Cobalt wins time attack?

Well... Did the Ion that you saw race the SRT-4 have this "Competition Package"?
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Nope because his car is an 04 and they started with the comp packages in 05. He's thinkning about buying it though because like I said it needs it.

No. There are MacF1s, Murcielagos, and 911s that race in there. Its just "Japanese" in the sense that it takes place there, for the most part. Not that all the cars are Japanese.
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Gotcha
 
BlazinXtreme
They don't win WRC, but I'm sure there are some SCCA wins in there somewhere
Le Mans, the Vette has done pretty good at winning
Formula 1, I don't think GM has ever had a program
I don't know what Speed GT is, but I would assume the Vette runs in it
Same with the club car
I think Ferrari Challenges are only open to Ferraris...no?
Dakar could be a possiblity, not sure
JGTC is for Japanese cars...no?



Alright I'll buy that, because like I said I've never pushed one.
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Well Think about this
Le mans has been running since 1923, chevy has been involved since 1959 ish..And it's finish of "8th overall" was the best finish a chevy had up until the induction of the C5R......Meaning Chevy's "le mans" wins..are very few in the grand scheme of things..

Second, everytime a chevy won it's "class" there was another company in any of the other classes that won in their class..For instance, the GT3's...or the LMP's...

SCCA yeah i'm sure chevy does have wins there..no denying that.

Formula 1...There's a crap load of ferrari/maserati victories..

Speed GT is a SCCA Series and the field mainly consists of.(very entraining series)..Lots of crashes, and lots of dirty driving...(max pappis is a snake)

As of right now the standings are
1 CTS-V
2 Viper
3 911
4 911
5 CTS-V
6 C6
Manufac points
1Cadillac
2Porsche
3Chevy
4Dodge

Ferrari challenge is ONLY ferrari's(usually, with some acceptions to make the field a little different) But it's still a sanctioned event.

Club races, like the 911 club races are still open..There are 360's 430's and other cars in their class who compete..

Dakar i'll look into...

And JGTC isn't just japanese cars. there's Ferrari's porsches, nobles, and other cars in the series aswell..


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I happen to think the Redline is 2-3x better looking than the Cobalt or SRT-4
 
So why ask if Chevy has ever won a Ferarri Challenge event if ONLY Ferarri's are allowed to enter. :dunce:
 
But then it'd be impossible for them to ever win a title if they never existed in the league! :dunce:
 
You're right!!!! which is why this whole "chevy has won the most" arguement is complete bullcrap!

Because they don't compete in anything...which means in order to even have a change..they'd have to win everything they DO compete in..which they don't..
 
They can't compete in Ferrari Challenge. That series is a spec car series. Much like the Porsche Super Cup. The series consists of a bunch of teams getting the same car as everyone gets, and seeing who can win the races. Its only 360 Challenge racers, soon to be the 430 Challenge. Same with the PSC, they all race the same GT3 Cup cars. There might be some other series out there, but those 2 are spec cars, no others.

Hilg
 
JNasty4G63
They can't compete in Ferrari Challenge. That series is a spec car series. Much like the Porsche Super Cup. The series consists of a bunch of teams getting the same car as everyone gets, and seeing who can win the races. Its only 360 Challenge racers, soon to be the 430 Challenge. Same with the PSC, they all race the same GT3 Cup cars. There might be some other series out there, but those 2 are spec cars, no others.

Hilg
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Well i recall watching a porsche club race of some sort....

with about 13 diff spec porsches on the field.....aswell as a few ferrari's....

Second, it's not all the same cars, the people just choose to use the most current and best suited of the cars..

in the "ferrari challenge" they can use 348's if they want to, on up to the 360..

for the Perelli Maranello Ferrari challenge aswell as the other Club racing series they can use Alfa Romeo's if they please....
 
I might be thinking of something else. But, what I'm thinking of is like the Porsche Super Cup, or Star Mazda series. You buy the car, chassis and engine and all, and then you race. Everyone has the same car, engine, chassis. Then its a race with driver/setup. Makes for very good racing. We might both be thinking of other things.

Hilg
 
yeah I think we are, i know about those aswell where it's all about the drivers in equal cars and what not.

No i'm talking about somethin else.....

but anywho, back on topic...

Chevy /= win the most
 
the Cobalt can get limited slip guys....... it costs 1500$ in the comp package....

Did I say Automobile mag? no did they get 11.6 with the Z06? no.
I said Motor Trend the vette was 1st the viper 2nd & the GT 3rd
I lost all respect for Automobile mag when they ran a viper to a 12.4---12.4???? are you kidding? they need to learn how to drive---

I guess I don't need to comment on the Ferrari Challenge.... funny though
& I'm sure some Chevy's have won club races....in the past God knows how long they've had club racing, to think they didnt win some would be a pretty bold & Ignorant statement\

we gotta (mainly because street drivers often suck) remember that just beacuse a Cobalt beat a neon or vice versa on the street doesnt mean that much
from Car & Driver & Motor Trend---the cobalt is quicker off the line--due to no lag....whether it feels to some as if it's not there---well it is, they don't make this stuff up--either way, the neon is a bit faster high end--it does have more power what i've seen in 2 head-to-head comparos is 14.4's with the neon at a slightly higher speed
 
......Well I know a neon will beat a cobalt.....The cobalt will win through the intersection..but that's about it...

And........That's...about it..
 
LeadSlead#2
Did I say Automobile mag? no did they get 11.6 with the Z06? no.
I said Motor Trend the vette was 1st the viper 2nd & the GT 3rd
I lost all respect for Automobile mag when they ran a viper to a 12.4---12.4???? are you kidding? they need to learn how to drive---
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So, go cry some more that a mag didn't get a car to a good time. Like that means anything anyway. Its just numbers. Get over it. One mag the Vette won, another the GT one. Who gives a shiz. Sounds to me like you only believe what you want. Don't like it, must be a lie or a farce, right??? Thats just delusion, not understanding.
LeadSlead#2
....from Car & Driver & Motor Trend---the cobalt is quicker off the line--due to no lag....
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I've lost all respect for MT now that you're quotting them. They are no good anymore.

Hilg
 
I've run a 12 in my car before. It has well over 500hp. That doesn't mean crap. Just means I got a bad time. Sucks for YOU that you can't see past the number and just see that they got a bad time, not that they didn't like the car.

Hilg
 
I never said they didnt like the car...... what is it with you making things up other people say? where do you get this crap? I said they can't drive. They got bad times with the other 2 as well but the viper stands out because it's in the mid 12 range---and getting a bad time is not acceptable when your a magazine like them & posting this to the world as though thats what the car runs---sucks for YOU that accepts mediocrity
 
You are missing the point. The number is not the big factor here. Its the relationship to the other car's times that is the factor. Do all those times seem kind of high for those cars??? Sure. But, they were same track, same time. Thats relative. Are they all capable of a mid-low 11?? Sure, in ideal conditions. But, that isn't what was being tested here. So, again, you need to look past the number and see that its just meaningless. So what if it ran a 12.4. All the other cars ran low 12s, so its basically the same. Get over the numbers already.

Hilg
 
the point is, if they can't drive in a straight line--how do we expect them to run a road course good? which is why they don't count--not because I disagree with their results because they've proven to be bad drivers
 
You're hopeless, you realize that, right??? There is no logic in your brain.

What if it was like 95* that day? Or, what if the track was mildly slick?? The driving skill isn't in question here. Nor are the time. Just the relationship of one time to the other. If one car got a faster time, with the same driver, on the same day, on the same course, thats the thing we want. Not the actual time. Just which is faster/slower.

This wasn't a cut and dry "Which Is Faster" competition. If it was, they would go to a good track, put good tires on them, have a professional driver race them, and see which is ultimately faster. But, that wasn't the point of the story. It was just to see which is the better whole car. And, in those conditions, on that day, at that track, with the same driver, the GT won.

You need to really just stop looking at everything so cut and dry.

Hilg
 
JNasty4G63
You're hopeless, you realize that, right??? There is no logic in your brain.

What if it was like 95* that day? Or, what if the track was mildly slick?? The driving skill isn't in question here. Nor are the time. Just the relationship of one time to the other. If one car got a faster time, with the same driver, on the same day, on the same course, thats the thing we want. Not the actual time. Just which is faster/slower.

This wasn't a cut and dry "Which Is Faster" competition. If it was, they would go to a good track, put good tires on them, have a professional driver race them, and see which is ultimately faster. But, that wasn't the point of the story. It was just to see which is the better whole car. And, in those conditions, on that day, at that track, with the same driver, the GT won.

You need to really just stop looking at everything so cut and dry.

Hilg
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Also, altitude could've played a big role, as well as how abused the cars were. I'm sure that as press cars they aren't in mint condition.
 
Exactly. There are lots of things that can make a car slow or fast. This is just silly getting all mad at a magazine because they got a bad time. But, he seems to do it. Oh well.

Hilg
 
LeadSlead#2
the Cobalt can get limited slip guys....... it costs 1500$ in the comp package....
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WRONG! You can't order a Cobalt with the competition package yet. Look for it middle of next year. But you want proof...go to build your own Cobalt SS on www.chevy.com. It's not offered yet. And the comp package on the Ion Redline is like 1300 bucks, so you are wrong there too.
 
I don't know if I would go questioning him on Chevy knowledge BX. You know, if its Chevy, he KNOWS the truth. You might work for them, but that won't stop him. HA HA, hopeless.

Hilg
 
True enough, I guess being a GM employee means nothing in his eyes. I mean its fine to disagree, but for the love of god don't be a bastard about it.
 
Blaze..it's obvious he knows more about chevy than you..

He knows that in the year 1403...Chevrolet was founded...by a man who made the first corvette in his garage..and it had a 600cubic inch V-twin.......

He is the genius here..

chevy employee? means nothing.....

Internet savy = everything!

ok i'm done
 
Ya now he is a fan-boy, so for God sakes everyone can quit callling me a GM fan-boy....at least I know when I've been beaten :lol:.
 

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