Car Safety

[Famine]

We have a rule in the motorsports forum that you shouldn't state a desire to see any driver crash. You didn't state a desire, but you are awful close to the line.

 

[killer450235]

China Duh!

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

How is it out of context and everyone else's fault for not reading when people react to what you've actually typed? We aren't psychic. We can only respond to what you've actually said. What you actually said was "I sure as hell know it's not going to be my fault when it does happen."

So, it won't be a result of something I willingly did (i.e. trying to take racing line around a corner) because I don't drive recklessly on the road like that. As I'm about to show to Scaff, I had already agreed earlier in the thread that we all make mistakes. That's why I reacted the way I did, I thought you were all trying to imply I did dangerous things on the road and eventually it would cost me.

Sorry but we did not take you out of context at all, you said (and I quote directly)...




...you say here quite clearly that you know accidents will happen and passingly acknowledge that the odds mean you will get one during your lifetime. You then quite clearly and categorically state that...



...so no I don't think that anyone has taken what you have said out of context at all.

Now if that is not what you were trying to say that is a different matter, we have not taken it out of context, you have miss-spoken.

What you said is both clear and unambiguous, any accident you are involved in will not be your fault. Backtracking here will do nothing more than make you look foolish, would it not be better to actually acknowledge that is not what you either were trying to say or meant to say?


Scaff

Both of these posts (directly after the other) were posted earlier in the thread, I figured we already had the attitude that all humans make mistakes and that could cause an accident. So when I said that I meant it wouldn't be a result of willingly negligent driving. That's why I reacted the way I did, I thought you were all trying to imply I did dangerous things on the road and eventually it would cost me.

Right, but we are all still human. Even the most careful driver in the world can't possibly process everything going on around them at the same time. I agree you should always be aware of your surroundings while driving. You'll decrease the chance of being hit or hitting someone else, but nothing is 100% spot on.

Being human sucks.

 

[Scaff]

As I'm about to show to Scaff, I had already agreed earlier in the thread that we all make mistakes.

OK

Being human sucks.

....sorry that's it? That is what we missed that put all of this into context.

Nope don't buy that one at all. Are you honestly saying that we were all expected to remember that single throw-away line and relate it to you boast that you would never be the cause of an accident?

Honestly would it not just be easier to actually admit that what you said was done in haste and withdraw your comment.

That's why I reacted the way I did, I thought you were all trying to imply I did dangerous things on the road and eventually it would cost me.

You may have thought that, however no one at all implied in any way that you did dangerous things on the road. What we all (very consistently) said was that no one is infallible and that no one can, with any remote degree of seriousness, claim they will never be the cause of an accident.

It was the statement itself that we quite rightly had issue with, at no point did anyone attack your driving.

You made a naive and some would say, foolish, comment. It is more than possible to gain back quite a bit of respect from a lot of people here. Simply acknowledge that and stop digging a big hole you are going to have trouble getting out of.


Scaff

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

OK



....sorry that's it? That is what we missed that put all of this into context.

Nope don't buy that one at all. Are you honestly saying that we were all expected to remember that single throw-away line and relate it to you boast that you would never be the cause of an accident?

Honestly would it not just be easier to actually admit that what you said was done in haste and withdraw your comment.



You may have thought that, however no one at all implied in any way that you did dangerous things on the road. What we all (very consistently) said was that no one is infallible and that no one can, with any remote degree of seriousness, claim they will never be the cause of an accident.

It was the statement itself that we quite rightly had issue with, at no point did anyone attack your driving.

You made a naive and some would say, foolish, comment. It is more than possible to gain back quite a bit of respect from a lot of people here. Simply acknowledge that and stop digging a big hole you are going to have trouble getting out of.


Scaff

A single throw-away comment that showed I agree all humans make mistakes. If my single throw-away comment was "yep, all mods are losers" (just an example, settle down), you would have taken it very seriously. Why shouldn't you treat every post with the same weight? Or maybe it's you who can't admit that you wrongfully accused me. Maybe some of my resect for the mods would grow if they ever admitted their mistakes.

 

[Scaff]

A single throw-away comment that showed I agree all humans make mistakes. If my single throw-away comment was "yep, all mods are losers" (just an example, settle down), you would have taken it very seriously. Why shouldn't you treat every post with the same weight? Or maybe it's you who can't admit that you wrongfully accused me. Maybe some of my resect for the mods would grow if they ever admitted their mistakes.

You didn't even quote Joey for goodness sake, simply posted after him. The comment doesn't show agreement with his point that people make mistakes, it simply states that 'being human sucks'.

As for treating every post with the same weight, do you have any idea how many threads and posts the staff her trawl through every single day!!!!!! Your comment was throw-away and didn't step outside the AUP, yet I am expected to instantly recall and link it as context to a post you later made?

That aside I don't even accept that it adds context to your post about never being the cause of an accident. A post which did not require context, it wasn't exactly ambiguous was it.

I will however strongly suggest that you take a look at my past posting record, when I make a mistake (which is not often as I don't post in haste and I do credit and link to my sources) I acknowledge it, without prompting, in public.

Scaff

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

You didn't even quote Joey for goodness sake, simply posted after him. The comment doesn't show agreement with his point that people make mistakes, it simply states that 'being human sucks'.

As for treating every post with the same weight, do you have any idea how many threads and posts the staff her trawl through every single day!!!!!! Your comment was throw-away and didn't step outside the AUP, yet I am expected to instantly recall and link it as context to a post you later made?

That aside I don't even accept that it adds context to your post about never being the cause of an accident. A post which did not require context, it wasn't exactly ambiguous was it.

I will however strongly suggest that you take a look at my past posting record, when I make a mistake (which is not often as I don't post in haste and I do credit and link to my sources) I acknowledge it, without prompting, in public.

Scaff

If you're going to start "questioning" someone's opinion you should damn well take the time to check the thread (unless it's some massively huge one) and make sure there isn't it "more to it". How many times have I seen people get in trouble for posting something without reading the whole thread and then you go and do the same thing. I figured you'd guys would remember it as you like to make out you're so smart, maybe I should put it in really simple and obvious text from now on.

 

[slidesquad#1]

A single throw-away comment that showed I agree all humans make mistakes. If my single throw-away comment was "yep, all mods are losers" (just an example, settle down), you would have taken it very seriously. Why shouldn't you treat every post with the same weight? Or maybe it's you who can't admit that you wrongfully accused me. Maybe some of my resect for the mods would grow if they ever admitted their mistakes.

Dude, how does the fact that they're mods have any influence on this at all? I read what you posted, and I think your attitude was off the mark too.
I've been there, and, as I posted before, I've had that "nothings gonna happen to me" feeling concussed right out of me.

No one here is insulting you. Or your driving. We're just trying to point out that there's a LOT of things that can happen on the road that you (and drivers in general) cannot anticipate and/or deal with accordingly.

 

[Scaff]

If you're going to start "questioning" someone's opinion you should damn well take the time to check the thread (unless it's some massively huge one) and make sure there isn't it "more to it". How many times have I seen people get in trouble for posting something without reading the whole thread and then you go and do the same thing. I figured you'd guys would remember it as you like to make out you're so smart, maybe I should put it in really simple and obvious text from now on.

Right this is the last time I am going to put this to you.

This...

I know accidents are bound to happen, they say every Aussie has an average of 5 in their lifetime. But I sure as hell know it's not going to be my fault when it does happen, and if I die then so be it.

...does not require any form of context, its a self contained statement of fact. That you will never be at fault if you are involved in an accident.

This

being human sucks

...does not add context to the above, nor does it even clearly show you agree with Joey's comment.


Should you post more clearly in future, providing links to the posts you are referring too and ensuring that you post in an unambiguous manner?

YES - without a shadow of doubt you should.

What this boils down to is a statement you made, which in isolation (it requires no context) you will now either support or no.

Do you still hold this to be true...

But I sure as hell know it's not going to be my fault when it does happen, and if I die then so be it.

...and I'm only looking for a Yes or No answer here.


Scaff

 

[Tornado]

Didn't most of the Mercedes range have a problem with the brakes failing a couple of years ago?

 

[Joey D]

Didn't most of the Mercedes range have a problem with the brakes failing a couple of years ago?

Pretty much the whole line of Mercedes.

http://www.ohiolemonlaw.com/safety-recall-7.shtml

 

[Hun200kmh]

@holden:

- I have a car drivers license since I was 18;
- I have a motorbike drivers license since I was 20;
- I'm 43 now, close to 44 years old
- I have made many hundreds of thousands of kms driving cars, and maybe two hundred thousand kms driving bikes.

So far, I had two big accidents. One in a car (1995), one in a bike (1989). None of them was my fault, none of them was avoidable, no matter how skilled real life driver I was/am (I'm not going into detail about both accidents, hope you believe me).

So, and even if, as a bike user, there's litle or nothing I can do apart from always being a defensive driver, with my radar always on for everyone else on the road and even off of it, I must state that each and every safety device the car industry could come up with since a few decades ago ... saves lifes, everyday. Probably, they saved more than one life in this world since I started writing this.

So, you (or anyone else) being a safe and skilled driver isn't important. Accidents happen all the time. Of course it's less likely that they happen to good experienced drivers than to bad/unexperienced ones. But they DO happen. And it's better for the unfortunate ones that suffer them to be in cars that we're designed and built to be safe ... in normal driving and especially if involved in a accident.

 

[Duke]

If you're going to start "questioning" someone's opinion you should damn well take the time to check the thread (unless it's some massively huge one) and make sure there isn't it "more to it". How many times have I seen people get in trouble for posting something without reading the whole thread and then you go and do the same thing. I figured you'd guys would remember it as you like to make out you're so smart, maybe I should put it in really simple and obvious text from now on.

I've read this whole thread. So have Scaff, Famine, and hundreds of other users. You're trying to backpedal here on a truly monumental scale, and it is simply not working out for you.

You claim to be perpetually misunderstood - I've heard it from you on numerous occasions. Yet nearly everyone here agrees with each other about what you say. It is only you who seems to disagree, and often only after you've been called out on it (witness the whole cow-on-a-curve example you gave).

You are being arrogant and argumentative. Frankly, at this point you are contributing very little if anything to this forum. You're pot-shotting at the staff to the point that even other users are asking you why it is relevant. Frankly, I don't care whether you respect me or not. It's my job to keep the peace here, and you're disturbing it for very little valid reason.

Cease, now. If you can't discuss your opinions without getting offended when people disagree, then you need to keep your opinions entirely to yourself. People tend to disagree with statements like "I guarantee an accident will never be my fault" and "airbags are unnecessary because I never intend to get into an accident".

Now, just to be crystal clear: DROP IT.

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[Moglet]

Right, so we're all clear on this then?

The Italians win;

 

[Danoff]

^ Good lord. Faceplant on the steering wheel = FAIL

All I can say is, at least he's still IN the car. But I don't see why China got only 4 votes:

 

[buickgnx88]

It just keeps going!

 

[killer450235]

Poor driver and passenger!

 

[gator of kana]

I don't know what car this was but it was the worst car crash I've ever seen in my life

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

That's an old Holden Commodore. One of the comments says it was done at 80mph to test the machine.

But this is also a pretty good claim

This test was done at 6 mph.

 

[Jay]

I don't know what car this was but it was the worst car crash I've ever seen in my life

That's an old Holden Commodore. One of the comments says it was done at 80mph to test the machine.

But this is also a pretty good claim

Yep good ol Holden Commodore, that car right there was my first ever car. As you can see I am still here so obviously I never crashed it.

 

[V1P3R]

Didn't just driving it down the road warp the frame?

 

[Jay]

Didn't just driving it down the road warp the frame?

No, the suprising thing is when Holden was to build and release the Commodore (from 1978) for the Australian market they found out during testing of the German Commodore it is based off of that the whole car on our roads was too flexible and needed major stiffening for our conditions which added extra cost. I don't know if the car in that video was a Opel or Holden, I would imagine a Opel.

 

[homeforsummer]

Right, so we're all clear on this then?

The Italians win;

Aww, and it was so cute too!

All I can say is, at least he's still IN the car. But I don't see why China got only 4 votes:

*truck vid*

That's horrific. At only 40mph too.

That's an old Holden Commodore. One of the comments says it was done at 80mph to test the machine.

Result: It failed.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Another reason for more China votes, come on I mean this is safe right?

 

[TheCracker]

Yep good ol Holden Commodore, that car right there was my first ever car. As you can see I am still here so obviously I never crashed it.

Although to be fair to the Aussies, it's actually only a re-badged German Opel Commodore.

*edit* Oopps, tree'd

No, the suprising thing is when Holden was to build and release the Commodore (from 1978) for the Australian market they found out during testing of the German Commodore it is based off of that the whole car on our roads was too flexible and needed major stiffening for our conditions which added extra cost. I don't know if the car in that video was a Opel or Holden, I would imagine a Opel.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Although to be fair to the Aussies, it's actually only a re-badged German Opel Commodore.

*edit* Oopps, tree'd

Also, as VIPER explained the Commodore was actually quite different to the Opel, so which one was it? The Commodore not only needed to be stiffer for Aussie conditions, but also needed to accommodate bigger engines.

 

[TheCracker]

Also, as VIPER explained the Commodore was actually quite different to the Opel, so which one was it? The Commodore not only needed to be stiffer for Aussie conditions, but also needed to accommodate bigger engines.

Well it's RHD which makes it either a Vauxhall or a Holden. 'Crashlab' is a Sydney based company so i guess that makes it a Holden.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Well it's RHD which makes it either a Vauxhall or a Holden. 'Crashlab' is a Sydney based company so i guess that makes it a Holden.

👍

 

[TheCracker]

Talking about Crashlab, here's an interesting video they've done showing the differences between a 100kph and 60kph crash in the same car:

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Talking about Crashlab, here's an interesting video they've done showing the differences between a 100kph and 60kph crash in the same car:

That's another Commodore too.~2000 model.