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CLASSIC RACING Sundays 17:00-19:00 GMT: "Ford Ferrari Wars" LEX CHAMP by 1 Point!Finished
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- IfAndOr
Yes that's my problem. If I have my headset disconnected. All the audio comes through my speakers at the same level, and like you say it can be a blur of noise. If I have my head set connected there is a separate channel for in game speech, so it can be turned up or down. It's much better (Sick still a bit quiet).
If you haven't got a headset it's certainly worth investing in one for online use (even a cheap one) just for this feature alone. You haven't nessaraly got to use the microphone - but that can be useful as well.
So, I learned a few things this morning that you probably already know:
1: Tuning prohibited rooms allow adjustments to brake balance (which my P4 needs);
2: The XJ13 is both easier to drive, and faster, than the P4 at Daytona Road (at least in my hands);
3: Both are about 14 seconds faster than my Renault, and my Renault is much faster than my Mini and my Caterham.
I hope I find time for tuning cars this week, because I'm showing up on Sunday even if there are no slots available!
1: Tuning prohibited rooms allow adjustments to brake balance (which my P4 needs);
2: The XJ13 is both easier to drive, and faster, than the P4 at Daytona Road (at least in my hands);
3: Both are about 14 seconds faster than my Renault, and my Renault is much faster than my Mini and my Caterham.
I hope I find time for tuning cars this week, because I'm showing up on Sunday even if there are no slots available!
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We might have to convert you into a Regular Driver with a guaranteed slot - if you think you can attend most meetings from now on let me know.
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - Changes to Category 2
After doing further testing on the Category 1 and Category 2 cars I have decided to exclude the Art Morrison Corvette It is the only car with a 6 speed gearbox and on the standard settings that we are using it simply has too great a straight line speed advantage over the other cars in both categories.
Category 2 Choices will now be:
Daytona Coupe + Corvette C2 Race Car + Shelby Cobra 427
The Chromeline Cobra will be an alternative car which can be used in place of either the Daytona Coupe or the Corvette C2 race car. e.g. the other two possible Category 2 car choices are:
Chromeline Cobra + Corvette C2 Race Car + Shelby Cobra 427 OR
Daytona Coupe + Chromeline Cobra + Shelby Cobra 427
In view of the increase in the number of Cobras an additional colour choice of white or white with blue stripes is added to the existing blue option. Colour details will be added later.
There is no change to the Category 1 car choices or colours.
I apologise for any inconvenience caused by the late notification of these changes, but I think they are essential for the quality of the racing.
The order in which people will use their cars has already been issued for Historic BSCC and will be issued tomorrow for "Ford Ferrari Wars".
Cobra Chromeline options for Category 2 are the same as for 1 and 3 above. If you have already painted your Cobra blue please keep it blue. If you are switching from an Art Morrison Corvette to a Cobra please paint it white or select white with blue stripes - this should ensure an even mix on the grid.
Please note - Bumpers (fenders) are shown in the above photo because the Cobras cannot be used in a tuning prohibited room with them removed.
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - Changes to Category 2
After doing further testing on the Category 1 and Category 2 cars I have decided to exclude the Art Morrison Corvette It is the only car with a 6 speed gearbox and on the standard settings that we are using it simply has too great a straight line speed advantage over the other cars in both categories.
Category 2 Choices will now be:
Daytona Coupe + Corvette C2 Race Car + Shelby Cobra 427
The Chromeline Cobra will be an alternative car which can be used in place of either the Daytona Coupe or the Corvette C2 race car. e.g. the other two possible Category 2 car choices are:
Chromeline Cobra + Corvette C2 Race Car + Shelby Cobra 427 OR
Daytona Coupe + Chromeline Cobra + Shelby Cobra 427
In view of the increase in the number of Cobras an additional colour choice of white or white with blue stripes is added to the existing blue option. Colour details will be added later.
There is no change to the Category 1 car choices or colours.
I apologise for any inconvenience caused by the late notification of these changes, but I think they are essential for the quality of the racing.
The order in which people will use their cars has already been issued for Historic BSCC and will be issued tomorrow for "Ford Ferrari Wars".
Cobra Chromeline options for Category 2 are the same as for 1 and 3 above. If you have already painted your Cobra blue please keep it blue. If you are switching from an Art Morrison Corvette to a Cobra please paint it white or select white with blue stripes - this should ensure an even mix on the grid.
Please note - Bumpers (fenders) are shown in the above photo because the Cobras cannot be used in a tuning prohibited room with them removed.
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My sets a Turtle Beach PLA. It's one of their more basic range - they do have some very expensive ones! They are wired units which I find the best for fidelity. Many have wireless ones which of course means you don't have the trailing wire problem. But they have to be charged up and I find there are occasional drop outs, especially from the mics. And it is said they can interrupt the wifi signal - if you use it that is.
I do have a small (over one ear) wireless bluetooth unit that I occasionally use, but I swapped to the wired set because I usually forgot to charge it up before it was needed. The battery only lasts for about 1 to 2 hours.
The PLA's have separate voice and music/sound volume controls. There is also a mic on/off switch. I expect many have these features and more. They are a bit plasticy (although this makes them light), but just for basic GT6 gaming I find them just the job.
Have a look around - you don't have to spend big money. Unless you want full 7.1 surround sound with all the gadgets.
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I have a Geotek EX03 blue tooth earpiece (I know Maximusmonster and quite a lot of guys who have raced with us have the same model). The battery lasts about 2.5 hours - I don't switch it on until the meeting actually starts to prevent draining the battery. I don't like the wired sort as you can get tangled up - I also have to operate a clipboard, pen and reading glasses for admin during the race meetings!
I have found that without a headset / earpiece it is impossible to understand any speech through my surround sound system - I have that running quietly and the earpiece lets me know what people are saying into my right ear. It cost about £10 (15$) and has lasted over 3 years so far.
I have read many reviews and it appears that all the wired sets fail relatively quickly regardless of how expensive they are. So my advice would be either get a blue tooth ear piece or a fairly cheap model like IfAndOr's because the extra cost of the expensive models doesn't translate into extra longevity.
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Ah yes. I had a look and my bluetooth one is a Giotek EX01. A slightly different model to Sick's - it's got an ear pad instead of the ear bud.
I should point out that the main difference here is my set are complete headphones compared to the over one ear type. Game audio and speech are fed through to them on separate channels. When using them hopefully no one can hear my GT6 engine sounds. I just unplug them when not online racing.
Note - I've had them for about two years without trouble. $32.13 @ Amazon
I can fully understand Sicks problem with using a wired one, the cables can be a nuisance. Wireless is certainly neater and I use it on other gadgets wherever I can.
But in my wired headset corner there is..
I should point out that the main difference here is my set are complete headphones compared to the over one ear type. Game audio and speech are fed through to them on separate channels. When using them hopefully no one can hear my GT6 engine sounds. I just unplug them when not online racing.
Note - I've had them for about two years without trouble.
$32.13 @ Amazon Completely agree. If there was some sort of balance option that would help.
I can fully understand Sicks problem with using a wired one, the cables can be a nuisance. Wireless is certainly neater and I use it on other gadgets wherever I can.
But in my wired headset corner there is..
Which is why someones voice sometimes cuts out mid sentence. But there's certainly good and bad points for both types.
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Hi Rehdogg - Number 4 has been taken by Danielsspel - would you mind being number 15?
IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR ALL RACERS
We have had some requests to add teams so BSCC will contain an individual championship and a team championship. There will be three teams - people who start with the Renault 8 will be in team McGovern (named after Bill McGovern, 3 time BSCC Champ and Hillman/Sunbeam Imp driver), people who start with the Buick will be in team Sears (named after 2 time BSCC champ and Ford Galaxie driver Jack Sears). People who start with the Mini will be in team Whitmore (named after BSCC champ with the Mini, Sir John Whitmore).
Team points will be scored by the equal minimum number of drivers present - e.g. if one team only has three drivers present all three teams will only score points for their first three drivers. If the lowest number of drivers in a team is five then team points will be scored by five drivers in each team.
Drivers shown in black are currently regular drivers. Drivers shown in red are currently reserve drivers.
As indicated in a previous post the Art Morrison Corvette option has been withdrawn - this was essential as further testing showed a huge straight line speed advantage over all the other cars (limiter still not hit at 232mph suggests an error in aero modelling by PD!). The sheet of car information has therefore been amended as follows:
The following sheet shows the Ford Ferrari Wars car choices - if I have made any errors with recording your choices or you want to change your cars before the next meeting please let me know as soon as possible. This Sundays races will be held at Daytona Road and will be 5 minutes shorter than normal to allow additional time for car checking - full length races will be held on 21st September. NB Daytona Road was selected to start the season as it was the circuit at which the Cobra Coupe recorded its first historic victory leading to it being named the Daytona Coupe.
Please note that only the Jaguar XJ13, Shelby Cobra 427 and Cobra Chromeline feature changeable race numbers.
For the most authentic look the numbers should be as follows:
Jaguar XJ13 - Type A Font A
Category 2 Shelby Cobra 427 and Chromeline Cobra - Type B Font A
Category 1 Shelby Cobra 427 and Chromeline Cobra - Type C Font A
Finally - Good Luck in this new season to all racers!
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If I'm reading this correctly, these are our car choices but there seems to be no information about which cars we'll start the series with, and the order or rotation after the first five races. Or am I incredibly dense? In other words, which Cat. 1 car should I learn to drive tonight?
Also, thank you very much, Sick, for all the hard work you put into this!
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The table headed Ford Ferrari Wars has four columns - find your name in the first column - column 2 gives your starting car, column 3 gives your first change and column 4 gives your final car.
The table headed Historic BSCC shows your start cars for that championship - blue column is headed Renault 8 Gordini Team McGovern so that is a list of people who start with the Renault. The other two columns in that table follow the same logic.
Jbaffoh is shown as Ford Mark 4 / Jaguar XJ13 / Ferrari 330 P4 and in Historic BSCC starting with Renault.
Bergele is shown as Ford Mark 4 / Chaparral 2 D / Daytona Coupe and in Historic BSCC starting with Renault.
Ok, thanks.
And DAMN! I dropped 2.8 seconds per lap at Daytona Road in my P4, but haven't completed one in my Mk IV yet.
Oh well, I'm sure I'll do sub-3-minute laps by Sunday
Ok, this week the races are five minutes shorter. In the Cat. 1 prototypes, the leader will do 11-12 laps in 20 minutes--not including pit stops. How many laps?--and will pits be required?
I hereby declare the winner: The P4 is 4-5 seconds faster than the MK IV at Daytona. The XJ-13 is about a second faster than the P4.
The MK IV is crap.
Edit: Unless we can tune out the asinine stock camber and toe settings from PD, there is no way the Mk IV can compete with the XJ-13 or P4. The closest I can get is about 3 seconds--and that takes perfect driving and a ton of luck.
Disillusioned.
The MK IV is crap.
Edit: Unless we can tune out the asinine stock camber and toe settings from PD, there is no way the Mk IV can compete with the XJ-13 or P4. The closest I can get is about 3 seconds--and that takes perfect driving and a ton of luck.
Disillusioned.
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You need to try the category 2 Corvette C2 race car. Untuned, its handling is on a knife edge! One minute you think you're in control of the beast, the next you're pointing the wrong way watching the traffic going by. Stay clear of it when you see it on track.
Edit: To even up the cars/groups Sick has asked me the move into category 1. Using the Cobra, Cobra coupé and the 2D. Not quite so competitive, but cheaper.
So I won't get to drive the C2 race car. What a pity.
(Sorry Flaco)
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Have you watched the replays from our test session last sunday??? Because regarding the C2 RC I just don´t know what you are talking about, it handles like on rails! 
I´m sure Pimki would agree with me
Anyway, really it´s just too bad you will miss the pleasure that is ´63 Corvette Race Car.
edit: I have just seen I will start with the Cobra Coupe. If PD would let us alter wheel width i would take 1/3 away from the Coupe´s rear and put about the same amount on the C2´s, the first has too fat rear tire and the other´s too tiny.
I´m sure Pimki would agree with me
Anyway, really it´s just too bad you will miss the pleasure that is ´63 Corvette Race Car.
edit: I have just seen I will start with the Cobra Coupe. If PD would let us alter wheel width i would take 1/3 away from the Coupe´s rear and put about the same amount on the C2´s, the first has too fat rear tire and the other´s too tiny.
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Yes - the C2 Racer is a beast of a car - it is recommended that chassis reinforcement be fitted to this car. It is very satisfying to drive when you get into a rhythm with the car - you are literally dancing on the pedals - constantly on and off the brakes and throttle, often both at once on corner entry in an effort to control the car - it has both lift off oversteer and power on oversteer and requires a very delicate touch! I even saw the great BTHPimiki54 spin his at Tsukuba!
I have started the process of tidying up and simplifying this thread. The first post now contains the track list and driver list with their Ford Ferrari cars.
Rehdogg - Number 86 is ok!
I have started the process of tidying up and simplifying this thread. The first post now contains the track list and driver list with their Ford Ferrari cars.
Rehdogg - Number 86 is ok!
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One Reserve Driver slot available for Sunday 14th September!
We now have 16 Regular Drivers - Harsk is absent (due to PS3 problems) and I am not aware of any other absences therefore we have a space for 1 Reserve Driver for Sunday. The space will go to the first to contact me.
If any Regular Drivers expect to be absent on Sunday please let me know as soon as possible so that your slot can be offered to another Reserve Driver.
Category 1 and 2 Cars Clarification
I have amended the second post of this thread, but to clarify:
The Category 1 cars are the:
Ford Mark 4
Jaguar XJ13
Ferrari 330 P4
Chaparral 2D
For those Drivers who are short of credits these alternative cars can be used:
Cobra Daytona Coupe - painted Mountain Green
Chromeline Cobra - painted Mountain Green
The Category 2 cars are the:
Shelby Cobra 427 - Painted original white with blue stripes or Cirrus White or Metropolis Blue
Chevrolet Corvette C2 Race Car
Cobra Daytona Coupe - painted original blue
The Corvette C2 Race Car is very fast, but difficult to drive. The Cobra Daytona Coupe is expensive 4.5m credits. Either of these cars can be swapped with a Chromeline Cobra which has the same top speed, but produces a slower lap time. Unless Drivers fall into the "Expert" Category (such as Flaco, Pimiki, Kisko and Harsk) they are advised that they may be faster (due to less accidents) if they swap their C2 Corvette race Car with a Chromeline Cobra.
I will allow people to swap from the C2 Corvette to a Chromeline Cobra after the race meeting on Sunday 14th September if they wish.
Not everyone was able to attend the test day on 7th September, therefore I am expecting a small amount of confusion regarding cars - if so it may be necessary to shorten the races by 5 minutes. If we are able to get started on time and encounter no problems we will run the race programme according to the original programme.
Good luck everyone and if you are a Reserve Driver who wants that vacant slot on the grid contact me as soon as possible. The second person to contact will get the next vacant slot if one arises.
We now have 16 Regular Drivers - Harsk is absent (due to PS3 problems) and I am not aware of any other absences therefore we have a space for 1 Reserve Driver for Sunday. The space will go to the first to contact me.
If any Regular Drivers expect to be absent on Sunday please let me know as soon as possible so that your slot can be offered to another Reserve Driver.
Category 1 and 2 Cars Clarification
I have amended the second post of this thread, but to clarify:
The Category 1 cars are the:
Ford Mark 4
Jaguar XJ13
Ferrari 330 P4
Chaparral 2D
For those Drivers who are short of credits these alternative cars can be used:
Cobra Daytona Coupe - painted Mountain Green
Chromeline Cobra - painted Mountain Green
The Category 2 cars are the:
Shelby Cobra 427 - Painted original white with blue stripes or Cirrus White or Metropolis Blue
Chevrolet Corvette C2 Race Car
Cobra Daytona Coupe - painted original blue
The Corvette C2 Race Car is very fast, but difficult to drive. The Cobra Daytona Coupe is expensive 4.5m credits. Either of these cars can be swapped with a Chromeline Cobra which has the same top speed, but produces a slower lap time. Unless Drivers fall into the "Expert" Category (such as Flaco, Pimiki, Kisko and Harsk) they are advised that they may be faster (due to less accidents) if they swap their C2 Corvette race Car with a Chromeline Cobra.
I will allow people to swap from the C2 Corvette to a Chromeline Cobra after the race meeting on Sunday 14th September if they wish.
Not everyone was able to attend the test day on 7th September, therefore I am expecting a small amount of confusion regarding cars - if so it may be necessary to shorten the races by 5 minutes. If we are able to get started on time and encounter no problems we will run the race programme according to the original programme.
Good luck everyone and if you are a Reserve Driver who wants that vacant slot on the grid contact me as soon as possible. The second person to contact will get the next vacant slot if one arises.
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