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@PirateAlan8

Being overly defensive is very annoying. I had a guy who would not let me pass on Friday night (Interlagos TTS) and all that it caused was those behind to catch up to me. So in the end there was 4 or 5 all stuck behind this guy, eventually everyone passed but in the half a lap or so that he was holding me up I lose my advantage on others behind.

But that is, in some circumstances, racing. Some people are very defensive... The ability to pass someone defensive/ cut through back markers quickly and cleanly is a valuable skill.

Obviously I didn't see the race or know what he was doing, if he was intentionally blocking all the time then that's not fair or sportsmanlike, however I have raced defensively for half a lap to try and maintain my position. If done properly then it presents quite a challenge for the player behind.

I would like to add that my defensive driving was within the rules of F1 in terms of holding my line and there was no contact :)
 
But that is, in some circumstances, racing. Some people are very defensive... The ability to pass someone defensive/ cut through back markers quickly and cleanly is a valuable skill.

Obviously I didn't see the race or know what he was doing, if he was intentionally blocking all the time then that's not fair or sportsmanlike, however I have raced defensively for half a lap to try and maintain my position. If done properly then it presents quite a challenge for the player behind.

I would like to add that my defensive driving was within the rules of F1 in terms of holding my line and there was no contact :)
No, it was erratic blocking.. not a defensive tactic :lol: he was swerving to prevent me (and then others) passing.
 
Yeah, see that's not cool. In the world of most motor racing bodies that is classed as cheating.

I do enjoy a good challenge defensively, though.
 
Should be one defensive move, you can move across to block, but if the driver behind still goes to overtake, you can't sweep back across the track.

I think this particular Paddy had had a few whiskeys on Friday

Yeah, see that's not cool. In the world of most motor racing bodies that is classed as cheating.

I do enjoy a good challenge defensively, though.
For sure, and you often get a good battle with another racer. When some blocks as this guy did, and in that time 4 other racers catch up, that is not a good battle, it's holding up traffic :lol:
 
But that is, in some circumstances, racing. Some people are very defensive... The ability to pass someone defensive/ cut through back markers quickly and cleanly is a valuable skill.

Obviously I didn't see the race or know what he was doing, if he was intentionally blocking all the time then that's not fair or sportsmanlike, however I have raced defensively for half a lap to try and maintain my position. If done properly then it presents quite a challenge for the player behind.

I would like to add that my defensive driving was within the rules of F1 in terms of holding my line and there was no contact :)

Yes I agree that defending hard is more annoying than it is technically wrong. But I could defend to a point where I would be running 5 seconds a lap slower. There is nothing wrong with parking the car on the apex or not giving any space to a car who has got a run on you.

But it will definitely increase the chances of getting a friendly tap off the circuit. Or have 3 other cars catch you up who you then end up getting tangled with.
 
Problems might be things like.

Inconsistent braking points. It’s impossible for someone the follow you closely if you aren’t consistently braking at the same place. They will rear end you.

You assume too much about me.So lets play your game.
I can break as early or late I want -racing legit-.This makes zero valid point about people hitting others from behind,putting them off track and gaining position when there is a 2nd lane/line wide open.
Most tracks have 2 or more lines into breaking zones.In case of one line into the corner then there is no "breaking zone" avaliable for use -in terms of passing there in a clean manner-.

Turning in on someone doing a late braking inside overtake. This is a fair move but turning in will result in you being smashed hard. You should use your mirror and radar to access their closing speed. It should be easy to avoid contact and keep your positon by doing an undercut.

I dont use "radars" because I have good enough "awareness" to know what is happening around me -using my mirrors-.
A late braking is a "generic" aproach.I too use "late breaking".But again there is a difference between that,"dive bombing" and actually establising a racing line that make a "late breakling" passing move legit (or not).Sometimes people think there is "space" or "window" open but in reality there is not.

Holding the outide line even when you see the gap closing. Not always a fair move (depends how far alongside you are) but it happens a lot that you get pushed wide at corner exit. You should see this coming, concede the position and tuck into the slipstream.

Again you make a guess about my racing kraft.Zero valid points here against mine but "just guessing"...
Still rules are rules.If I have the right to a line,there is no excuse for another leaning to me and pushing me off track -if it is not a mistake-.

Bad track re-entry. I’ve seen so many youtube videos of people getting smashed off, having a moan and then just rejoining the track with no care at all. This is a good way of getting punted again or annoying another who will take revenge.

I agree.Most people dont check before re-entering the track.I am not one of them.

Being overly defensive. People often defend too hard and cause no end of problems behind them. This will just enevitably cause people to nudge you off from retaliation.

I have the right to defend or attack as hard as I want -within the rules-.No way this is a valid point...

Failing to understand people make mistakes. Probably half your collisions are accidental and nothing malicious. There are probably just as many times where you made a mistake and ran into someone else. But people tend to forget their own mistakes.

You know nothing about me and how experienced I am.I understand perfectly well the difference between a mistake and a "dirty move".
BTW I know enough to back off from a "pass that is not happening",something that 99% of GTS users do not.I am afraid you picked the wrong guy to "lecture".
I dont even get mad or "go for revenge" btw -like other people do-.

Not using mirrors or radar enough. It’s too hard to list all the possible situations, but you should be looking at these as much as the track. You need to access your/their speed relative to the track and understand where there is (and isnt) going to be space in the next few seconds.

Again you assume too much about me.Even still,you make generic comments and you assume I make specific mistakes in order to "justify" the game's problems.
You did put a catalogue of "mistakes" I "propably" make in order to prove what?
That the penalty system is working well or that SR S drivers are all clean drivers?There are so many topics here about people "playing around" the system.I dont have a problem:the system has a problem that needs to be looked at.Not all drivers in SR rating are dirty but some of them are and dont belong in that "group" -example-.
My point is this:
PD needs to improve the penalty system and also add a "report" fuction that works.Then the dirty drivers will eventually get the SR rating they should have in the first place and some of them a nice ban -hopefully-.


Yes I agree that defending hard is more annoying than it is technically wrong. But I could defend to a point where I would be running 5 seconds a lap slower. There is nothing wrong with parking the car on the apex or not giving any space to a car who has got a run on you.

But it will definitely increase the chances of getting a friendly tap off the circuit. Or have 3 other cars catch you up who you then end up getting tangled with.

Defending has nothing to do with overall pace.Hard defending does not mean "going really slow".Means that even if you are 0:00.3xx faster you cannot pass me because I know how to defend and give you zero opportunity to pass -example:holding the racing line-.If I am losing 5 sec per lap -pace wise-,I gonna lose position in half a lap.
 
You assume too much about me.So lets play your game.
I can break as early or late I want -racing legit-.This makes zero valid point about people hitting others from behind,putting them off track and gaining position when there is a 2nd lane/line wide open.
Most tracks have 2 or more lines into breaking zones.In case of one line into the corner then there is no "breaking zone" avaliable for use -in terms of passing there in a clean manner-.



I dont use "radars" because I have good enough "awareness" to know what is happening around me -using my mirrors-.
A late braking is a "generic" aproach.I too use "late breaking".But again there is a difference between that,"dive bombing" and actually establising a racing line that make a "late breakling" passing move legit (or not).Sometimes people think there is "space" or "window" open but in reality there is not.



Again you make a guess about my racing kraft.Zero valid points here against mine but "just guessing"...
Still rules are rules.If I have the right to a line,there is no excuse for another leaning to me and pushing me off track -if it is not a mistake-.



I agree.Most people dont check before re-entering the track.I am not one of them.



I have the right to defend or attack as hard as I want -within the rules-.No way this is a valid point...



You know nothing about me and how experienced I am.I understand perfectly well the difference between a mistake and a "dirty move".
BTW I know enough to back off from a "pass that is not happening",something that 99% of GTS users do not.I am afraid you picked the wrong guy to "lecture".
I dont even get mad or "go for revenge" btw -like other people do-.



Again you assume too much about me.Even still,you make generic comments and you assume I make specific mistakes in order to "justify" the game's problems.
You did put a catalogue of "mistakes" I "propably" make in order to prove what?
That the penalty system is working well or that SR S drivers are all clean drivers?There are so many topics here about people "playing around" the system.I dont have a problem:the system has a problem that needs to be looked at.Not all drivers in SR rating are dirty but some of them are and dont belong in that "group" -example-.
My point is this:
PD needs to improve the penalty system and also add a "report" fuction that works.Then the dirty drivers will eventually get the SR rating they should have in the first place and some of them a nice ban -hopefully-.




Defending has nothing to do with overall pace.Hard defending does not mean "going really slow".Means that even if you are 0:00.3xx faster you cannot pass me because I know how to defend and give you zero opportunity to pass -example:holding the racing line-.If I am losing 5 sec per lap -pace wise-,I gonna lose position in half a lap.

I wasn’t making any assumptions about your driving! You asked me what problems might cause someone to get hit often. So I gave some answers.

But based on your replies it’s now quite clear what the problem is :)
 
Notice how the OP is nowhere to be seen! :lol:

Its logical.People want to moan about everything in any game/title.Since most people using GTS are more "casual" then expect this to happen.You wont see the same thing in iRacing sub-forum;)

But based on your replies it’s now quite clear what the problem is :)

Care to explain my "problem"?
:)

I wasn’t making any assumptions about your driving! You asked me what problems might cause someone to get hit often. So I gave some answers.

Either you did :

I firmly believe if you are having problems, it’s half your own making.

or my English are not good enough.
 
Its logical.People want to moan about everything in any game/title.Since most people using GTS are more "casual" then expect this to happen.You wont see the same thing in iRacing sub-forum;)



Care to explain my "problem"?
:)



Either you did :



or my English are not good enough.

Just that in your reply you seemed to misunderstand a lot of how racing works.

And no i won’t care to explain. It will take too long, and you’re unlikely to listen.
 
I think some drivers can't bare to lose a position, and will defend the place recklessly where they get hit. Sometimes it's better to let the car go past you, live to fight another lap, and pass them back later. The more you defend and fight, the slower you will be = the slower you are = the more cars will catch up and join the fight. This is even more true if you're 10th or something, it's not a position to be so precious over.
I think the truth has been spoken. Once you are ahead of the midfield pack then you can obsess over who is crowding your mirrors...
 
@PirateAlan8

Being overly defensive is very annoying. I had a guy who would not let me pass on Friday night (Interlagos TTS) and all that it caused was those behind to catch up to me. So in the end there was 4 or 5 all stuck behind this guy, eventually everyone passed but in the half a lap or so that he was holding me up I lose my advantage on others behind.
Had this so many times its just poor driving I try and give way if someones right up my arse
 
I think some drivers can't bare to lose a position, and will defend the place recklessly where they get hit. Sometimes it's better to let the car go past you, live to fight another lap, and pass them back later. The more you defend and fight, the slower you will be = the slower you are = the more cars will catch up and join the fight. This is even more true if you're 10th or something, it's not a position to be so precious over.

A lot of it is simply impatience. Racing in a group is very different than racing with a gap. Most people don't know how to race in a group. It's not their fault, it's what the series has always been. Start you in the back, fight your way through and by half race distance you have left the second place driver and you are effectively hot lapping.

If I'm defending a position, and that defense is causing the chasing pack to close, I let the person behind me go. One of two things will general happen. I either get the tow, stay with them and find a way around them before the finish line or, they leave me for dead and I keep the chasing pack away.

If I am trying to overtake, and we are closing down to the group in front, I don't fight with the car in front of me. There is no sense in slowing both of us down when we are running down the group in front.
 
Had this so many times its just poor driving I try and give way if someones right up my arse

I’m not saying it’s always bad!

But very very hard defending is always going to be bad sportsmanship (although actually allowed). It will also likely annoy the person behind and you’ll get hit out of frustration more often than not.

Hard defending is fine. Although sometimes it doesn’t make sense. It might be better just to let them by and lose a place. Rather than lose time defending and bring another couple of cars onto your tail and potentially lose several places.

Plus it’s never than much fun just to be let passed all the time. It’s good to have a few little bumps :)
 
There's nothing wrong with the game, if you play it a bit tactically. Start at the back for your first few races to guarantee a clean race. You will be amazed how quick you can go from DR E SR B to a C and S respectively. I have a back up account just incase I lose data again and I have hit S rating in just NINE races. Have patience and the rewards will come thick and fast and DR S races are largely very, very clean.

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I didn’t read everything, sorry, but I wanted to point something out.

@PirateAlan8

Being overly defensive is very annoying. I had a guy who would not let me pass on Friday night (Interlagos TTS) and all that it caused was those behind to catch up to me. So in the end there was 4 or 5 all stuck behind this guy, eventually everyone passed but in the half a lap or so that he was holding me up I lose my advantage on others behind.

If you race me, and I notice you’re catching up to me... that’s what I’ll do. I’ll defend my position, legally, and make you battle with others behind. That’s a strategy. I’m not racing to finish the race as fast as possible. I race to finish it before others do.
 
If you race me, and I notice you’re catching up to me... that’s what I’ll do. I’ll defend my position, legally, and make you battle with others behind. That’s a strategy. I’m not racing to finish the race as fast as possible. I race to finish it before others do.

This. Although it depends on which position you are in. If you're in 4th, closing in on 3rd, but you have someone behind you then it is illogical to slow your own progression to defend against the faster driver, however if you're in second with no hope of catching first, why wouldn't you defend the position?

These are of course examples, and I'm not advocating defending dangerously/ unethically by swerving or anything - that's blocking which is different - but driving defensively is a tactic to be used when the time is right.
 
Go watch a replay from the top10 board in Sport mode.
Are you getting anywhere near their time?
Are you braking in the same places?
I did, I did.
Here is one example, DR XXS, SR level 1000
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Yeah, and you got under mine
On most occasions I just do the racing and try and post the fastest time I can, but there is a limit to how often you get shunted off the track. Just did the 5th fastest time on FIA GT in qualifying, after the first corner I was 18th, got shunted off again and even got a penalty for it, far too many don't care how they get around the track so long as they are in front of you. Did a race the other day and kept getting rammed of the track by a german, ok I thought, I'll just follow you around for the next three laps, he might have crossed the line first but he ended up in 8th.

It seems I have annoyed some people on here, is that because they like to shunt other people off the track?
I have had pole positions, best laps and a few wins, this still does not take away the fact there are far too many who would rather knock you off the track then do a clean race. You can say what you like about me, and some of you have, but that still leaves a lot of cheats out there who would rather ram you than try and overtake you.
 
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