Cobalt wins time attack?
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The only reason anyone really cares about the Ion is because of the Redline (which, your right, is also a good car), because, whilst the Ion/Cobalt is a far cry from the Reagan era Cavalier Sunfire, a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla are still far better cars (but the Cobalt is a far better car than the base Neon). The VUE is only cared about because it has a Honda engine, as the un-Honda-V6 Chevy Equinox is, in all honesty, a better car otherwise (and the VUE doesn't even look very good anymore). So, out of 6 cars, 2 good ones and one maybe. In 17 years.
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A: I don't see how the Saturn Ion quad coupe..
is worse of a car than the ugly "CiviC(reverse c)"..
That car is attrocious by ANY persons standards...
B: The Vue looks nicer than an oddessey and element..
C: The Ion Sedan is much nicer than a new civic LX which looks like a retarded TSX
So if you want to consider the 4 door coupe and 4 door sedan 2 diff cars...
That's 6 cars..which means 4 of the 4 cars are good cars...one of the remaining 2 is still not official..and the other 1 is an ugly SUV
and just because you consider the Civic si/camry XRS to be a better car than the 220HP ion redline..doesn't mean the ion is a bad car.
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A: In all actuallity, I find both the Civic and the Ion to be very ugly cars.Driftster
B: That is true, but it is not saying much. Besides, the VUE doesn't compete with either of them (maybe the Element. I can't remember how big they are).
C: I doubt that very, very highly. I said nothing about what it looks like towards the Ion. As I've said, I hate them both in styling. I was talking quality. I'd rather be in a very good ugly car than a decent ugly car.
And I never said anything about the Civic Si/Camry XRS. I was talking base models, witch make up most of the sales anyways. I know the Ion Redline is a better car for it's purpose than either the XRS or Si combined. But I also know that the base Civic/Corolla are far better cars than the Ion/Cobalt.
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Yup it shares the Epsilon plateform with the Saab 93, Caddy BLS, Pontiac G6, Malibu, Malibu Maxx, and the Opel Vectra.
But for Saturn the only product they have in there line up that sucks royally is the Relay which is utter crap. The designers of GM's sport vans should be shot in the face.
The Ion is a good car, I really like them, I wouldn't go as far to call it better then the Civic, but its a good car.
The Vue looks funny now, the 1st gen kicked ass though. They were fast as hell.
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There are countless of competitions in eruope that american cars dont run in. For example there is a competition in which BMW M3's go against skylines 911's ferraris etc.
Also theres british GT n which I think the saleen runs in but always finishs about 3rd and 4th.
To say chevy are the most winningest team is completely off the mark.
Also theres british GT n which I think the saleen runs in but always finishs about 3rd and 4th.
To say chevy are the most winningest team is completely off the mark.
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Road&Track East Meets West--RSX Vs. Cobalt SS
Anything else you would like to clear up guys? Blazin? GM Mechanics? I'm retarded? I don't know what i'm talking about? 1300$? they said 1500$--Blazin. Or, do they not know what they're talking about? do you know better than people who test-drove the car? I own that issue--September 2005 so yeah.....I also own a May 2005 Issue of Motor Trend with a comparo of the Neon & Cobalt as well----guess what? they had lim-slip to!!!! 1500$ for them to!!
does Blazin REALLY work for GM? i doubt it, but maybe, we'll see
I really do LOVE being right & making people eat their own obnoxious words!
Anything else you would like to clear up guys? Blazin? GM Mechanics? I'm retarded? I don't know what i'm talking about? 1300$? they said 1500$--Blazin. Or, do they not know what they're talking about? do you know better than people who test-drove the car? I own that issue--September 2005 so yeah.....I also own a May 2005 Issue of Motor Trend with a comparo of the Neon & Cobalt as well----guess what? they had lim-slip to!!!! 1500$ for them to!!
does Blazin REALLY work for GM? i doubt it, but maybe, we'll see
I really do LOVE being right & making people eat their own obnoxious words!
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it pulls stronger out of turns, aided by a Quaife limited-slip differential (part of the $1500 G85 Perform-ance Package that also includes Recaro seats) that keeps the SS from spinning the tread off its inside front tire.
and I quote--straight from the magazine--it's fun! so--who IS the winningest maufacture? anybody? your all gonna disagree--you all already have---yet none of you want it to be Chevy---Have you guys noticed that the only opinion you all share is that I'm always wrong & you don't think it's Chevy? maybe one day you can all come together & agree--until then argue with each other about Ferrari vs Audi--wait none of you are sure...you just don't want it to be Chevy
Guess what? I'm not always wrong--in fact, I'm the ONLY person in here who has supported something they said with more than --- finger pointing--so, I proved somebody wrong, now somebody PROVE me wrong--go ahead, this IS a challenge
1 more thing. I, along with others, have found that if you search "winningest Manufacture" you get CHEVY...yes they name american motorsports, yes they also name lemans stuff & trans am series & all kinds of stuff--No they they list race series Chevy isnt involved in--why would they??why would they talk about races they don't do?--maybe they mean winningest in the races they compete in,--I don't much care, myself. fact is Chevy is the only manufacture claiming this--why? it's not like other companies can't--BMW just says their the ultimate driving machine--Ford says their Ford though-- so why?? anyone who can find ANYTHING stating someone else has more wins--let me know, cause until then--I've got more at my back than you do
and I quote--straight from the magazine--it's fun! so--who IS the winningest maufacture? anybody? your all gonna disagree--you all already have---yet none of you want it to be Chevy---Have you guys noticed that the only opinion you all share is that I'm always wrong & you don't think it's Chevy? maybe one day you can all come together & agree--until then argue with each other about Ferrari vs Audi--wait none of you are sure...you just don't want it to be Chevy
Guess what? I'm not always wrong--in fact, I'm the ONLY person in here who has supported something they said with more than --- finger pointing--so, I proved somebody wrong, now somebody PROVE me wrong--go ahead, this IS a challenge
1 more thing. I, along with others, have found that if you search "winningest Manufacture" you get CHEVY...yes they name american motorsports, yes they also name lemans stuff & trans am series & all kinds of stuff--No they they list race series Chevy isnt involved in--why would they??why would they talk about races they don't do?--maybe they mean winningest in the races they compete in,--I don't much care, myself. fact is Chevy is the only manufacture claiming this--why? it's not like other companies can't--BMW just says their the ultimate driving machine--Ford says their Ford though-- so why?? anyone who can find ANYTHING stating someone else has more wins--let me know, cause until then--I've got more at my back than you do
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Actually, you've yet to prove yourself correct with your main arguement. So, until you can even prove that your Chevy statement is in fact correct, this will be nothing more than blather. You have no facts, no figures, nothing to back up your claim.LeadSlead#2
You know what??? I think Hyundai is the winningest manufacturer ever. I have nothing to prove that, or anything to base that statement on, but its true. Don't try and argue, its fact.
See how lame that sounds??? You sound the same way. If you can actually find some facts to back up that claim, all the better. Until then, we'll all just stick to making fun of you, and discussing other things.
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As I said before, there are so many different types of racing that its pretty much impossible to determine who has the most wins. With the variety of racing ( drag racing, road racing, rally racing, F1, single make, etc), the history of the manufacturer, hybrids vehicles, there is no telling. So just drop it all ready.
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No, when you search for that, the only thing they are "winningest" at is NASCAR. They have 570-ish wins there. But, in over 50 years, that isn't much really. Can you even name any races outside the states that Chevy races in besides LeMans??? Look that up, you won't find much. So, again, if you can really find any stats or figures, BESIDES NASCAR, to back up your claim, we'd love to see. Until then, its all blah blah blah.LeadSlead#2
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EXACTLY!! thank you Jnasty! that's all you've got--making jokes--why? well your either an assistant golf proffesional(I doubt it) or More likely--youre a 14 year old kid who's brother has a cool car you like a lot! so you try and say i've got nothing--CLEARLY I HAVE CHEVY CLAIMING THEY ARE! can you read? did you read that part?? I HAVE SOMETHING TO BASE AN OPINION ON--NOT YOU--I DO--CHEVY CLAIMED IT AND NO OTHER COMPANY ARGUED?? why? if I was mercedes & I knew I had the most wins--I call out Bull$#!t!--but they didnt--why not??--------I do have more than you mr. nasty--I have a manufacture's claim behind me--so...what was it you have again?
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Because you make it so easy, thats why.LeadSlead#2
Nope, wrong again. I'm 27, don't have a brother, am Asst. Pro at SRCC, have a wife, and 5 cars between us. Again, you're just making stuff up.LeadSlead#2
Show me ONE actual statistic, where is says that Chevy is the "WINNINGEST MANUFACTURER WORLDWIDE" if you can. Again, not just NASCAR. We know they have the most wins there. But, worldwide, out of ALL other manufacturers, in all motorsports. Show us a stat.LeadSlead#2
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you know what the point is here? If I showed you a list of all kinds of races worldwide & it didnt have 1 series you thought should be included, you'd want to say it didnt count, so quite frankly--you're never gonna know in your mind--more importantly--570 wins in Nascar IS a big deal--why? because that's 10 wins a year for 57 year- or - wait. that'd be 5.5 wins a year since 1900---in one series alone how about NHRA? IHRA?--fact is, ( so far nobody's argued this)-(so here comes a new argument I'm sure) these american racing series host FAR FAR more races per year than all your favorite european series do--why? beacuse they have an audience--that help support it--a big one. You see NASCAR has a bigger fan base & audience--no matter how gay you may call it-- than MOST all other series combined and if you don't think Chevy's claiming to be the winningest name in Motorsports (not just Nascar--I said Motorsports) you really need glasses--it'll probly help you golf game to---because I found about 8 sites on the first page alone that said Motorsports, not nascar.
motorsports are worldwide--by the way--it's actually self-explanitory that's why you won't see it defined-- almighty one that needs facts but doesnt have to present them.
all I said was what Chevy is claiming and still no company argues---(you seem to neglect that point so I'll point it out yet again
p.s. please excuse me saying you might be 14--that's just the age you come across as, & o yeah, thanks for saying you have 5 cars--now you're more important to me & the whole world--seriously, I gained respect for you when you tried to impress me with money
got any pics of these cars in your driveway? wouldnt it be funny if you found out that my real name was Steve Millen? you do recognize the name, right?
oh crap, now I have to edit & put more crap here
SVTSnake, I realize you probly like Mustangs & or Ford, but they don't even have as many wins in nascar--the one statistic we can find
HEY! THAT'S A GOOD POINT! IN AMERICA, WE KEEP STATS LIKE THIS SO WE HAVE NASCAR DOWN, NOW LET'S ALL TRY & FIND OTHER SERIES STATS LIKE NHRA & LEMANS & TRANS AM CUPS & ANY OTHER SERIES LIKE JGTC & EVERYTHING WE CAN FIND! IT'S EASY FOR NASCAR SO THESE OTHER SERIES SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE RIGHT? LETS FIND IT! ANY RACES THAT WON'T LET OTHER COMPANY'S PARTICAPATE DO NOT COUNT--I.E.,FERRARI CHALLENGE--CORVETTE CUP, RACES LIKE THIS DON'T COUNT AS NOT ALL MANUFACTURES HAVE THESE
motorsports are worldwide--by the way--it's actually self-explanitory that's why you won't see it defined-- almighty one that needs facts but doesnt have to present them.
all I said was what Chevy is claiming and still no company argues---(you seem to neglect that point so I'll point it out yet again
p.s. please excuse me saying you might be 14--that's just the age you come across as, & o yeah, thanks for saying you have 5 cars--now you're more important to me & the whole world--seriously, I gained respect for you when you tried to impress me with money
got any pics of these cars in your driveway? wouldnt it be funny if you found out that my real name was Steve Millen? you do recognize the name, right?
oh crap, now I have to edit & put more crap here
SVTSnake, I realize you probly like Mustangs & or Ford, but they don't even have as many wins in nascar--the one statistic we can find
HEY! THAT'S A GOOD POINT! IN AMERICA, WE KEEP STATS LIKE THIS SO WE HAVE NASCAR DOWN, NOW LET'S ALL TRY & FIND OTHER SERIES STATS LIKE NHRA & LEMANS & TRANS AM CUPS & ANY OTHER SERIES LIKE JGTC & EVERYTHING WE CAN FIND! IT'S EASY FOR NASCAR SO THESE OTHER SERIES SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE RIGHT? LETS FIND IT! ANY RACES THAT WON'T LET OTHER COMPANY'S PARTICAPATE DO NOT COUNT--I.E.,FERRARI CHALLENGE--CORVETTE CUP, RACES LIKE THIS DON'T COUNT AS NOT ALL MANUFACTURES HAVE THESE
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Ok leadsled so when you goggle winningest manufacturer you get a bunch of stuff about chevy. Just give me a little time and im sure I can europanize the search term to bring up a bunch of results about mercedes ferrari porsche etc and then we will see just how wrong and how flawed your theory is. Your completly wrong.
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try this on--Motorsport.com
I don't know exactly what series some of you are talking about but these guys have a lot-- I noticed Chevy even won some this year too!beating aston martin, dodge, & someone else--in another series, Jaguar won with chevy 2nd & for third
i doubt most of you will look--to busy waiting to speak
I don't know exactly what series some of you are talking about but these guys have a lot-- I noticed Chevy even won some this year too!beating aston martin, dodge, & someone else--in another series, Jaguar won with chevy 2nd & for third
i doubt most of you will look--to busy waiting to speak
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Young Warrior, if you can prove me & Chevy--Chevy claimed it, I repeated it--wrong--good for you--I've been waiting for someone to post something behind their argument
I made a statement based on what a manufacture said--everybody argued based on even less no manufactures statement's no nothing--if you argue-you're supposed to have an argument--not just---NU-UH
so props to young warrior for at least trying to find something! so far he's better than the rest of you
I made a statement based on what a manufacture said--everybody argued based on even less no manufactures statement's no nothing--if you argue-you're supposed to have an argument--not just---NU-UH
so props to young warrior for at least trying to find something! so far he's better than the rest of you
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BlazinXtremeThe coupe get the sedans tail lights, which look outta place
It doesn't look too bad.
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Ok, seriously, you can't think that statement right there is true. Do you honestly think that NASCAR is that big??? Yes, in the US, the audience for NASCAR is far larger than other motorsports. But, worldwide, no one else cares. Here, let me help you with that.....LeadSlead#2
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3165/is_2000_May/ai_65162762
Still think NASCAR is really that big in the whole scheme of things??? And, you see how that works??? I posted a link, and a stat. Not just blather.Jackie Stewart
I just showed you how. Show us a link, or a real stat from somewhere else besides your delusional mind. You have yet to do this. In ALL that blather from you, there has yet to be one link to any of your supposed info backing this up. Does it exist, we'd love to see.LeadSlead#2
I just showed you how to do it. Why don't you follow suit and show us your great info.LeadSlead#2
You see, the point your missing is, we aren't saying that Chevy isn't. We're just saying the probability is not likely they are the winningest. No one knows. But, you seem to think you do. We're just discussing it, your just mammering. Show us a link, and we might take you serious. Thats all it takes.
No impression intended. Just correction. You said I was 14, had a brother, and liked his car. I just said I wasn't 14, don't have a brother, and have cars of my own that I like. I made no mention of money. I'm not rich, but I do fine.LeadSlead#2
There are plenty of pics of my cars here in the forums. If you think I'm trying to impress someone with my wife's and my cars, your mistaken. And, yes, I know who Steve Millen is. What does that have to do with anything??? Oh wait, nothing, thats right. Just like every other thing you've said so far.LeadSlead#2
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Hey are you sure that's correct, Blazin? Because I've seen a commercial for the G6 Coupe and it had rear lights similar to the Solara's. 
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If anyone honestly believes that BILLIONS-- (you quoted that) of people watch this racing they are making everyone in this room dumber, for having said that--with that said yes this is pointless--why? because most of these series don't seem to keep statistics like we do in America--why? don't know don't care--so, If you all really want to figure it out count the races people actually kept track of--but more often than not, those will probly be in America - And yes Jnasty you DID say Chevy isnt---don't try to Bull-- a Bull---er, I remember what you all(just about) said & the main thought was--no way in Hell.
YET AGAIN CHEVY SAID THEY ARE THE WINNINGEST--I REPEATED IT--MAYBE THEY'RE NOT---BUT IM SURE THEY SAID IT WITH SOME FORM OF STATS BEHIND IT--NOT JUST NASCAR IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW SO BAD, ASK THEM--i DON'T KNOW---i JUST HEARD THEM SAY IT--AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THEY DON'T(ANY CAR COMPANY'S FOR THE MOST PART) MAKE THIS CRAP OUT OF NOTHING--SO IF YOU--JNASTY--WANT TO CALL SOMEONE DILLUSIONAL--CALL CHEVY THAT GO AHEAD--IT'LL PROBLY MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER
ALSO GRAND PRIX RACING?? IS THAT THE NAME OF 1 SERIES? OR A SPECIFIC STYLE OF RACING? LIKE THE TRANS AM SERIES & GRAND AM CUP & GERMAN TOURING CUP & SO FORTH? I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A KIND OF RACING NOT A SPECIFIC SERIES THERFORE MAKING YOUR CLAIM(ASIDE FROM THE STUPID BILLIONS COMMENT) EVEN DUMBER
YET AGAIN CHEVY SAID THEY ARE THE WINNINGEST--I REPEATED IT--MAYBE THEY'RE NOT---BUT IM SURE THEY SAID IT WITH SOME FORM OF STATS BEHIND IT--NOT JUST NASCAR IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW SO BAD, ASK THEM--i DON'T KNOW---i JUST HEARD THEM SAY IT--AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THEY DON'T(ANY CAR COMPANY'S FOR THE MOST PART) MAKE THIS CRAP OUT OF NOTHING--SO IF YOU--JNASTY--WANT TO CALL SOMEONE DILLUSIONAL--CALL CHEVY THAT GO AHEAD--IT'LL PROBLY MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER
ALSO GRAND PRIX RACING?? IS THAT THE NAME OF 1 SERIES? OR A SPECIFIC STYLE OF RACING? LIKE THE TRANS AM SERIES & GRAND AM CUP & GERMAN TOURING CUP & SO FORTH? I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A KIND OF RACING NOT A SPECIFIC SERIES THERFORE MAKING YOUR CLAIM(ASIDE FROM THE STUPID BILLIONS COMMENT) EVEN DUMBER
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Finally I have enough evidence to prove leadsled wrong. The manufacturer with the highest race entry to wins ratio is indeed Porsche. Thanks to the 911 and their other lemans cars porsche is the most succesful car manufacturer when it comes to racing.
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First off, we're not talking about win/ratio warrior, we're talking about total wins--I know because I started this whole argument by making the now infamous comment"Chevy is the winningest manufacture" because thats what Chevy claims. 2nd off --maybe that was a joke--the whole not having a link or any numbers part---It would be funnier though if you at least had Porsche claiming it true to back you up---so, go get it
p.s. whoever said porsche races corvettes in these series--that may be true in some--but in the racing series they both particapate in here in America, they are in different classes
Still no word on me being the God Of GM??? i was right about the Limited Slip thing right? or did I read the article wrong?
p.s. whoever said porsche races corvettes in these series--that may be true in some--but in the racing series they both particapate in here in America, they are in different classes
Still no word on me being the God Of GM??? i was right about the Limited Slip thing right? or did I read the article wrong?
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Wow this went from a tuner car challenge to who wins the most X races in X racing organization.
