I understand this... There's different things involved. Obviously you have to drive a little differently with others on the track, than if you're just doing a lap time trial.
Though generally, my experience has been that I actually set better lap times when I get into the online race, than when I chase my own ghost around in practice. Most people say the opposite. I assume it's because I'm not terribly experienced in racing games, and having other people on the track, they act like better pace cars than my own ghost or something. More incentive?. LOL I don't know.

But I have to mention my confusion with the tuning. I got a few different tune sets to try from this thread and somewhere else. Not sure which ones were which.
First I tried my own, and I just felt I was missing something. And I just didn't have the patience... So I used one of the recommended ones. And LSD settings on this tune was sort of odd, I thought. It felt like I'd accidentally had traction control aid pumped up to 10. (I actually checked, it wasn't! ;) ) The acceleration sensitivity was pumped up to 45 or something outrageous in the 40s. Like the LSD settings were like I'd set them for my Laviolette. LOL. And I thought geez with this set-up, I might as well get to the first hairpin and just pull over & park already. haha.

So then I looked at another tune set-up and tried that one. Well I did much better, after STILL having to tinker because this one recommended full downforce, and anti-roll bars at measly 1. Is anyone using full downforce? And if so, can you tell me what tune you're using? Because that just wasn't working for me. And what about the anti-roll bars, does anyone have them set at 1? And if so, why?

Anyway I got it to the point where I could get consistent laps at an average round 1:06.
And my boyfriend came home & was watching me, and I mentioned feeling that the tuning was still just off. I think he said what was off was the person at the controls. :grumpy: Then he said I needed a bumper sticker that reads "I'm not angry, this is the way I drive". LOL:ouch:
And here I thought I was doing pretty well!

So he asked if he could try a few laps. I imagine he thought he was going to show me how it's done. LOL (To be fair, that's usually exactly what happens. haha But not this time.)
Well he couldn't even keep the car on the track. The best lap he did was 1:07. And all the while complaining - how can a car with such low hp be turned into such a ridiculous machine. He compared its handling to my unmodified antique muscle cars at one point. Saying it's unreasonable that a kei car should lurch & wallow. haha. And then apologized for the comments about my driving, saying "I really thought you were just driving like a nut, but you were obviously doing very well in this set-up." haha

So anyway, later on, I found him playing with my car, he'd scrapped the tuning it had, and started over himself.
And I have to say, his tuning was definitely better. But then I still had to lower the junk in LSD.
Because I find myself oversteer throttling my way out of understeer & grinding around the corners, in order to set a better time. Is this what everyone is doing? Or is something wrong with my tuning? Is there some other way to dial out the understeer? My bf thought I was just braking too late - which I usually do (golded all the late braking license tests 1st try LOL)... But when I tried braking earlier, then I couldn't set a 1:04 lap time, that's for sure.

Tips? Anyone?

Oh, & btw, I did a 25 lap stretch & was fine. And I tend to wear out tires quicker than most people, so I doubt anyone would need to pit if I didn't with all the grind-drifting around a lot of the turns that I was doing. haha
Soft tires always seem to hit a last plateau (unlike medium which go, and then get worse lol, or hard which go sometimes before they even get good).
 
watermelonpunch
#So then I looked at another tune set-up and tried that one. Well I did much better, after STILL having to tinker because this one recommended full downforce, and anti-roll bars at measly 1. Is anyone using full downforce? And if so, can you tell me what tune you're using? Because that just wasn't working for me. And what about the anti-roll bars, does anyone have them set at 1? And if so, why?
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Setting the ARB's at 1 defeats their purpose altogether which is to modulate the car from pitching side to side during cornering. No offense to anyone, but I find that setting the ARB's to one means that a tuner can't get the suspension set up properly so they resort to extreme measures to compensate for a suspension that isn't working like they want it to, like setting the ARB's to 1. Having said that, I'm no expert...lol....and maybe I'm missing something altogether in the roll bar setup..lol. I've tried it on a couple of tunes but always find suspensions work better with higher ARB values.

The tune I'm using is my own which I posted a couple of pages back and which allowed me with my DFGT to go 102.35. Sounds like the LSD settings might be more in line with what you are used to. Give it a shot, it might work for you. And again, I don't think it'll work well online, as I find a lot of offline tunes don't work online because of the reduced grip, so I'll be reworking it when, if ever, PSN comes back online.
 
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Watermelon, just remember that the Capp becomes a totally different car with the online physics so don't knock yourself out too much trying to get a good tune offline. Same with tire wear, from what I hear this car is pretty squirrelly online so I imagine the rate of tire wear will be higher. I've done virtually no tuning to my Capp so far, I'm just driving it a lot and getting a feel for the "natural" characteristics of the car.

As for the online tunes, everybody has a different driving style so you just kinda have to hunt around until you find one that's close to your driving style and "tweak" it from there.

Newest PSN rumor: Wikipedia lists the release date for the newest Playstation software update (requiring password change) as May 6th (today), so there's a slim chance we will be back online soon. Also, in the main "PSN Outage" thread somebody linked to a graph showing that after 2 weeks of no activity, part of the PSN network was "pinged" today and it responded properly. I know Wikipedia isn't the most reliable source, so take it with a grain of salt, but I'm just trying to share what I've learned. Hopefully soon! 👍


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