Chevrolet Volt/Cadillac ELR Thread: 2016 EPA Ratings

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It was so bad they wouldn't let third-parties test the darn things...
 
It was so bad they wouldn't let third-parties test the darn things...

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Third parties ripped it up so much they wouldn't let future models get tested! :lol:
 
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You are telling me that the US market is better than the European one? Most of the US-only cars are US-only for a reason. There are many more hideous US-market cars I could add to this that I wouldn't want to touch with a ten-foot pole.

Granted, newer cars are going to be more appealing than older ones, and each side of the pond has some pretty lame cheap-o cars. The new Euro cars are generally pretty awesome. I would be proud to drive any car from there. The engine just might be a little underpowered for the US, though.
 

Wait, whats wrong with the Avalanche? I love that truck, and it is part of the reason why my Dad bought one in 2005. I think it is a great-looking truck, however the version you've got there isn't the "good" one...

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...There ya go... Take of the plastic and it looks ten times better...
 
Better, but it still is a pretty pointless vehicle. It is neither a truck nor a SUV, although GM insists that it is both. Even still, trucks and SUVs are pretty useless to the general public. The only time you need one is if you go off-roading (soft-core), do construction, haul stuff, or live in Texas.
 
I completely disagree. The Avalanche is the perfect mix of tuck and SUV, and allows for the user to take full advantage to either side of the equation. My father for example uses it as an SUV on a daily basis hauling around my two step siblings to the babysitter, school, etc all while going to work hauling tools, equipment, etc in the bed. Certainly he could have gone all-out and gotten the full-size Crew Cab Silverado 1500, but overall the Avalanche seemed like a more reasonable choice for the greater amount of interior room.

...Speaking of off-roading, the Avalanche does quite well. We live on a fair bit of property, and we take it back in the woods quite often. Certainly its size doesn't allow it to go places that a Jeep could take you, but getting around on the trails is made rather easy with the power of the V8 and the awesome transmission and AWD setup made available on the truck. Ours isn't a Z71, but our 4X4 LS does more than enough to keep us happy.

I'd agree that most people who buy them aren't going to use them to their fullest extent, but we do. We were actually just towing my brother's Nissan with it the other day, and had the bed full of some spare parts for his car, not to mention the new tires that we had ordered for the Envoy. We'll be towing the Camaro and all of its various parts a few weeks from now as my brother takes it to school to patch a few pannels and repaint it, all while we tear-down the engine and take out the transmission and have them rebuilt at the local race shop.

...So, I guess your argument stands in some respects. However our Avalanche has worked out great, and most of the other Avalanche owners we know use it just as much as we do with ours. Hell, our friend with a Sierra is pretty close to trading his in for a new Avalanche, as he sees the capabilities are the same, and the greater sense of purpose put on the interior is a better idea for his growing family.
 
I will have to respect your point as well. It seems that you use the Avalanche as a hybrid SUV/truck. I would imagine that it works well for that. I was more trying to say that if you are using it for only one purpose (hauling things or hauling kids), the Avalanche is not the ideal vehicle. Basically, it fails at being a truck and it fails at being an SUV, but it excels at being a combination.

My biggest problem is the people who take their SUV to the grocery store in order to be in style(I know I may have missed the SUV point entirely, but I hope you get it). IMO, for going to the grocery store, an A6 is stylin'.
 
I know where you're coming from. There are more than enough douchebags at the local Meijer in their Escalades, XC90s, Expeditions, Durangos, etc that it will make your head spin. For light stuff like that, we usually take the Envoy...

...But even then, I've always been critical of that purchase. The step-Mom wanted something bigger and "safer" than her '03 Altima, so she bought an '03 Envoy. I don't think it is any better of a buy, but they wouldn't believe me. But I guess it has come in handy with the snow we've had this year, so whatever...

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...Maybe we should get this back on topic?

You do have to wonder what the chances would be for GM to do a crossover vehicle with the same drive system as the Volt post-2010. That, or a bigger version of the car to carry more crap...
 
You do have to wonder what the chances would be for GM to do a crossover vehicle with the same drive system as the Volt post-2010. That, or a bigger version of the car to carry more crap...

Fuel efficient? Big? SUV? You bet. It just might take awhile. And be a little slow.

Although the success of the Silverado Hybrid does make me wonder a bit....
 
The "true" Two-Mode hybrid versions of the Tahoe/Suburban and Escalade should be showing up pretty soon as well. Those would be the ones that are more Prius-like in operation than the old Silverado and the current VUE Green Line.

...I'm still not sold on the idea, but at least they are doing it. Chances are that if they sell well, I wouldn't put it past Toyota to do the same on their Tundra and the Sequoia.

I personally would want to see the Volt's mechanicals thrown beneath something like the VUE in the near-future. Overall economy would presumably drop a bit, but the larger size would allow the driver to carry a little more, and I think that would be a fairly even trade for a lot of people in the US, even if they can go "only" 35 miles on a full charge before having to activate the gasoline engine...
 
Definitly true. Chances are, a few years after launch, GM will be using this system on other cars. Soon enough, other companies will be using it too, especially if it does well. That is what happened to the hybrid, although the purely electric car trend died.

The biggest obstacle will probably be price at the beginning. It will probably take a few years for the system to lose its exclusivity and technical advancity(?), which would drive prices up. Once prices go down is when we will really see where this trend will go. 2013, maybe?
 

I was blinded after viewing that thing - did you post anything else?

B9 Tribeca is sold in Australia as well as the US - sorry Australians - don't get bitten.

The 2008 model is expected to feature a facelift with more conventional styling, as well as a larger 3.6 L engine that runs on regular gasoline. - Wikipedia
 
Oh, I'd love to see that. Link?

Here we go:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/11185573/detail.html

"He said he got off the freeway, passed through an intersection and was forced to crash into the side of a Shell gas station and mini-mart at South 84th Street and South Hosmer Street to stop the vehicle."

What if someone had been inside of the gas station?! Only a Prius driver would be so freaking stupid.
 
Yay, El Camino's for all!

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...And Lutz still says that they're thinking about doing a VE (Zeta) version in America...

SWEET!
 
Yay, El Camino's for all!

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...And Lutz still says that they're thinking about doing a VE (Zeta) version in America...

SWEET!

And I'm sure it would be called "El Camino." Sounds fun. How long has that car been running around down there? Maybe we will get a new version?
 
And I'm sure it would be called "El Camino." Sounds fun. How long has that car been running around down there? Maybe we will get a new version?

That paticular ute has been around since around 2000 with some small face lifts and is in the process of being replaced right now, the US will not get it. VE ute is on the way (that pic above is Omega based ute not Zeta).

Overall Holden has been making utes since the first full production Holden in 1948.
 
Why do all modern cars - particularly concept cars - really wish they were machinegun emplacements instead? What in the hell ever happened to actually wanting to see out of the car you're driving?

Pfft. Vision is over-rated.:rolleyes:
 
GM awarded batery production/development for the Volt today...

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GM Chairman Rick Wagoner announced that the company has awarded two advanced development contracts for battery systems to be used on the GM E-Flex platform. For those who have missed the news for the last six months, E-Flex is the electric propulsion system used in the Chevy Volt concept. GM is moving ahead with production engineering including building proper prototypes so they need real batteries.

Continental Automotive Systems and Compact Power Inc. will be supplying the integrated lithium ion battery systems to GM using cells from A123 Systems and LG Chem respectively. The press release is after the jump.

[Source: General Motors via AutoblogGreen]GM Awards Advanced Development Battery Contracts For Chevrolet Volt E-Flex System
Contracts Mark Important Step in Developing Range-Extender and Fuel Cell E-Flex Variants

WILMINGTON, Del. – General Motors has awarded two contracts for advanced development of lithium-ion batteries for its electric drive "E-Flex System," it was announced today at GM's annual shareholder meeting.

GM selected two companies out of the 13 technical proposals it considered to provide advanced lithium batteries for both range-extender electric and fuel cell variants of the E-Flex architecture. The E-Flex electric vehicle architecture underpins the Chevy Volt concept car shown earlier this year and is being developed as part of GM's strategy to diversify transportation away from petroleum.

One contract will go to lithium-ion battery supplier Compact Power, Inc., based in Troy, Mich. CPI is a subsidiary of Korean battery manufacturer LG Chem. A second contract has been awarded to Frankfurt, Germany-based Continental Automotive Systems, a division of Continental A.G., a tier one automotive supplier that will develop lithium-ion battery packs. GM continues to assess other solutions to quickly bring lithium-ion batteries to production.

"The signing of these battery development contracts is an important next step on the path to bring the Volt closer to reality," said GM Chairman and CEO, Rick Wagoner. "Given the huge potential that the Volt and its E-Flex system offers to lower oil consumption, lower oil imports, and reduce carbon emissions, this is a top priority program for GM."

The E-Flex System was first shown as the plug-in battery electric propulsion system for the Chevrolet Volt concept vehicle at the North American International Auto Show in January. A plug-in fuel cell variant of the E-Flex system was shown at the Shanghai Auto Show in April. The "E" stands for electric drive; the "Flex" represents the architecture's adaptability to be configured in several vehicle packages operating on various sources of electricity.

These suppliers demonstrated solutions that best met the specific energy, power, mass and durability requirements for the battery in the E-Flex range-extender variant. The battery for the fuel-cell variant requires half the energy and power, but must be integrated and connected to the vehicle in a similar way.

"This technology is developing rapidly," said Denise Gray, GM director of hybrid energy storage devices. "These contracts are an opportunity to deeply understand the differing battery technologies before making a production decision."

The signing of these advanced development battery contracts for the E-Flex system is the latest proof point in GM's effort to transform the industry by diversifying automotive transportation away from petroleum with a range of propulsion alternatives. These include:

A diverse lineup of hybrid models now in production, including:

* The GM diesel hybrid electric system for large city buses
* The Saturn Vue and Saturn Aura Green Line hybrid models
* Coming this fall, models of the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon SUVs that feature the world's first use of the 2-Mode hybrid system, providing a more than 25-percent improvement in fuel economy to what is already the industry's most fuel-efficient full-size SUVs.
* Due next year is a front-wheel-drive 2-Mode hybrid Saturn Vue Green Line, with plans to make a plug-in version of the Vue that has the potential to achieve double the fuel efficiency of any current GM SUV.

In May, GM completed the longest fuel cell-vehicle demonstration drive in history with the 300-mile drive of the Chevrolet Sequel. It is also a leading producer of E-85 capable bio-fuel vehicles, with more than two million on the road. Additionally, GM provides more vehicles that achieve 30 mpg highway than any other manufacturer in the U.S. market. GM is also the first automotive member to join the U.S. Climate Action Partnership (USCAP), a group of global companies and non-governmental organizations formed to support an economy-wide, market-driven approach to reducing carbon emissions.

We're inching ever-closer to Volt production, and this is something that I'm slowly becoming more and more excited about. I'm positive that I'd never buy one, but I'm sure there are MILLIONS of Americans who would.

...With the next-gen plug-in Prius on hiatus again, GM needs to make sure they can get this right, and beat Toyota to the punch.
 
well, I'm not really that excited, then again, I really don't have to buy one.

I like the idea of G.M. beating Toyota to the punch...but I would like the electric car to go back to the 1900s where it belongs.

On the other hand, by producing this car, G.M. make room in the lineup for more "Fun" cars...

Aw, hell, bring on the Volt! If nothing else, I can install some hot little gas-burner...
 
Hmm, couldn't get this out of my head when I heard about this...
 
The more I think about it, the more I worry that GM is going to do the sme thing that they did with the EV-1: Develop, refine, produce and sell a new idea; and then intentionally hold it back for the sake of doing so.
 
GM awarded batery production/development for the Volt today...



We're inching ever-closer to Volt production, and this is something that I'm slowly becoming more and more excited about. I'm positive that I'd never buy one, but I'm sure there are MILLIONS of Americans who would.

I don't know about millions buying it. The trend for sports cars is still on the rise and SUVs haven't really left yet, so small cars really aren't seen as an "acceptable" alternative. Whenever a car company has such a duality of image as GM will, the economy car always suffers, if not fails outright. GM has to do something to make this car appealing beyond it's enviromental friendliness. I know what that factor is (and it's incredibly obvious), but quite frankly I think GM should figure it out for themselves.

YSSMAN
...With the next-gen plug-in Prius on hiatus again, GM needs to make sure they can get this right, and beat Toyota to the punch.

That would indeed be good for GM, and it would serve Toyota right. That Prius is so far from being green it's ridiculous, but I wouldn't be surprised if GM's battery plant is just as bad if not worse.
 
The more I think about it, the more I worry that GM is going to do the sme thing that they did with the EV-1: Develop, refine, produce and sell a new idea; and then intentionally hold it back for the sake of doing so.

Why are we still discussing electricity when we could be discussing sweet gasoline?

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I eat electric vehicles.

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I was going to say something involving the Pontiac Aztek or that one commercial where the Trans Am ate that other car at the stoplight, but the edit reason put me at a loss for words.
So I intead leave you with this involving niether:
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Ram Air adds +10 BHP.
 
I was going to say something involving the Pontiac Aztek or that one commercial where the Trans Am ate that other car at the stoplight, but the edit reason put me at a loss for words.


:lol:

PS - I liked the Ram Air Grand Am!
 
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PS - I liked the Ram Air Grand Am!
So did I, but I also liked the Ferrari 412, Aston Martin Lagonda and Geo Tracker; so I am not in a position to dictate taste.
 
So did I, but I also liked the Ferrari 412, Aston Martin Lagonda and Geo Tracker; so I am not in a position to dictate taste.

You liked the Geo Tracker? Why?
 
CRITICAL UPDATE! (ha!)

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Earlier this morning, General Motors Vice Chairman Bob Lutz told members of the media that the Chevrolet Volt concept car could be ready for testing as early as next Spring, well faster than had been expected. General Motors is looking to speed up development of the batteries for plug-in hybrid vehicles, especially now that GM has announced its battery-producing partner.

Lutz, according to The Detroit News, is hoping to have development of the batteries at an advanced stage by this fall and to have test vehicles on the road by Spring.

Thats very impressive, particularly for GM. It looks more and more as though they are deeply committed to beating Toyota to the punch here. Toyota announced the other day that their plug-in Prius won't be ready until 2011, and if GM is this close, well thats just astounding. I do have to wonder what platform this is riding on (I assume Delta II), furthermore which engine the test vehicle will be using (diesel anyone? Probably E85...).
 
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