ChatGPT Could Teach the Next Gran Turismo Sophy How to Race

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Call me a luddite, but I'd rather they stick with hand-tuned Sophy AI and have different driving style/manoeuvre presets for B-Spec. Even if you get less customisation than using ChatGPT.

EDIT: By hand-tuned, I mean it's their own AI model specifically for Sophy and that they're adjusting parts of it manually.
 
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Sophy is already machine learning, i wouldn't be against using AI tech in back end stuff like this, it seems to be a "harmless" use of the tech.
I would be out in a heartbeat if PD started using Gen AI in their car models tho.
Don't even wanna think about it
 
You would not be able to tell if gen ai was used for concept, because it’s very common to start with that, based on another concept and modify to suit the vision. Professionals don’t use gen ai for final output, that’s not what it’s for for many reasons
 
Using a chatbot AI to more efficiently teach another AI... it's a bit odd. I watched the series about the creation of Sophy a while ago, and the very clever programmers involved seemed quite proud of their work in guiding this racing AI to be so fast and adaptive. In this case: making hundreds, and eventually a limitless amount of customised driving styles, I concede that it can't be done by people. Or... well, people aren't really doing it anyway, deep reinforcement learning is strange like that.

Paraphrasing a very long video I made, Sophy was taught to drive in a way equivalent to how a dog learns an agility course: a clear goal and a handful of treats. There are differences in that dogs can't read their split times nor fully understand clean overtaking, but that's the gist of it.

There've already been quite a few types of Sophy: the superhuman Sophy that beat GTWS drivers at Le Mans (by taking extremely aggressive, almost illegal and very unusual racing lines with nearly the accuracy of a tool-assisted speedrun), the four colours of the Race Together event Sophy (Violette was a particularly sharkish driver), Sophy "devious grin emoji" 2.0, and more relaxed, but still very good at overtaking Power Pack Sophy. Exactly how much human work was going into making Sophy variants with different paces, I'm not sure. The way it was presented made it seem that once it had become the fastest bot in the world, it was (not so simply) a matter of telling it to aim for more reasonable lap times on other difficulty settings (which still requires training time). I've witnessed Power Pack Sophy having a sugar rush and putting in a lap 2 seconds faster than its own pole time, then doing the next lap 6.5 seconds slower once it realised it was pulling too far away, and I'm not sure if that was "Boost" or sandbagging.

If AI can turn a text prompt for how to drive into new instructions, then into new weights for the model, great! I don't know how well a prompt can generate a driving personality, though. Each agent would be different, but exactly how different would be open to interpretation and a lot of confirmation bias. "I told Sophy to drive recklessly, like Burt Reynolds, and I can see the resemblance!"
Something like "Drive like Sophy v4, but take the risky overtake option 30% more often" could make a virtual personality for a future Gran Turismo AI opponent, I suppose, but sadly not "Drive like (famous racing driver)".
How would an LLM even describe a driver to Sophy? If it only gleans the web for written descriptions of driving styles, it seems pointless. Would Sophy Michael Schumacher crash into Sophy Damon Hill to maintain championship standings? Not from a prompt. Anything less than turning real, recorded laps into in-game telemetry to study (somehow) wouldn't really capture a person's driving style. Still, hopefully this leads to something fruitful, and not Sony AI's humans being made redundant.

Sophy is already machine learning, i wouldn't be against using AI tech in back end stuff like this, it seems to be a "harmless" use of the tech.
I would be out in a heartbeat if PD started using Gen AI in their car models tho.
Don't even wanna think about it
I think PD already use Houdini and/or other procedural generation tools like it for some environment details (like the road markings on Grand Valley and Trial Mountain, background buildings in Tokyo). Unless some Disneyesque executive greed intervenes, I'd say the world's best car modelling team has secure employment and is going to keep doing things their way.
 
Call me a luddite, but I'd rather they stick with hand-tuned Sophy AI and have different driving style/manoeuvre presets for B-Spec. Even if you get less customisation than using ChatGPT.

EDIT: By hand-tuned, I mean it's their own AI model specifically for Sophy and that they're adjusting parts of it manually.
"Hand tuning" is the problem. As we debate in the custom race thread, who are you tuning for? Having the AI change behavior based on some direction is a good way to go.
 
"Hand tuning" is the problem. As we debate in the custom race thread, who are you tuning for? Having the AI change behavior based on some direction is a good way to go.
If you mean Sophy in general, it's tuned to meet a general objective (good racecraft and high pace). As for B-Spec, you could do hand-written/programmed scenarios that aren't infinite but it all uses Sophy's own model without ChatGPT. These scenarios could be chosen by the player as the action for the AI to take in the race. Like an expanded and more detailed version of GT5's B-Spec options.

May not be as customisable as something done by ChatGPT, but personally I would rather have the hand-tuned version. I prefer that option from an ethical perspective. Although as mentioned I understand that Sophy's model takes environmental resources also.
 
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As someone who works with AI in the medical profession, I would never trust any medical professional who relies on AI to do anything. It's impossibly bad when it comes to medical anything and often just makes up symptoms and diagnoses. Never mind that most AI has zero HIPAA compliance and often ships your medical information to some low-security server in China. We barely allow it for certain circumstances where I work because it's a security nightmare.

Leave AI to do unimportant things. Creating driver profiles is fine because, if it goes off the rails, no one ends up dead.
You could say the same thing about Google, though. No reputable doctor relies on Google, but it can help point them in the right direction. The key difference being they know how to filter out the rubbish, compared to your average Joe self-diagnosing with WebMD.
AI tools like Heidi Health also seem to be fairly useful (anecdotal evidence from relatives), so it's a bit disingenuous to say it can't be used effectively for healthcare.

It's a similar story with programmers using Claude/CoPilot to help debug etc. vs some grifter on LinkedIn slopcoding something in five minutes.
 
If you say "ChatGPT" in French, it means "Cat, I have farted".

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"Chat, j'ai pété"
Just wait till you anglophones hear how they pronounce “Spider-Man” in French :D

No, a week-and-a-half delay is not sufficient to prevent me from cracking this joke. Thank you very much.
 
AI in medical uses?
Well, as far as my shallow knowledge go, there are several types of AI. The most common use of AI in medicine is image recognition. That is, train an AI specialized in pattern recognition, with tons of medical images (MRI scans, mammographies, x-rays), and each of those images are tagged with human expert diagnosis. Then show the AI the images of a new patient, and expect the AI system answer. Thats a valid use of AI in medicine, and it has been in several test stages as the efforts were / are scattered. Those uses, mind you, came way before LLMs were even brought online. I would like seeing the 0.01% of the budget for the development of Sora or other stupíd uses of AI being applied to actual medical AI image recognition research. I guess that the "prominent" figures on AI corporations failed to see this, and decided to BET (that's right, BET) the whole farm, on LLMs instead of other AI types.
So, Image recognition is not the same as LLMs nor agents.

I read briefly the research paper, and what I understood (correct me if Im wrong) is applying LLM's (and /or agentic AI) for them helping in coding the training functions that will bring Sophy-derivatives with diverse behaviours. Then make those derivatives race, while an AI Agent watch/evaluate the race outcome. That is, making the AI process faster / automatic. What I like to see is HOW the LLM will translate "make the AI FASTER" without ****ing it up, but hey, I assume that those errors will be caught up by the reinforced learning algorithms.

So, yep, this sounds like a viable use of AI assisted training of an agentic model, but we, the uneducated masses, had been exposed to so many fumbles, egocentrism, reality detachment, exhuberant stupidity and even megalomania of some AI "prominent" figures, that we are inclined to think of anything with the slightest whiff of LLM as a bad thing, in many instances, rightfully so. But this case its just using AI for giving us "better" or "more diverse" versions of Sophy, to which I say, go for it, in the grand scheme of things, this is one of the least offensive uses of AI I had seen in the last months.
 
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