Clark synthesis international shipping

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Hi anyone know of any distributors that will ship a Clark synthesis tst429 to Hong Kong?! I tried contacting there website regarding international shipping but didnt get a reply back.
 
Parts Express will ship worldwide no problems.
Costly unit to buy so I would offer some advice...

The 429 is a good unit for detailed tactile and not that hard to drive.
It can produce approx 3-4x the low end depth of the T209/Silver models.
Excellent with music as well.

If you want the best effect for a cockpit...
Buttkicker LFE (the BIG one not mini LFE) will produce much harder/lower wallop in the real sub-harmonic ranges but it does so with less detail and control. Additionally it does require much heftier/costly amplification (800w +) is recommended.

I reached a point of mixing both models via Dynamic EQ with individual settings to give a greater performance. Basically offering the real low end grunt of the LFE but the detailed effects of the 429.

If you like this idea consider the LFE with a TST239 model as an option to the 429 on its own. By all means check out the Behringer inuke DSP amplifers. They are the best I found for tactile and with USB connection superb for adjustments/tweaking.

Hope it is some help...
 
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Parts Express will ship worldwide no problems.
Costly unit to buy so I would offer some advice...

The 429 is a good unit for detailed tactile and not that hard to drive.
It can produce approx 3-4x the low end depth of the T209/Silver models.
Excellent with music as well.

If you want the best effect for a cockpit...
Buttkicker LFE (the BIG one not mini LFE) will produce much harder/lower wallop in the real sub-harmonic ranges but it does so with less detail and control. Additionally it does require much heftier/costly amplification (800w +) is recommended.

I reached a point of mixing both models via Dynamic EQ with individual settings to give a greater performance. Basically offering the real low end grunt of the LFE but the detailed effects of the 429.

If you like this idea consider the LFE with a TST239 model as an option to the 429 on its own. By all means check out the Behringer inuke DSP amplifers. They are the best I found for tactile and with USB connection superb for adjustments/tweaking.

Hope it is some help...

I agree with you, Latte. However, I think the mini LFE is more preferable for Simvibe chassis use. A big LFE is something I would put under my sear for impact effects and maybe aid in the lower vibrations that you'd normally feel through the chassis of the car.

I agree with the rest though. Behringer iNuke amps with DSP are the best bang for the buck, with low power consumption (to avoid flashing lights in the room). The DSP really does add a lot of customization per speaker channel, which I love. I haven't found anything better and would recommend them in a heartbeat.
Besides, cheap and underpowered amps just cause clipping anyway. Which can easily cost you your expensive speakers. Hence I'd never get a Buttkicker amp after having used one initially for my Gamer 2. Driving that Gamer 2 via the iNuke 1000DSP made it come to life.
 
I wouldn't say the Mini is more suited as such. It just depends on the quality and depth of tactile you may want to achieve. A Larger unit can also transfer it's effects more convincingly over a larger area if this is a requirement. In truth though the more budget units cannot produce effects that the better ones can.

The OP was asking about the 429 which in quality/performance/price terms is quite a step up from the Mini LFE models so I just wanted to put forward an option for him to consider as really I think it is a bit overpriced for what they offer.

I would say their isn't a perfect model that satisfied me completely on it's own and a single unit trying to cover a wide frequency range can bring performance limiting issues. What can often happen is you end up focusing on low end whack or restricting low end for more detail/range. I always felt there was a compromise with one unit on a single channel.

In this respect I would say Clark models work better compared to Buttkicker but the LFE is still champion (with the right amplification) for substantial low end. Then again the detail of the Clark models for me was my preference. So pairing them seemed to cover both advantages but even then for me it wasn't enough.

Including sub-woofers for enhanced audio bass perception no doubt further increases the tactile sensations and whole realisim. The end result is not just a wee vibration effect you feel but a tactile experience something which really consumes your surroundings and body within it. To me that's coming close to a real cockpit experience but in reality no single tactile unit I have tried fully achieves.

So really yeah it depends how far you want to experiment and take it.
Still got lots to learn and experience myself yet too.
 
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I wouldn't say the Mini is more suited as such. It just depends on the quality and depth of tactile you may want to achieve. A Larger unit can also transfer it's effects more convincingly over a larger area if this is a requirement. In truth though the more budget units cannot produce effects that the better ones can.

The OP was asking about the 429 which in quality/performance/price terms is quite a step up from the Mini LFE models so I just wanted to put forward an option for him to consider as really I think it is a bit overpriced for what they offer.

I would say their isn't a perfect model that satisfied me completely on it's own and a single unit trying to cover a wide frequency range can bring performance limiting issues. What can often happen is you end up focusing on low end whack or restricting low end for more detail/range. I always felt there was a compromise with one unit on a single channel.

In this respect I would say Clark models work better compared to Buttkicker but the LFE is still champion (with the right amplification) for substantial low end. Then again the detail of the Clark models for me was my preference. So pairing them seemed to cover both advantages but even then for me it wasn't enough.

Including sub-woofers for enhanced audio bass perception no doubt further increases the tactile sensations and whole realisim. The end result is not just a wee vibration effect you feel but a tactile experience something which really consumes your surroundings and body within it. To me that's coming close to a real cockpit experience but in reality no single tactile unit I have tried fully achieves.

So really yeah it depends how far you want to experiment and take it.
Still got lots to learn and experience myself yet too.

I can't really judge the clarks as I have never tried them. Henk also didn't have any on his rig that I could enjoy.
I will have to revisit your thread again over at Simology of your impressions of all those units you tried from Clark.

One thing though that I always disliked about using subs in a rig. It will simply hinder the headphone experience. Which I personally always end up using while gaming. So I will eventually have to make up for that somehow via tactile.

If only all speaker companies would publish their frequency response curves. Which is far more important than watts and ohms. After all it tells you about the flavor of the speaker. Is it flat, bassy, without mids, weak on the highs... and so on.

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Sorry OP, I ended up hijacking your topic. But I would go with partsexpress too as per Latte his suggestion
 
Wow, great info... Thanks for the heads up. Just emailed parts express about there shipping!

I'm gonna take a look into the behringer amp here in Hong Kong... My studio is currently running a behringer europower ep4000.. So will talk to our supplier about that. Are u running the 1000w inuke?!?

Btw, Does the butt kicker lfe bottom out much?!? I find I'm getting a lot of bottoming out on gamer 2's, is anyone else having this experience?!?
 
Including sub-woofers for enhanced audio bass perception no doubt further increases the tactile sensations and whole realisim. The end result is not just a wee vibration effect you feel but a tactile experience something which really consumes your surroundings and body within it. To me that's coming close to a real cockpit experience but in reality no single tactile unit I have tried fully achieves.

So really yeah it depends how far you want to experiment and take it.
Still got lots to learn and experience myself yet too.

In this thread they compare the Clark and Buttkicker LFE for home theater usage. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1438696/a...k-synthesis-tst209-vs-aura-bass-shaker-pro/30

After reading that thread I decided to just buy two Fi IB318 drivers and an inuke 3000dsp and it has great tactile. 👍

Keep in mind the Behringer units are advertising peak watts. Continuous is usually about half.
 
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Wow, great info... Thanks for the heads up. Just emailed parts express about there shipping!

I'm gonna take a look into the behringer amp here in Hong Kong... My studio is currently running a behringer europower ep4000.. So will talk to our supplier about that. Are u running the 1000w inuke?!?

Btw, Does the butt kicker lfe bottom out much?!? I find I'm getting a lot of bottoming out on gamer 2's, is anyone else having this experience?!?

Your welcome...
I had a EP4000, pretty solid amp. Sold it and purchased inuke 1000/3000/6000 dsp models earlier this year for testing my tactile interests. For the Clark 329/429 models the 3000 would be better than the 1000 model. Well I would rather have more amplification on tap than run at max ranges. The 1000 will do the job however my 3000 is only at about 35-40% capacity with the 429.

For the LFE I run the 6000 from just over half way to 3/4. It can bottom with really high dynamic effects beyond the 3/4 point. This can be addressed with the EQ and various filters. The Gamer/Mini LFE will bottom easier than the LFE but various factors are involved, you could have a perfect calibration and combination of settings only to find a certain effect/song etc from a particular source still causes bottoming. Reducing the volume will help a great deal as will limiting the range the piston has to travel. Inuke dsp is your friend however.

The dsp is just perfect for tactile configuring on these models and because it offers parametric equalisers you can set your own individual frequencies to adjust and whatever set frequency range you want that unit to use. This is a major benefit over normal amps.

For example I had the LFE running from sub 20Hz upto 45Hz to have it handle only the low effects (what it does best). A lot of detailed tactile effects are in the 45-85Hz range (approx). For me personally beyond this the effects I find can be felt but are quite limited/weak. I think I had the 429 from 25Hz - 95Hz with some boost on certain frequencies to boost the detail. It offers good punch put not like the LFE at much higher wattage.

The beauty with these dsp models is you can easily set a freq range to test between and feel exactly what the tactile is doing in those ranges you choose. Then you can determine how you want to boost or filter those Hz in that range. The icing on the cake is being able to save presets to your pc and connect via USB.

The 429 is good but honestly I would say a stereo amp with a 239 or 329 and a LFE combined using an inuke dsp will give you a higher performance at similar price point worth considering.

Anyways good luck with your purchases...
 
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Wow, great info... Thanks for the heads up. Just emailed parts express about there shipping!

I'm gonna take a look into the behringer amp here in Hong Kong... My studio is currently running a behringer europower ep4000.. So will talk to our supplier about that. Are u running the 1000w inuke?!?

Btw, Does the butt kicker lfe bottom out much?!? I find I'm getting a lot of bottoming out on gamer 2's, is anyone else having this experience?!?

I use the iNuke 1000DSP to drive a mini LFE and the Gamer 2. Without bottoming out.
Channel A runs the mini LFE at 2 ohm impedance, while Channel B runs the Gamer 2 at 4 ohm impedance.

Channel A is driven by the front left/right channels of Simvibe Chassis mode, while Channel B is driven by the rear left/right channels of Simvibe Chassis mode.
So one speaker is for the front under the pedal plate, the other for the rear effects (and is on the rSeat Gamer 2 mount). Will probably expand in the future.

I than use the delay (which is part of the DSP, and thus only on the iNuke DSP amps) to set the offset or distance of the speaker to the axle. If i had 4 speakers it would be to their respective tyre locations if my rig was mounted in a real car.
So on Channel A I have a delay of 0.75 meters, 2.46 feet or 2.19 miliseconds.
On Channel B I have a delay of 1.95 meters, 6.40 feet or 5.69 miliseconds.

Why do I use delay?
Simple, sound as well as vibrations travel. This travel takes time. The longer the distance, the longer it takes for a vibration to reach me in my driver's position.
Now as simvibe tends to fire the effects immediately once the car's suspension picks up a bump, it does not mean that the sound traveling through the rig takes the correct time to reach you.
In fact it's too short, as most often your tactile speaker sits closer to you on your rig than ever your wheels would in your real car.
So when the time to travel is short (or the vibrations reach you too quickly) you get the feeling you're in a small car like a Peel P50. While you maybe drive a big Cadillac in iRacing.
So by increasing the delay, I further away the speakers virtually from their respective mounting position on my rig. Increasing the delay between what's happening on my screen and what's reaching my butt in the end.
I really get a sense of driving something substantial with this and would urge anyway to at least try to fool around with it.

By the way, you'd need a iNuke 6000DSP for the big LFE though. Anything smaller is not powerful enough to drive the LFE properly.


The reason the Gamer 2 bottoms out (and any other speaker) is because the amp starts to clip. Which means the amp is too weak to drive the speaker.

The Buttkicker Gamer 2 kit is basically useless. The tactile speaker is great, but the amp is not up to the task of driving it. The maximum wattage of the amp is around the minimum wattage of the tactile speaker.
This means that as soon as the speaker starts to move, the amp already starts to clip. Causing the speaker to bottom out.

Here is a video about clipping:


So if you get an iNuke 1000DSP for that Gamer 2 of yours, you're good. ;)
Besides, you can fool around with the DSP. And honestly, the vibrations seemed much smoother and less harsh, and mainly more correct with the iNuke. It's really a great quality amp.
 
The delay is not something I played much with yet but just another example of the benefits with the dsp inuke series.

I should of stated earlier depending on the usage or installation if it is not possible to install both a Clark/LFE then really I would say to you to decide between more detail over more low end in comparing the LFE - T429. The LFE needs indeed the higher amplification and it's costs yet the cost of the T429 is much greater than the LFE. So it probably balances out similar.

Carson experienced some early testing with mine a few months back and I let him feel A/B/C below:
The ceiling tiles in my shop and a mirror on a wall can shake slightly over 10FT away with this very low depth and power of tactile combination.

A) T429 on its own
B) LFE on its own
C) Dual 300w 12" Pioneer subwoofers on their own.

Then a mixture of combinations to finally feeling A/B/C together and this test just done via the LFE channel. Hes welcome to say what he liked/disliked if he pops in and has a good experience of tactile too.
 
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I got into tactile a little over a year ago with the help of Mr Latte.
Along the way I've made many upgrades to the tactile and surround sound set up.
After my last visit with Latte I made more by getting
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00777ZLOY/?tag=gtplanetuk-20
This was due to trying the set up latte has tested and is planning.
The two tactile units work great on their own and as latte said offer different results with the LFE giving the monster thump and the clark being more detailed. So with the both combined you have the best of both! Then add in the sub-woofer and the effects are amazing.
The Amplifier is an awesome piece of kit too and if i could I'd switch over to these in a heart beat.
My advice is get the amps. I don't think you'd be disappointed with either tactile unit, they are both very powerful.
 
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