Computer Assists Rant

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Okay, a lot has been made about all of the assists in the game, TCS, ASM, etc. Most agree they are crutch for the more inexperienced drivers. I drive with no aids except ABS1 for the most part. I think most GT veterans prefer this as it gives more feel and control of the car. I find when I try to use aids, it usually results in slower lap times while giving maybe a bit more stability.

Now on to real life. What's everyone's opinion on all of the computer assists being added to cars nowadays? I mean cars that brake for you, keep your car in your lane, parallel park, etc. I believe while it may make the roads a little safer, it's also creating a generation of lazier drivers that will just rely on these aids instead of becoming a better, more aware and competent driver. It's bad enough now with people not paying attention on their cell phones while driving. This just gives more reason to do it because they believe the car will keep them from being involved in an accident. I say use Uber if you can't be bothered to watch the road.

If the future is autonomous cars, driving is going to become bland. Rant Over.
 
The only automation I do like so far... the self parking in two rentals I had. A Mercedes A Class that could parallel park in Germany. A Cadillac CTS that could both parallel and 90 degree angle park. Not that I can't do it myself... I'm just really terrible at parallel parking.
 
The introduction of Sat Navs showed how inattentive most drivers are. I live on a road which is actually a bridle track (ie its for horses) and there is no through access on account of a bollard half way up the track. It is clearly marked as not being a through road, yet we still regularly get idiots that just follow the Sat Nav rather than paying attention to the actual road marking.

Now for computer controlled cars, I'm looking forward to self driving cars, as it means I can go to sleep and let the car do the work. Let the computer have the pleasure of going through a traffic jam instead, I've got dreams to be getting on with :)

You can turn off all assists in the lobbies or be selective to the ones you want, so I don't see the issue in game.
 
I have mixed feelings.
Control devices;
I think, in looking at the last few generations of drivers, as a general statement, a vehicle is simply a means of getting someplace... that "driving" is not about "driving", it's simply about operating. I think that, as a generality, all these assists are excellent as driver skill is not what it once was, nor is situational awareness... and I believe that is related to the decline in athletics, but, that's another topic.
So, being a 50 year old male that grew up being very competitive in a variety of sports, and having pursued my own automotive desires, I think "I" want to be in control...
Yet, twice in the last few years I'm pretty sure I pulled off accident avoidance due to these new fanged "skid control" mechanisms rather than pure old fashioned macho - skill. Both times as I was initiating the movements my mind was saying "here we go..."
So, even for me, who "thinks" he is an excellent driver... yep, this stuff works.

Automated driving;
I it will be good for large cities with congestion and that dang accordion effect.... but I think there needs to be an integrated forward traffic notifications/real time reporting for that to work best.
I think it will be good in situations where people are operating a vehicle when they are exhausted.
I'm not sure how it will help "operators" have the essential skills for when the system goes on the frits.
All new cars have errors, glitches, recalls... so, in 40 years when no one really has much experience drive, and their system goes down... now you have a loose canon on your hands... guess maybe that better than all the non-attentive under-skilled folks that are on the road right no tho... hmmm...
So here is my deal... if the manufacturer is going to put in place a system that makes driving automated... I'm not going to buy insurance. I am no longer operating or controlling the car, the manufacturer has done that. I'm not paying deductibles, I'm not suffering an insurance hike when the system fails.
Since I hate insurance companies, I like this.
Think about it... why would we carry insurance on something we do not control? How exactly am i liable?
And, since I hate insurance, I like this.
 
Real life aids are ok as long as there’s an option to turn them off.

Navaids are a blessing if anyone remembers using paper maps they’ll know what I’m talking about. I still prefer analog instuments. Not big on all the digital dashboards in modern cars.

As far as games, the less aids the better. Power assisted steering is about all I ask for. Don’t want to burn out my wheel.
 
As people become more and more ignorant and stupid year after year from over reliance on electronic devices they will likewise need said electronic aids to make them safer on the roads. It's a jungle out there.
 
Sloppy Shades
As people become more and more ignorant and stupid year after year from over reliance on electronic devices they will likewise need said electronic aids to make them safer on the roads. It's a jungle out there.
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Because technology makes our lives easier to the point where we become dependant and lazy.
 
Bad drivers are bad drivers, forcing them to "pay attention" is hopeless. Especially with texting now. Plus, i live 20min outside of town, if i want to drink in town and still get home, id rather have automated driving than pay for an uber. The future is near....
 
The aids keep people alive because people, in general, are careless. I'll just bring up the topic of cell phone usage while driving as an example.

If a person dies driving your car, or dies because of someone else, and there is technology to avoid that mishap, few are going to argue that it's a good thing to include it.
 
I have no problem with where cars are headed. The technology they're beginning to put into cars and the technology they have yet to put into cars really does fascinate me. If driving does become bland, some the features in modern and will be features in future cars are all too cool and interesting to me.
Besides, do you really think companies like Lamborghini or Porsche will only manufacture self-driving cars? Performance vehicles/vehicles you can drive manually will always be there.
 
There is this prick hipster dude in my country trying to fight his fines in court for using his phone or laptop while driving his tesla. According to him these fines should not be given to drivers of new age cars cause they dont cause a danger cause the car pays attention for them.

I am hoping he totals his tesla on his way to court and the judge makes him pay the fines + the court fees. What a idiot.
 
I’ve had Skoda Octavias with collision avoidance and lane assist, they worked pretty well, definitely saved me on two occasions I remember.
Lane assist is very unnerving though, I turn it off each time I take delivery of a new car. Feels weird when it starts pulling away from your intended line.

I think there’s still room for improvement with driver aids.
 
I don' think anyone would argue against the relevance of ABS or traction control in real life and systems which genuinely help the vehicle do things you'd struggle with on your own, such as Land Rover's Hill Descent systems are all fine too. The things that irk me are systems which mean drivers don't have to think. Automatic headlights for one - if you can't seriously work out whether you need to flick a switch to turn them on, I'm not sure you should be allowed behind the wheel in the first place. Lane departure systems seem to say, "don't bother paying attention, I'll catch you when you get it wrong" and that doesn't encourage people to become a good driver. I learned to drive a machine which requires skill and is something you can improve at over time, with practice and by exploring the performance envelope. New drivers seem to just operate their cars as though it's an iPad with no consideration for changing road conditions or maintenance. Their most important considerations seem to be the in car entertainment and how it syncs with their phone so they can check their Snapchat while they drive!
 
I dunno, auto headlights is great for the absent minded.... jump starting a car with a flat battery would not be cool.
 
Maffski
I dunno, auto headlights is great for the absent minded.... jump starting a car with a flat battery would not be cool.
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It's possible that I expect too much of people, but I don't really want to share the roads with the absent minded.
 
I ride a motorbike a lot. Have done for 17 years so far. I was also a courier.
When I was younger, I never thought traction control or abs would ever be 'better' than me... But it is...
I've not got a TC or abs bike atm but I've test ridden a few. Holy testicle tuesday it makes a difference!
Try as I might, could not defeat the systems but I could still make it do what I wanted with the exception of acceleration oversteer. Which, let's face it, is ****ing stupid on the road and a major cause of accidents and injuries.

Regarding cars, I can see the benefits of lane assist and collision avoidance. Self parking however seems like a gratuity in a 'normal' car.
On the other hand, fully self driving cars would be welcome. As long as they don't have GT league AI! :boggled:

And now to GPS. I recently became aware of how dependent I was on it. To the point of losing my 'pigeons instinct'. I couldn't orientate myself as before.
I've not used my GPS now for 4 months and I bought a map. I feel more manly now! :D
I seriously feel more capable plus it's somewhat nostalgic and a 'useful' skill to possess.

I welcome our cosseting technological overlords, just don't tell me where to drive! Just save my butt when I'm tired or drive me home when I'm drunk. Oh, and don't park it for me, just give me radar and rear facing cameras. Unless I'm drunk. Then park it for me! :D
 
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Self driving cars will be brilliant once they get sorted out fully. People are just terrible at any sort of task that requires constant, unwavering attention for long periods of time. We just aren't wired up that way. Even the best drivers will have the occasional lapse. Not to mention the benefits they'll bring to old folk or those with a disability that prevents them from driving.

Our grandchildren will think it amazing that people used to get in their cars and drive them manually knowing that thousands of their fellow motorists would be killed or maimed every year.
 
Maffski
:rolleyes: never forgotten to turn your lights off?
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Nope. If I turn the engine off with the lights on there's a little beep. That's plenty of assistance. My main issue is with people going out in low light or mist and not having the attention or intelligence to realise the need to turn them on. If you're about to pilot a ton of metal on the road with other people, it's not asking too much that you wake up and pay a little bit of attention to the road and ambient conditions. The roads are full of people not paying attention and rather than try to make them better drivers, modern cars are removing that need entirely. It won't end well!
 
I think full autonomous cars will be excellent. It'll give me two 40 minute segments each day where I can do something fun or productive instead of stare at a straight road.

As long as it can also be switched off when I want to go for a spin through a windy road, I don't see the disadvantage.
 
Chevy Heavy
Okay, a lot has been made about all of the assists in the game, TCS, ASM, etc. Most agree they are crutch for the more inexperienced drivers. I drive with no aids except ABS1 for the most part. I think most GT veterans prefer this as it gives more feel and control of the car. I find when I try to use aids, it usually results in slower lap times while giving maybe a bit more stability.
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Because of not very informative force feedback in GTS I use default ABS and TCS and feel no shame about it :lol:.
 
Factor41
Automatic headlights for one...
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So... "people"... hang with me.
I live in a large American city, close to the southern border... stay with me.
I live in a nice neighborhood, but, have to drive through the ghetto (no joking) to get to work.
I work construction, and am often leaving the house at 1-2am when all the punk gangsters are out with their bloodshot eyes and pants around their thighs...
So, these wastes of oxygen like to drive around without their lights off! I guess that makes them tough, I dunno... but I have learned not to flash my lights at them to let them know... because part of their toughness is to then shoot at you... yes, real life guns...
I'm all for auto headlights... unfortunately these scumbbags all drive '80's monte carlos/cutlass's.... or 60's low riders...
 
cleanLX
Think about it... why would we carry insurance on something we do not control?
However exactly am i liable?
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Well, we're still liable to maintain our futuristic automated friends, if your bald tires caused the wreck you're liable.
More so than that the insurance companies will find a way, and our weak governments will pass legislation that has their backs.
No one wants to lose that revenue.
I agree with you though, if I'm a passenger in a cab which is basically what it would be I'm not liable.
But, I own the vehicle, damn I'm liable.
Maybe there will be attractive no liability lease programs in the future.
 

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