Cars that disappoint you

[MrUnknown]

That makes no sense at all.

Blame the driver. Not the car.

 

[watchclockgit]

Blame the driver. Not the car.

So cars are infallible? And this supports modifying a car how? Also, I never said I couldn't drive the cars, I said I thought they were incoherently designed.

 

[Roycehellion]

I don't tune

Then why whine? If you dont like the car, dont tune it, and then still complain that it disappoints you....?!?!?


Tuning is half the game! My Huayra took 3 hours to perfect the transmission in for top speed. It will Hold 306mph with fresh oil and when drafting can achieve 340mph. Bc i took the time and tuned it, like any racer would do with a even a civic. I get ide of buying an Adventador and racing other similar cars to see how it would race in real life w/ no mods. but thats not the point of this game. The point is to buy and RX7, race the lowest class races you can get in, and keep throwing money and tuning at it till it competes with the level just below Le Mans cars enter... to grow you skills and tuning ability with the cars and race series you are apart of.......?!

 

[Roycehellion]

It seems like this thread is just a place for bad drivers to complain about cars that wont change their physics or structure to suit the driver (like any car will)

Maybe changed the title of this thread to "I'm really just need to play Need for Speed, but will whine instead"

Yeah, that seems more appropriate.

 

[MrUnknown]

So cars are infallible? And this supports modifying a car how? Also, I never said I couldn't drive the cars, I said I thought they were incoherently designed.

Apologies to make you overreact but it seems like you are not on the same rails as I.

You went off.

 

[watchclockgit]

Apologies to make you overreact but it seems like you are not on the same rails as I.

You went off.

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Then why whine? If you dont like the car, dont tune it, and then still complain that it disappoints you....?!?!?


Tuning is half the game! My Huayra took 3 hours to perfect the transmission in for top speed. It will Hold 306mph with fresh oil and when drafting can achieve 340mph. Bc i took the time and tuned it, like any racer would do with a even a civic. I get ide of buying an Adventador and racing other similar cars to see how it would race in real life w/ no mods. but thats not the point of this game. The point is to buy and RX7, race the lowest class races you can get in, and keep throwing money and tuning at it till it competes with the level just below Le Mans cars enter... to grow you skills and tuning ability with the cars and race series you are apart of.......?!

Ironically I don't tune because I'm interested in being a good driver. I drive all the cars in the game, some are far less interesting to drive than others, because some are functionally designed and some are Veblen products.

 

[MrUnknown]

 

[watchclockgit]

Infant

 

[MrUnknown]

Infant

Irony.

 

[Roycehellion]

Yeah, seems like an excuse. F1 car and Le Mans cars are continuously re-tuned. Eventually you skill should over take the cars abilities and you will either need to tune or upgrade. Thats like saying you are true bike riders bc you never left your training wheels. Well, i took mine off and can turn much better, even lean; Then i changed my shifting spots and even adjusted my shocks and now im the fastest in the neighborhood. But you are a better rider bc you dont race modified cars......still sounds like an excuse for losing.

 

[stuff1138]

wow this thread got out of hand fast lol

 

[Roycehellion]

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Ironically I don't tune because I'm interested in being a good driver. I drive all the cars in the game, some are far less interesting to drive than others, because some are functionally designed and some are Veblen products.

I think this is hilarious. i had to re-post this. There is no racing w/o tuning. it undermines the whole idea. If race tuning were half the point, we would all drive one of 3 basic car models from the 1940's. Instead i like my sport tuned mitsubishi instead of your pinto.

 

[watchclockgit]

Yeah, seems like an excuse. F1 car and Le Mans cars are continuously re-tuned. Eventually you skill should over take the cars abilities and you will either need to tune or upgrade. Thats like saying you are true bike riders bc you never left your training wheels. Well, i took mine off and can turn much better, even lean; Then i changed my shifting spots and even adjusted my shocks and now im the fastest in the neighborhood. But you are a better rider bc you dont race modified cars......still sounds like an excuse for losing.

Who said I lose?

I think this is hilarious. i had to re-post this. There is no racing w/o tuning. it undermines the whole idea. If race tuning were half the point, we would all drive one of 3 basic car models from the 1940's. Instead i like my sport tuned mitsubishi instead of your pinto.

I couldn't comprehend most this.

 

[stuff1138]

I couldn't comprehend most this.

Yeah...that's a head scratcher for sure

 

[Brandon402]

That's like going to the Chevy dealer and buying a brand new stock C7 Corvette and taking it to Willow Springs for a track day. Then when the guy in the E36 M3 which is totally gutted, equipped with racing suspension and slick tires laps you every 2 laps, you pull into the pits and start crying because your brand new street tuned Corvette is junk. Really?? come on.

The Lambos are beastly things in GT for a reason. That's just how they are. They look amazing, they sound amazing, they have sick amounts of horsepower but they don't have giant wings on them or weigh 600kg like an F1 car so they don't handle like one.

I figured out how to make a great 2014 C7 Corvette, go to custom parts and a put a wing on the back. It makes a big difference in how the car handles. Then fully reduce the body weight and add power parts until you get it to 650PP. This is a GREAT car for the 650PP races where you cannot use a race car. Even though it's still a "normal car", having a wing on the back really helps. It will win Willow Springs and also the Rainmaster races. For races where you can use a race car I use the Mazda 787B, I bought the Stealth model after using the regular orange and green one so much! :-)

Oh wait, this is the cars that disappoint you thread. Well I did buy a Ferrari Enzo today and handles like crap, I'll have to keep working with it.

 

[spencer7x7]

Well you can't call it a bad car if you're being knowingly incompetent when driving it. It's a bit like saying a race car is stupidly off pace when you've got comfort hards on it. Or, saying a car handles terribly because you keep jabbing the handbrake mid corner.

I've driven lot of cars ingame and only the DeltaWing feels not right for me, maybe it's the shape or anything, but it does not fit my driving style at ALL.

 

[Bo]

It's because it has all the weight over the back. In real life, when the drivers first tested it, they had to learn the correct way of driving it - brake in a straight line, coast into the corner, then you can accelerate straight out from the apex like no other LMP.

 

[alex1369]

Cars that dissapoint me are 200 same skylines and 100 miatas

 

[TexRex]

wow this thread got out of hand fast lol

Hit the nail right on the nose with that one. What people seem to be unable to do is accept the thread title. (I'm guilty of it too; muscle cars have short gearboxes despite being long on power and, however logical the reasoning, can be disappointing.) It's nice if someone gives reason for their disappointment but whatever reasoning, given or not, they shouldn't be berated for it.

 

[Brandon402]

Cars that dissapoint me are 200 same skylines and 100 miatas

Yeah there are several cars in the game where it's like "why are these even on here?" The Eagle Talon is a perfect example, it's like a 300PP car and the only one from that manufacturer. It's like they are padding the car and manufacturer list. There are also no truck races in GT6, but we still have the Ford Lightning and Toyota Tacoma.

The online events they have are pretty cool though. Maybe they can give us some races we want online, some endurance races would be awesome.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

I am most disappointed by the 1991 Mercedes 190 Evolution II. This was an awesome car in GT5 at 425pp and 450pp. The thing was fast and on rails when well tuned.

I just can't, for the life of me, get this car above mediocre in GT6.

Conversely, the old BMW 2002, I could never tame in GT5, I had no trouble tuning it in GT6.

 

[TexRex]

I am most disappointed by the 1991 Mercedes 190 Evolution II. This was an awesome car in GT5 at 425pp and 450pp. The thing was fast and needed to be pushed harder when well tuned.

I just can't, for the life of me, get this car above mediocre in GT6.

Conversely, the old BMW 2002, I could never tame in GT5, I had no trouble tuning it in GT6.

Fixed.

 

[Roycehellion]

Who said I lose?



I couldn't comprehend most this.

Tuning cars in racing leads to advances in modern production cars. If no one tuned in real life we would all still have model T's. Sigh, i thought id found a serious site with real gamers. Its just whiny kids who want to brag about how they dont need to tune. And yes sir. you lose. or you stop at races that cap at 650pp. you dont ace le mans without tuning your car to the track. i guarantee.

 

[Roycehellion]

Yeah there are several cars in the game where it's like "why are these even on here?" The Eagle Talon is a perfect example, it's like a 300PP car and the only one from that manufacturer. It's like they are padding the car and manufacturer list. There are also no truck races in GT6, but we still have the Ford Lightning and Toyota Tacoma.

The online events they have are pretty cool though. Maybe they can give us some races we want online, some endurance races would be awesome.

Yes! on both, yes! Why are there those random cars?! They arent exactly history shatterinc, ground breaking cars from history.

And some good 25+ lap races would be awesome! The super series was such a let down in GT6.

 

[stuff1138]

The Eagle Talon was built as a joint 50/50 effort between Chrysler and Mitsubishi. The effort also brought us the Eclipse and the Plymouth Laser. At the time they were some of the fastest 4cy cars with speeds in excess of 140 mph. The Talon was also the only one of the bunch to be sold with AWD. Not ground breaking but it was a semi-significant car of its era.

 

[watchclockgit]

Tuning cars in racing leads to advances in modern production cars. If no one tuned in real life we would all still have model T's. Sigh, i thought id found a serious site with real gamers. Its just whiny kids who want to brag about how they dont need to tune. And yes sir. you lose. or you stop at races that cap at 650pp. you dont ace le mans without tuning your car to the track. i guarantee.

The first part about racing innovation being essential for road-car development is true insofar as road cars are massively over-designed in areas of speed and power, but totally untrue in terms of fuel efficiency, safety, and comfort which are the areas that while not very sexy, are those which are actually important for every day driving. Racing's real relationship to production cars is as competitive advertisement for DIFFERENT manufacturers. The claims to pioneering innovation serves this purpose well. I say this despite my love of motor-racing.

In fact most innovations in car manufacture have come from other industries such as aviation and other, far more challenging forms of engine design such as truck and military vehicle manufacture. The ones that appeared in racing first, such as disc brakes for example, were solutions to higher speeds that would have just as easily been discovered when road cars achieved higher speeds themselves.

As for the second point about MY presumed deficiencies as a driver - based on my reluctance to tune - these sorts of assumptions simply tell people more about the one doing the assuming (YOU) than anyone else. There are no races in career mode that require any tuning, in fact most can be won on lower than the maximum PP, and with worse than the best option tires, as many on this forum (except apparently you) can attest.

Your assumptions about my age and imagined 'whining' speak for themselves insofar as they also indicate a certain juvenescence on your part.

 

[Roycehellion]

The first part about racing innovation being essential for road-car development is true insofar as road cars are massively over-designed in areas of speed and power, but totally untrue in terms of fuel efficiency, safety, and comfort which are the areas that while not very sexy, are those which are actually important for every day driving. Racing's real relationship to production cars is as competitive advertisement for DIFFERENT manufacturers. The claims to pioneering innovation serves this purpose well. I say this despite my love of motor-racing.

In fact most innovations in car manufacture have come from other industries such as aviation and other, far more challenging forms of engine design such as truck and military vehicle manufacture. The ones that appeared in racing first, such as disc brakes for example, were solutions to higher speeds that would have just as easily been discovered when road cars achieved higher speeds themselves.

As for the second point about MY presumed deficiencies as a driver - based on my reluctance to tune - these sorts of assumptions simply tell people more about the one doing the assuming (YOU) than anyone else. There are no races in career mode that require any tuning, in fact most can be won on lower than the maximum PP, and with worse than the best option tires, as many on this forum (except apparently you) can attest.

Your assumptions about my age and imagined 'whining' speak for themselves insofar as they also indicate a certain juvenescence on your part.

Wow, somebody sure wanted to prove they could use a thesaurus better than any real form of reference material. I would love to see where these so called innovations that impacted the auto industry more than racing innovations.... And how many of them involved not trying to increase performance/efficiency of an internal combustion engine? (hint thats called tuning) And......you long winded point has once again been defeated. I love that i heard no response on the Le Mans races.....i bet you cant truthfully say you dont tune your car for those....? lol. still childish son.

 

[Roycehellion]

The Eagle Talon was built as a joint 50/50 effort between Chrysler and Mitsubishi. The effort also brought us the Eclipse and the Plymouth Laser. At the time they were some of the fastest 4cy cars with speeds in excess of 140 mph. The Talon was also the only one of the bunch to be sold with AWD. Not ground breaking but it was a semi-significant car of its era.

Cool history, i cant ever say i have been interested enough to find that out. I see why its here. Thanks!

 

[watchclockgit]

Wow, somebody sure wanted to prove they could use a thesaurus better than any real form of reference material. I would love to see where these so called innovations that impacted the auto industry more than racing innovations.... And how many of them involved not trying to increase performance/efficiency of an internal combustion engine? (hint thats called tuning) And......you long winded point has once again been defeated. I love that i heard no response on the Le Mans races.....i bet you cant truthfully say you dont tune your car for those....? lol. still childish son.

I don't tune for any races, I don't use a thesaurus - these are things you are telling me about you, not the other way round.

As for the internal combustion engine, the most important advance in efficiency has been the development of pressure ignition instead of spark ignition (Diesel) - this was developed long before it appeared in a race car, although some race cars have employed it.

The fact that some innovations have transferred to road cars from Motorsport does not mean that that transfer was necessary or beneficial to road-cars. There's a reason it happens, so that one car company can take advantage of the irrational components of human psychology to sell more pointless 'advances' than another car company to their customers.

The dynamics of this disagreement are very telling. The situation is, you like tuning your cars in the game. Moreover, you have implied that you find the game too difficult without tuning. Notice that I didn't criticise tuning once, but rather refuted your argument that it was essential for progressing in the game. Also remember that my initial input on this thread was to criticise STOCK supercars, not tuned supercars - this was glibly responded to by someone who made the irrelevant and self-defeating point that I should tune the cars, as if this somehow would imply that the same stock cars were not bad at all. In the past I did tune cars in previous Gran Turismo games, but now I prefer to challenge myself by not doing so, and trying to drive the cars as they are initially set-up. This can be difficult, for example with the Audi R8 race cars there is a great temptation to adjust the slip differential to stabilise hard braking and reduce oversteer - but it has made me a better driver to not do this, and learn to mange driving inputs.

This is all very obvious and therefore slightly embarrassing to have to explain frankly.

 

[Roycehellion]

I don't tune for any races, I don't use a thesaurus - these are things you are telling me about you, not the other way round.

As for the internal combustion engine, the most important advance in efficiency has been the development of pressure ignition instead of spark ignition (Diesel) - this was developed long before it appeared in a race car, although some race cars have employed it.

The fact that some innovations have transferred to road cars from Motorsport does not mean that that transfer was necessary or beneficial to road-cars. There's a reason it happens, so that one car company can take advantage of the irrational components of human psychology to sell more pointless 'advances' than another car company to their customers.

The dynamics of this disagreement are very telling. The situation is, you like tuning your cars in the game. Moreover, you have implied that you find the game too difficult without tuning. Notice that I didn't criticise tuning once, but rather refuted your argument that it was essential for progressing in the game. Also remember that my initial input on this thread was to criticise STOCK supercars, not tuned supercars - this was glibly responded to by someone who made the irrelevant and self-defeating point that I should tune the cars, as if this somehow would imply that the same stock cars were not bad at all. In the past I did tune cars in previous Gran Turismo games, but now I prefer to challenge myself by not doing so, and trying to drive the cars as they are initially set-up. This can be difficult, for example with the Audi R8 race cars there is a great temptation to adjust the slip differential to stabilise hard braking and reduce oversteer - but it has made me a better driver to not do this, and learn to mange driving inputs.

This is all very obvious and therefore slightly embarrassing to have to explain frankly.

I agree you should be embarrassed. And what an odd thing to choose as an advancement in the private automotive industry. Additionally you have missed the point entirely; finally there is no reason to debate with you anymore as you comprehension of this subject is clearly minimal at best. Silly kids....