Cheaters already appearing on the leaderboards!

the forza2 lap time penaltie system worked well! On GT5 u can take a kerb one lap get a penalty then not get one the next lap

Or Get rammed by the AI in a race and get a penalty for it lol. inconsistent at best.......
 
Cheaters? Try hackers! Don't believe me?

Go to the P650 online time trial for Daytona. Now look at the guy in second place. He's got a time of 43 seconds with a Ford GT40 Test car (he's only two seconds behind the F2007 BTW!), Not too shabby... Now look at his setup.

He's got R3's front and back! Now I'll be damned if I can get anything more than sports tyres on the GT40, and that's after adding maximum weight, lowering the HP considerably, and lowering the aerodynamic to the absolute minimum!

Honestly, by the time you shoe-horn the GT40 into the 650 point limit (it starts off with circa 750 points!), its so gimped out, that it can do nothing but waddle around the track like a fat old tart! So what gives?
Wow thats even worse. Hopefully ,hackers get banned for pulling off otherwise unfair tactic. If they could do that to that car, would do you think they could with the other cars? Looks like another reason to be nervous about online. And I believe the car you are reffering to is the Ford GT Test Car. For some reason, everyone seems to mistake with the GT40 despite their being a huge difference.
 
Someone might correct me if i am wrong.. But I don't think there are records for ANY events.. The leaderboards are purely for the Time/Drift trials under the 'arcade' mode....

There may be other leaderboards in the game, but I don't think they are as thorough..

So for the 'trial mode', where you simply set your fastest lap in a session, it goes into the leaderboard against the track/car you were using.. If its in the top 10, your 'video' is saved too.

Can anyone confirm if this is right? Are there any other records/leaderboards in the game??

Jon

Oh, oh. I'm back to worried again, since I'll definitely be racing Professional mode, not Standard (ie Arcade mode). I'm willing to live without online times counting towards the leaderboards, but please don't tell me, the leaderboards don't separate Arcade times from Professional Times... Crap!

I'm so close to downloading off PSN, because Gamefly is going to take another 3 weeks at least!

Ok, so Forza Leaderboards look like this (click here).

Arcade mode is a separate board called Time Trials.

Hot Lap times are sorted by class, then track. Each time is noted for which assists (ie ABS, Traction Control, Stability Management, Auto Transmission) and whether you drafted during the lap or not. The Hot Lap times could be during a free run, online multiplayer or career.

They also had a career leaderboard.

I could still have fun if the professional settings had there own separate board. If the best times are done with Standard/arcade mode and/or it doesn't note the difference between a Professional time and a Standard time, that would be awful.

I won't race in Standard mode just to post a good time and if online is borked for now and times don't count on leaderboards anyway, then I'm really disappointed. I prefer real racing to AI racing and setting faster and faster laps is a huge part of racing. Especially when trying to improve your rank with friends etc.

Can someone who owns Prologue please help me understand how the leaderboards work (in reasonable detail) before I hit "buy" on PSN? Thanks! I don't want to wait for Gamefly, but this is important.
 
Oh, oh. I'm back to worried again, since I'll definitely be racing Professional mode, not Standard (ie Arcade mode). I'm willing to live without online times counting towards the leaderboards, but please don't tell me, the leaderboards don't separate Arcade times from Professional Times... Crap!.


I think you are confused.. Again, I could be wrong, but this is how I see it...

When you go into the 'rankings', there are 71x12x2 leaderboards (71 cars, 12 tracks and 2 modes (Drift and Time))...

Each of these leaderboards are populated based on what car you are driving and what track you are on.. But it has nothing to do with 'setup'...

So, no matter if you are running ABS, TCS, Standard/Pro physics, its makes no difference.. All laps for a given car on a given track go into the same leaderboard.

The times are taken from sessions that you play (Time and Drift) under the Arcade menu.

As I said, there could be other leaderboards and stats in the game.. But the only on-line rankings I am aware of are the ones I have talked about above.

Jon
 
lol, who cares...It's not cheating...If they do it and you want to be on top, do it back. It's all about who does it better. I have seen those replays and they slam into the side without a penalty. I have also seen these players in other events where they don't do that...The top players are very good. It's also not very competitive to just look at the daytona oval track, lol...Anyone can go in a circle. Try a drift...
 
I think you are confused.. Again, I could be wrong, but this is how I see it...

When you go into the 'rankings', there are 71x12x2 leaderboards (71 cars, 12 tracks and 2 modes (Drift and Time))...

Each of these leaderboards are populated based on what car you are driving and what track you are on.. But it has nothing to do with 'setup'...

So, no matter if you are running ABS, TCS, Standard/Pro physics, its makes no difference.. All laps for a given car on a given track go into the same leaderboard.

The times are taken from sessions that you play (Time and Drift) under the Arcade menu.

As I said, there could be other leaderboards and stats in the game.. But the only on-line rankings I am aware of are the ones I have talked about above.

Jon

Thanks Jon, since I don't have it yet this helps. The quanity of leaderboards sounds excellent, it's the filters and what modes which are captured, I'm concerned with since I won't race in arcade mode... :nervous:

I'm disappointed it doesn't note, which driving aids were used, but more importantly can you race using Professional Settings on Time and Drift? You said it's in the Arcade menu, so it doesn't sound like it, but I want to be sure.

If Online and Career races aren't captured on the leaderboards, then it's all about time trials and drift. Is there a separate Professional leaderboard? Can I run Professional mode in the Arcade menu? If not, then I have one option, Arcade, and that's brutal. I can buy PGR or Motorstorm for arcade... :nervous: :grumpy:

Lastly, are arcade lap times quicker than Professional times with the same car or does PD artificially slow down the cars a bit in arcade mode? Thanks again.
 
Thanks Jon, since I don't have it yet this helps. The quanity of leaderboards sounds excellent, it's the filters and what modes which are captured, I'm concerned with since I won't race in arcade mode... :nervous:

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I think I can see where the confustion has come from (and bear with me if this doesn't make sense, as I have had a couple or 3 beers :) )

Ok.. So under the 'arcade' menu, there is

1. Single Race
2. Time Trial
3. Race

ALL of these modes can be played with any combinatoin of 'assists' and also in Standard/Pro physics.

When it comes to records, we can rule out the "single race" mode as thats simple a race with other cars, the laps times of which are not recorded (correct me if I am wrong).

So you are left with "Time" and "Drift" trails and thats what populates the leaderboards.

No matter what mode you start, you can can the level of 'assistance' and also toggle between Pro/Standard physics, but it doens't matter what you do, because your best lap (irrespective of mode) goes into the leaderboard.

So, if you are into beating laptimes, you will spend most of your times playing the "Arcade -> Time Trial" option!

Jon
 
I may of read the posts wrong, but I just want to say that standard and professional have separate boards in the time trials, which are located in the arcade section, at least thats the way it is in the JPN copy.
 
I'm so close to downloading off PSN, because Gamefly is going to take another 3 weeks at least!
Where do you live, because I didn't know Gamefly shipped outside North America and the NA version won't be available until April 17th. So, if you are in NA you won't be able to download before then either.

If you are not in NA, and Gamefly does ship outside, then I think the delay is that Gamefly is US based so they won't have the game until the North American version comes out.

lol, who cares...It's not cheating...If they do it and you want to be on top, do it back. It's all about who does it better.
You know, I quit playing Monopoly with certain people because they acted like this. I don't want to start cheating and lower my personal standards just to try to prove to myself I can be better than a cheater. The fact that I don't cheat already proves to me that I am better than a cheater.
 
Where do you live, because I didn't know Gamefly shipped outside North America and the NA version won't be available until April 17th. So, if you are in NA you won't be able to download before then either.

If you are not in NA, and Gamefly does ship outside, then I think the delay is that Gamefly is US based so they won't have the game until the North American version comes out.

Oh. I'm in the USA. I thought the PSN version was out now, but the disk version was April 17th. I guess I won't be downloading today no matter what. Are people playing the European or Japanese versions?
 
I may of read the posts wrong, but I just want to say that standard and professional have separate boards in the time trials, which are located in the arcade section, at least thats the way it is in the JPN copy.

Chronos, that's what I was asking. Jon thinks the Professional mode, doesn't have it's own leaderboard, but you say it does. If it does, them I'm fine with doing Time Trials using Professional mode assuming the Standard physics don't have all the top times.

In Forza the top times generally had maybe ABS (sometimes not even ABS), but often none of the other driving aids. There wasn't really an arcade mode online. People just chose whether to use AT, ABS, STM and TCM. You could be just as fast without any aids, so it didn't matter, because the physics model was always the same.

It seems like there is a big step from Standard to Professional physics in Prologue from what I'm reading. The driving aids seem the same for both Standard and Pro, but Standard has different physics.... Forza just had the driving aids, so the physics stayed the same. If the leaderboards are separate, I wouldn't care because I'd just worry about the professional leaderboard. If they're combined and it doesn't even show what aids were use to set your time or whether you were on Standard or Professional Physics, then it's an issue...

Also, did someone above say you can't race online in Professional mode? That doesn't sound right. :confused:

Lastly, on each of those leaderboards can you filter by just your friends. I like to compete with friends and with thousands of people you need to be able to filter by friends? Thanks.
 
Chronos, that's what I was asking. Jon thinks the Professional mode, doesn't have it's own leaderboard, but you say it does. If it does, them I'm fine with doing Time Trials using Professional mode assuming the Standard physics don't have all the top times.

In Forza the top times generally had maybe ABS (sometimes not even ABS), but often none of the other driving aids. There wasn't really an arcade mode online. People just chose whether to use AT, ABS, STM and TCM. You could be just as fast without any aids, so it didn't matter, because the physics model was always the same.

It seems like there is a big step from Standard to Professional physics in Prologue from what I'm reading. The driving aids seem the same for both Standard and Pro, but Standard has different physics.... Forza just had the driving aids, so the physics stayed the same. If the leaderboards are separate, I wouldn't care because I'd just worry about the professional leaderboard. If they're combined and it doesn't even show what aids were use to set your time or whether you were on Standard or Professional Physics, then it's an issue...

Also, did someone above say you can't race online in Professional mode? That doesn't sound right. :confused:

Lastly, on each of those leaderboards can you filter by just your friends. I like to compete with friends and with thousands of people you need to be able to filter by friends? Thanks.

Maybe in the full GT5, but with Prologue bare bones qualities I would not expect it until closer to the release of the full game. I agree with you though, PD needs every leaderboard option the Turn10 has, it makes it soooo damn convenient to look up anyone's times.
 
I may of read the posts wrong, but I just want to say that standard and professional have separate boards in the time trials, which are located in the arcade section, at least thats the way it is in the JPN copy.

That's what I noticed too. Right after I installed the JPN download I went out an fooled around at Daytona Road Course in the TT. The rankings had a heading at the top for professional mode.
 
That's what I noticed too. Right after I installed the JPN download I went out an fooled around at Daytona Road Course in the TT. The rankings had a heading at the top for professional mode.

That's good, then the Professional times will be separate from the Standard times as it should be. That helps.

No one has answered this though. Is there a way to see your friends time(s) without paging through thousands of times?
 
I don't want to start cheating and lower my personal standards just to try to prove to myself I can be better than a cheater. The fact that I don't cheat already proves to me that I am better than a cheater.

I couldn't agree with you more. 👍
 
Don't know if this has been posted before, but if you see someone cheating, you can (and should) report him here: http://ps3reporting.com

The sooner these people start getting in trouble for cheating, the sooner the rest of the players can enjoy the game they paid for without being confronted with these people all the time.

Plus, the fact that people get reported on cheating in GT5:P may carry more responsability towards Sony and PD to arrange for things to improve in the future and pressure them to do so.
 
No one has answered this though. Is there a way to see your friends time(s) without paging through thousands of times?

You can't page through thousands of times, all you can see are the top 100 drivers. As for checking your friends times, thats only possible if they are in the top 100 also.

When it comes to to your friends, GT5:P has to be the most primative online game ever made. I'm still finding it hard to believe that there is no way of finding your mates online, or inviting them into a race. Come on PD those are basic 'gamers rights'!
 
You can't page through thousands of times, all you can see are the top 100 drivers. As for checking your friends times, thats only possible if they are in the top 100 also.

When it comes to to your friends, GT5:P has to be the most primative online game ever made. I'm still finding it hard to believe that there is no way of finding your mates online, or inviting them into a race. Come on PD those are basic 'gamers rights'!

Ugh! That makes it a lonely world online... :grumpy: I'm sure that PD will fix that in GT 5, but for now that definitely sucks.
 
Cheaters? Try hackers! Don't believe me?

Go to the P650 online time trial for Daytona. Now look at the guy in second place. He's got a time of 43 seconds with a Ford GT40 Test car (he's only two seconds behind the F2007 BTW!), Not too shabby... Now look at his setup.

He's got R3's front and back! Now I'll be damned if I can get anything more than sports tyres on the GT40, and that's after adding maximum weight, lowering the HP considerably, and lowering the aerodynamic to the absolute minimum!

Honestly, by the time you shoe-horn the GT40 into the 650 point limit (it starts off with circa 750 points!), its so gimped out, that it can do nothing but waddle around the track like a fat old tart! So what gives?

or the guy on first place on high speed ring pro time trial, he drives a F1 with R3 tyres, that impossible and quite frankly pisses me of that people hack the game, why they dont get banned is beyond me
 
You know, I quit playing Monopoly with certain people because they acted like this. I don't want to start cheating and lower my personal standards just to try to prove to myself I can be better than a cheater. The fact that I don't cheat already proves to me that I am better than a cheater.
👍 I agree with you there. LordofLordz, would you lower your own standards just to be "better"? I would never bring myself to their level just to be "better". Thats just not what a competitor like Foolkiller or me would do(at least I believe so). We don't like to stoop to low levels like that just to win. We would rather do it in a fair and competitive enviroment, which to me is much more rewarding. You might think that doing it back works fine but to be quite honest, how would that make us any better then a cheater if we only did the same thing they did?
 
funny,am now 3rd in timetrail 650 hsr.......like a few thousands behind nr 2(...damn...just a few more feet!!!)....and 20!!!!!seconds behind nr1 wich is the f1.....so when more people do that track with f1 and take all first places...i have to wait untill i get mine,and thats a few weeks away....hmmmm,maybe there should be a seperate tt for f12007.........!!
 
Oh. I'm in the USA. I thought the PSN version was out now, but the disk version was April 17th. I guess I won't be downloading today no matter what. Are people playing the European or Japanese versions?
No, no version for NA has come out yet, unless you import.

Yes, they are playing either the EU or JPN versions. I, being in Kentucky, and patient, am not playing anything but the Japanese demo. Many of the members here are from Europe or Asia, so we are getting to see them all play it.

Don't complain too much as Europe usually gets everything last and it is nice to see them getting something first. I just wish that it wasn't my favorite game. If you want to see an example of the imbalance shown toward Europe just look at the Playstation Store Thread. The US will get a PSN game, a couple of demos and about five videos while they get a couple of videos for games or movies that came out in the US a month earlier.

I believe they got Prologue first mainly because Sony Europe has already done one Prologue and so most of them get it, as shown by over 1 million presales.

Also, I was in Gamestop the other day (remembered that I hate them) and asked about their Prologue preorders (I already placed mine through Best Buy). Apparently they only had a couple until last week when all the news began coming out of Europe. One employee tried to explain that it was because news had come out that it was an incomplete game now but via online updates it would turn into the full game. I didn't bother correcting him.
 
That's good, then the Professional times will be separate from the Standard times as it should be. That helps.

No one has answered this though. Is there a way to see your friends time(s) without paging through thousands of times?

Now I am confused.. I will need to check this tonight, as I was sure that Standard and Pro were all on the same leaderboard.

When you click on each person, you can see what 'aids' they are using.. And I was pretty sure that you can see that some are PRO and other STANDARD...

I am almost certainly wrong, but this is certainly how I remembered it...

I will check when I get home from work and report back

Jon
 
If by "first" you mean "only 3 months after Japan" then yeah, I agree. :)
Well, it is an accepted fact that Japan gets nearly all games first. So, any conversation after that purely ignores the fact that the Japanese markets get the early rollouts.
 
Now I am confused.. I will need to check this tonight, as I was sure that Standard and Pro were all on the same leaderboard.

When you click on each person, you can see what 'aids' they are using.. And I was pretty sure that you can see that some are PRO and other STANDARD...

I am almost certainly wrong, but this is certainly how I remembered it...

I will check when I get home from work and report back

Jon

Sorry. i was wrong.. There ARE different leaderboards for STANDARD and PRO physics!!

So that makes 3408 different leaderboards.. 71 cars x 12 tracks x 2 modes (Drift/Time) x 2 Physics!

I still don't know if there are any more leaderboards/stats in the game other than this!

Jon
 
Yeah people cheating already is pretty sad.:nervous:
I hope that PD check them and delete them.

If you look on F40, HighspeedRing, Professional Physics. Watch No1 Replay. Hiits walls on T1 and last turn Has no car control at all.
On the other hand watch KarlG's replay ranked 7. That guy is seriously good:dopey:
 
Does noone else remember Nigel Mansell mentioning using the wall in Indycar?

If you can slap a barrier in real life then why not in a sim?
 
If you can slap a barrier in real life then why not in a sim?

Personally i would'nt be happy knowing i'd set a decent time with the aid of the barrier(s) and find it highly frustrating when i carn'nt get near the top of the boards because the top times are occupied by such antics, i wish PD would clean up the boards once in while even if its just the top 10's.
 
funny,am now 3rd in timetrail 650 hsr.......like a few thousands behind nr 2(...damn...just a few more feet!!!)....and 20!!!!!seconds behind nr1 wich is the f1.....so when more people do that track with f1 and take all first places...i have to wait untill i get mine,and thats a few weeks away....hmmmm,maybe there should be a seperate tt for f12007.........!!

There should be.. in fact, seperate time trials PER car should not be too hard to implement.. let's hope they realise that and use that as well.
 

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