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No, it doesn't really bother me.
You're acting as if it's something new.
Well, Honestly, I didn't know you were a fiscal liberal, so, there.
I lean more conservatively fiscal, so, honestly, I don't care for it.
No, it doesn't really bother me.
You're acting as if it's something new.
Well, it's not really that I support one view or the other, I just don't care. I view things for the way they are, it is what it is.Well, Honestly, I didn't know you were a fiscal liberal, so, there.
I lean more conservatively fiscal, so, honestly, I don't care for it.
Sure give them a free car,then who pays for tax,insurance,fuel and the cost of a part when it does break and the cost of labour to have it fixed. Buying a car is only one stage of owning a car![]()
Good point. I would have brought it up myself if the cost of buying a new car didn't far exceed any of those things simply by itself. Or that many people can afford to actually operate a car but can't afford the steep cost of buying a car on top of that.
But other than that, yeah.
I just thought of something: Is it common knowledge that these perfectly usable cars are purposely destroyed and I was just an idiot, or is this one of those fine print bills that everyone loves until they actually figure out what is going on?
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=176981
A bunch of cars posted in that thread are perfectly good, there was even a manual e34 5er that was traded in for the program.
edit: and just like that, it's over
They tend to get good gas mileage, thus not qualifying.
You mean they can make them burn through gas just like they did when they were new? Awesome!
They are allowed to part them out, they can sell the interior, exterior, anything like that except for the engine.
You do realize that these cars that are being turned in with the cash for clunkers programs are being turned in because they'll get less money with a trade in?
That 2001 (insert vehicle) isn't worth 3k the way it sits, which is why they turn it in through the program, because they'll get more money that way. It's their car and their choice, and they drove off the lot in a brand new vehicle.
If it makes you feel any better, we saved a 1980's fox body Convertible with a 5.0 from getting killed in this thing.
Still dodging the fiscal question, I see..
Does it, or does it not, bother you that the government is putting their grubby little fingers into the pot, and artificially manipulating the markets, spending your tax dollars, and driving inflation up and our dollar's relative value down? The incentives alone aren't the only cost: I assume the government pays to have the cars cut up and scrapped as well? Not to mention the energy and transportation costs. Or are those coming out of the dealer's pockets, and thus you don't get that raise?
It seems I'm one of the few that just don't care.
I don't want 99% of the crap cars being crushed, nor do I care if they are. Sure they might still work, but so far I've only seen one that I can truly say is a good piece of engineering being destroyed.
Point is, I blame the people who trade-in their vehicles while not even TRYING to sell it private party to get the most out of it.
Incandescent light bulbs will suffer a similar fate in Canada soon. So they can be replaced with mercury-filled fluorescents of landfill doom. Nice.
Howabout, instead of, you know, killing the old technology with government intervention and embracing the new, we let the old live on until it becomes extinct? I'll use the lightbulb example again.
So many people are caught up the flourescent hype, because it'll save electricity and they can get brighter light, etc. What they don't realize is that flourescents and incandescents have co-existed for a long time already, and the reason why is this: Incandescents have a warmer glow, a lower colour temperature. Red light just makes food and skin tone look better. Flourescents, in comparison, are greenish in colour. Green light makes people look sickly and food looks like crap. Hence why we still prefer to use red light in film, television and restaurants. Maybe we do want a character to have a sickly skin tone in some scenes, but the point is, we should have a CHOICE.
If we can't afford a hybrid, we should have that choice to buy that 80s Volvo or Toyota or Chevy that stills runs. Not forcefully kill them off until they become extinct.
but CFC isn't really an environmental thing... it's a business protection scheme disguised as an eco-program.
What is the government program I have to get involved in where tax payer money is contributed to me ricing a Civic?None of you seem nearly this upset towards the abominations shown in the Questionable Modifications thread, what's the deal there?
Properly used, CFLs last longer... and you can recycle mercury.
Apart from one horror story where a CFL burst, causing state-wide panic and an EPA lockdown... in personal use over the last twenty years, I've never seen a fluorescent explode... ever. The older ones (full sized) tended to burn out due to power fluctuations ruining the ballast, but these new CFLs are more stable. Have only ever had to replace one in four years.
And you can get them with filters that change the light to a more pleasant color. And they save money. And I recycle. Properly used and disposed, there's no environmental harm.
Properly disposed being the key words. It's not like you can go around throwing old CFLs like grenades just to watch them explode like you can do with incandescents...
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Cash for Clunkers is stupid from an environmental point of view... cars become more economicallly sensible the longer you use them and run them... but CFC isn't really an environmental thing... it's a business protection scheme disguised as an eco-program.
I don't even want to KNOW how many Fbodies, Foxes or classic European rarities were treated this way.
SCOTS are rushing to send their rare cars to the scrap-yard in order to take advantage of the Government’s scrappage scheme.
As every car traded in under the new scheme has to be destroyed, classic car enthusiasts are worried that some rarities will be lost forever.
Showrooms are seeing Morris Minors, Mercedes and Porches being driven into their dealership to be traded in for a shiny new fuel-efficient car with a substantial £2,000 discount.
And it is leading to some out-of-character behaviour from the usually ruthless car salesmen.
Horrified salesman
A spokesman for Kia said one of their dealers stopped a customer from sending her 1960s Singer Vogue to an early grave so she could buy their Picanto model at just £4,195.
The dealer, in Ewell, Surrey, persuaded her to sell the car instead and offered her the money off the new car anyway.
At another dealerships, a horrified salesman saved a 1980s RMB Gentry kit car from the scrap-yard.
Ian Seabrook, deputy editor of Classic Car Weekly, says readers have bombarded his office with heartbreaking tales of scrapped classics.
Rare Morris Minor pickup
He said: “We don’t like to see any useable car binned like this. And some of them do hit you quite hard.
“We’ve heard of an old Fiat 500, 80s and 90s Jags and future classics like the Ford Scorpio being scrapped.
“Perhaps the saddest one we’ve heard of is a genuine 1971 Morris Minor pickup, which is a very rare car.
“People see it as an easy way to get £2,000 but in some cases they could have haggled the discount anyway.”
“Wave goodbye”
A spokesman for another dealer said some cars they had been forced to send to their doom surprised them. They included a 1996 Austin 1100, a 1968 Morris Minor, a Jaguar XJ-S and a Mercedes F500.
Tony Whitehorn, Hyundai UK’s managing director, said: “For many it is an opportunity to buy their first-ever new car and it is enormously exciting.
“Some buyers have taken the decision to wave goodbye to cars which have been in the family for a generation.
“But their sadness disappears when they get into their new Hyundai.”
“But their sadness disappears when they get into their new Hyundai.”
These cars are the property of their owners, who choose to sell them to the program.
That 2001 (insert vehicle) isn't worth 3k the way it sits, which is why they turn it in through the program, because they'll get more money that way. It's their car and their choice, and they drove off the lot in a brand new vehicle.
I think American needs to quit being so caught up in the past and move on. Big heavy bricks of cars are done. I don't like hybrids, but we need to get with the programs like the rest of the world did a decade ago and not rely on massive engines to produce power.
With technology, ya it's cool to save some things but with most of it just recycle it and get something new and updated. I bet most of us have no problem with scraping a computer because it gets too old or even a game console. So why cars?
So I wake up today and turn on the news and they said Cash for Clunkers has been cancelled because they ran out of money. Yay Obama 👍![]()
I can't tell if they mean that they have a huge stack of paperwork to be approved, and that count is what they are talking about or if they really just misspoke in a panic when they realized they would be finished next week at this rate.I don't get it. They say they allocated $1 billion. If 27000 people took advantage it would cost between $94,500,000 and $121,500,000 based on the $3500 and $4500 figures. Is the government that inefficient?
There are a lot of people though that are emotionally attached to things like computers, gaming consoles, etc. There are a lot of people that just view cars as tools, which is effectively what they are. In the end though it is still that person's property to do with it what they will. If they want to scrap it in a government programme they have that right as the property's owner.
If I still had my Dodge Neon I would have used it towards the CARS programme in a heartbeat. I didn't care about that car, it was something to get me to and from school. It had life in it when I sold it but I only got about $1,000 for it. I would have much rather got $3,500 for it and bought something like a Civic.
I'll admit I can get emotionally attached to a vehicle, this should be pretty obvious judging by the love I show my own car. I mean you've seen my thread here on GTP and you've seen my facebook with the tons of pictures I have with it. Hell I've even given my car a name.
To be honest though I don't really care about most classic cars, sure there are some I really do like but a Mustang from the 70's? Meh. An old Camaro? Meh. I know a lot of people do though, and thus a fair number of them will be saved and cared for.
I can't tell if they mean that they have a huge stack of paperwork to be approved, and that count is what they are talking about or if they really just misspoke in a panic when they realized they would be finished next week at this rate.
My best guess is they realized that it was going too fast and with Congress leaving session after today they needed to freeze it to beg for more money.
I can't tell if they mean that they have a huge stack of paperwork to be approved, and that count is what they are talking about or if they really just misspoke in a panic when they realized they would be finished next week at this rate.