Comfort Tires = Professional Level?

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this thread needs video demonstration to show the differences

and here it is, comfort hard vs sports hard @ tsukuba circuit

it aint rocket science to figure out which tire pulls out more spectacular drifts

 
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HKSD1
this thread needs video demonstration to show the differences

and here it is, comfort hard vs sports hard @ tsukuba circuit

it aint rocket science to figure out which tire pulls out more spectacular drifts

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EXACTLY. Savage backwards entry on the comfort hards btw :D
 
Even if the fd and D1 pros use Sport tires, they are over inflating them.
On gt5, i want whatever feels the most realistic.
 
In Forza 3 you could adjust the PSI of your tyres. Really i think it depends on how much HP you have and what track you are running, because a 500+ HP drift car will chew through Sports Hard pretty fast and running Comfort tyres is similar to driving on ice. on Tsukuba you could run Sports hard to have great grip in tighter spots. although running on the D1GP portion of the Fuji Speedway i have to run comfort to make the drift the Sports hard has too much grip in this situation. Formula D and D1GP have huge differences. if you want fast drifting point to point, it is Formula D. D1GP is a higher controlled Drifting it is not just clipping points it is the whole run. This is the main difference that causes different tyre restrictions.
 
Tuzmyfuz80
IFormula D and D1GP have huge differences.
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Firstly, Hi Tuz, I remember hooking up with you and Kaspur in a few lobbies.

Secondly, what this really highlights is the difference between a game and what actually happens. This has been demonstrated by the input made by those that are actually familiar with drifting in the big wide world, it shouldn't be too difficult to work out who those people are.

At the end of the day use the tires that suit your driving style.
 
HKSD1
this thread needs video demonstration to show the differences

and here it is, comfort hard vs sports hard @ tsukuba circuit

it aint rocket science to figure out which tire pulls out more spectacular drifts

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end of topic!
 
i started drifting with comfort tires when i bought it. i was nooby in the game so i had no idea why sport tires are easier to drift with.
so i started with comfort - soft tires and learned it with these, and since than i never drifted with something else:D
 
I don't think that comfort tires are Professional, but comfort HARD are my personal preference to Drift on. My Speeds are slower than the people with Sport tires, but i can get really deep angle and can easily Link turns and control the car the way i want. I feel that i can make more adjustments and place the car where i need it to be with Comfort Hard. I can drift on Sport tires but it takes a lot more effort and i cannot be as precise. Even on my cars with 7-800hp comfort hards are where it is. I also use a G25 wheel so i can custom tailor my steering/throttle and braking inputs with the more slippery/less grip tires. Ive done some drifting in real life, and Comfort HARD are the most realistic for DRIFTING Feel.

Especially for Tandem drifting Comfort Hard i can follow someone and make corrections to their line, while still keeping myself in a drift. :)👍.
 
Out of curiosity, what do most of you use for a top speed on your transmissions? 130? 150? Higher than 150?
 
Sorry, my numbers were in MPH but either one is fine so long as the unit of measure is included.
 
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well on my 444hp s15 im running 360kph i think, my 63Xhp camaro has 380kph and my 715hp lambo is on 440kph
 
TwinturboCH
EXACTLY. Savage backwards entry on the comfort hards btw :D
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Yeah, think I'm starting to come back to comfort hards rather than mediums and softs now too although mediums still seem much better on my M3 but its pointless as even though I'm on the lockstops on most bends it's still far too fast for tendems with most other cars.

My Z4m only works on hards and is **** on anything else however I still havent managed awesome backwards entries with it pn hards like in the video :)
 
Comforts would show you which driver puts on a better show. Sports would show you which driver is the better driver. I think that's really what it comes down to.

Comforts make it so just about anyone can link every corner and keep it sideways at all times. You really can't go wrong, it's like riding a bike with training wheels. If I were going to try tandem drift or something, I'd probably use comforts. If I wanted a big score, I'd probably use comforts. If I'm just showing off for a random crowd, comforts.

Sports tires have more grip, so they're harder to drift and require faster entry speeds. I like that, I like the challenge. If I want to shred it and show some real skill, I'd use sports. If I'm just out tearing it up on some random track, I'll often use sports. I'm not worried about lack of big smoke or backwards entries; People who don't recognize true skill when they see it don't concern me.

Really it depends on the situation, but I think people overrate comforts. Comforts are for show, which is great, but you have to push yourself sometimes in order to be great. If you use comfort exclusively, it'll take you a long time to move beyond the basic techniques like power sliding and e-braking.
 
I still use the e-brake on comfort hards. Someone once said to me that comfort tires are training wheels. When in fact it is the other way around. With sport tires you can just floor it all around the turn and not worry about much. With comforts you need to be gentle with your steering and throttle control. If you can only drift in Sport tires, i feel sorry for you. If you have comfort hard on all the time, your a true drifter. Everyone has their own style and own set up but when people call comfort hard tires training wheels, I lose it. I've beaten people in drift battles that were using sport tires when i was in comforts. If you know your car and the track, you can be super fast and don't need sport tires!

Enough said, Comfort Hards requires more skill then Sport tires! After 2 laps of using Sport Hards you're basically using fresh Comfort Hards. If you think other wise then all hope is lost for you.
 
pergatory
Comforts would show you which driver puts on a better show. Sports would show you which driver is the better driver. I think that's really what it comes down to.

Comforts make it so just about anyone can link every corner and keep it sideways at all times. You really can't go wrong, it's like riding a bike with training wheels. If I were going to try tandem drift or something, I'd probably use comforts. If I wanted a big score, I'd probably use comforts. If I'm just showing off for a random crowd, comforts.

Sports tires have more grip, so they're harder to drift and require faster entry speeds. I like that, I like the challenge. If I want to shred it and show some real skill, I'd use sports. If I'm just out tearing it up on some random track, I'll often use sports. I'm not worried about lack of big smoke or backwards entries; People who don't recognize true skill when they see it don't concern me.

Really it depends on the situation, but I think people overrate comforts. Comforts are for show, which is great, but you have to push yourself sometimes in order to be great. If you use comfort exclusively, it'll take you a long time to move beyond the basic techniques like power sliding and e-braking.
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Think you have missed the whole point of drifting...

Its a show sport and the more dramatic the better so smoke, crazy entries etc are the order of the day.


I've being messing with comfort hards last night and this evening and I'm sold on them rather than using mediums and soft comforts and alittle bit of Sports at this stage.

1. They don't wear off after 5 laps
2. They let you link corners properly rather than just fish-tail back and forth and use rubbing the wall 4 or 5 times to make up for it rather than one nice long drift along it and then out again to initiate for the next corner. This approach is also much more favorable on tandem and train drifting too in my opinion.
3. I've pulled off 5 backwards entries in Deep-forest and Tsukuba in the last hour which I was only able to do before by luck and on the ideal radius corner :D
 
You don't suck if you use comfort and you don't suck if you use sport tires. I mainly used sport hards on my c63 655hp. But after looking at most battles. They all require comfort hards. So I switched over. 655hp with comfort hards. They feel much easier to drift with. Which I don't like. I liked the speed of sport tires.

The standard seems to be comfort hards. If you're drifting anything else. You might as well switch. Might not be what I want, but it creates an even playing field.

I didn't change a thing to my car going from sports to comfort tires. If I can do it. So can you.
 
pergatory - I agree with some of the points you made. I'm not here to try to make sports sound better or worse than comfort though.

BlackIce90
With sport tires you can just floor it all around the turn and not worry about much. With comforts you need to be gentle with your steering and throttle control. If you can only drift in Sport tires, i feel sorry for you.

Enough said, Comfort Hards requires more skill then Sport tires! After 2 laps of using Sport Hards you're basically using fresh Comfort Hards. If you think other wise then all hope is lost for you.
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I don't totally agree that you can just floor it with sport tires - as I know with how my car is set I can't. And I certainly am not here looking for pity - as many sport tire-users would feel the same way.

From my limited usage of comforts I believe many sport tire users prefer the ability to late brake and have higher speeds around corners. Yes, they are less ideal for tandems and smoke - but if we are 'competing' for outright speed drifting (which I love), they are better.

Skill is how well you handle your car irregardless of the tires being used.

DaveM-sport
Its a show sport and the more dramatic the better so smoke, crazy entries etc are the order of the day.

2. They let you link corners properly rather than just fish-tail back and forth and use rubbing the wall 4 or 5 times to make up for it rather than one nice long drift along it and then out again to initiate for the next corner. This approach is also much more favorable on tandem and train drifting too in my opinion.
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I believe that speed is a factor in drifting as well - depending on the competition speed is more or less of a factor.

Isn't #2 basically describing manji drifting (aka sway drifting). Grazing a wall or getting close to it is a skill - of course riding the wall is not.

I don't want this to be a tire/user bashing thread - I got the answer I was searching so if need be this thread can be locked.
 
why_spyder
pergatory - I agree with some of the points you made. I'm not here to try to make sports sound better or worse than comfort though.



I don't totally agree that you can just floor it with sport tires - as I know with how my car is set I can't. And I certainly am not here looking for pity - as many sport tire-users would feel the same way.

From my limited usage of comforts I believe many sport tire users prefer the ability to late brake and have higher speeds around corners. Yes, they are less ideal for tandems and smoke - but if we are 'competing' for outright speed drifting (which I love), they are better.

Skill is how well you handle your car irregardless of the tires being used.



I believe that speed is a factor in drifting as well - depending on the competition speed is more or less of a factor.

Isn't #2 basically describing manji drifting (aka sway drifting). Grazing a wall or getting close to it is a skill - of course riding the wall is not.

I don't want this to be a tire/user bashing thread - I got the answer I was searching so if need be this thread can be locked.
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Yes, speed is huge factor in drifting but to be honest the reduction in speed with comforts outweighs the reduction in angle with the Sports.

Manji the straights is good but linking too corners in a more fluid movement with maybe one fish-tail looks alot better than smoother than repeated swaying to keep the tyres smoking.

For example with sports or comfort softs you might have 4 or 5 fish-tails along the straight in tsukuba whereas with comfort hards you can extend the last corner a bit further, one manji to rub the wall and then a big entry into the first hairpin.
 
what a load of total BS.

Are people still under the misconception that for drifting you want to reduce grip levels?

Smoke from either tyres is the same. Whether you manjii the length of tsukuba start finish straight in two passes or four is down to your driving style.
 
DaveM-sport
For example with sports or comfort softs you might have 4 or 5 fish-tails along the straight in tsukuba whereas with comfort hards you can extend the last corner a bit further, one manji to rub the wall and then a big entry into the first hairpin.
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I usually get 2-3 sways on the long stretch through the start/finish on sport softs. It is actually harder to get more than that on that straight because of the increased grip of sports. I believe it would be much easier to attain 4-5 on less grippy tires.
 
I here by challenge a Sport Hard drifter to a challenge on Comfort Hard tires only!

We will race on both comforts and sports, if I beat you in both, then it is clear that Comfort Hard drifters can handle a wider range of tires which ultimately means, "We are better then you!"

If you can only drift battle with sports and not comforts, it means that aren't good enough to drift on comfort hards. Thus making you an average drifter rather then a DK! :sly:

Any challengers?

I will need judges to watch so that the guy I'm racing doesn't slam into me every turn...
 
Did anyone here claim to be a great drifter? Or by any means superior? I know I sure didn't...

Seriously, one person representing one side and one representing another side and they THE representative of that group?! Yeah, right....
 
I was under the impression Comfort Soft was the "better" of the group but now people say it is Comfort Hard? I guess I need to switch then lol.
 
I will win if i lead with sports but by the end if Tsukuba I will be 3 turns ahead...not much to judge.

If you lead with comforts and im on sports im on your door in every corner and I don't even have to use the gas on the straight bc you can't gain speed anyway...

I like sports and a car with 400 to 600hp, and if your in front of me on comfort your holding me back no matter what.

Sooorrrryyyy!
 
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