COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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ryzno
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Yes.

ryzno
I'll keep doing like Mr. Heh, in reference to your post above.
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Who is "Mr. Heh"? @TexRex? This requires a great deal of reading-in to follow. And what exactly is "Mr. Heh" doing that you're also going to "keep doing"?

ryzno
I don't recall seeing anyone being able to get away with calling so many people bitchs of all forms here. But hey, do what you do...
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Who? Do what who do? Me? Are you saying I'm calling people names? I know you're not (because I haven't) but that's how this post reads. Honestly, it's extremely difficult to follow. So who is "you" in this last bit and what are they "doing"? Is "you" gtplanet as a whole? Is it me? Is it @TexRex? Is "you" "Mr. Heh?" And what exactly is "you" "doing"? Letting people get away with things? You know that there is a report button on posts right? If you want people to spend less time thinking about your posts, make them clear.

What I see in this post is a tendency for conspiratorial thinking.
 
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ryzno
@Danoff It's more a him, Tex, you and a few other people actually took the time to respond to @VolkswagenX ...
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So... @TexRex, who you chose not to tag, is "Mr. Heh". Right? I mean I think that's what you're saying but you stopped short of saying it. So what about the rest of those questions? What is @TexRex doing that you're going to "keep doing"? And what does "do what you do" mean? Who is that and what are they doing?
 
Danoff
So... @TexRex, who you chose not to tag, is "Mr. Heh". Right? I mean I think that's what you're saying but you stopped short of saying it. So what about the rest of those questions? What is @TexRex doing that you're going to "keep doing"? And what does "do what you do" mean? Who is that and what are they doing?
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Oh for Christ sakes...
Y'all are "book smart" but god...
He literally told him "you do what you do".
I'm trolling a troll, nothing more...
I'll take my 5 lashings gladly.
 
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So just looking at the vaccine date, it appears the US has administered 31,120,000 doses to date, which gives an average of about 635,000 vaccines per day. We have roughly 200,580,000 people left to vaccinate until we hit the 70% mark. At our current average rate that leaves us with 315 days, or once you factor in both doses 630 days. You'll also need to factor in the high likelihood that the 31 million doses already given will need to be followed up with a booster sometime this spring/summer.

How is it that we're so bad at this? Logistically it's a trainwreck and is only going to get worse by the day. We've had at least 8 months to figure this out and the federal government, if they truly wanted to be in charge of the vaccines, should've had a plan in place that pulled together drug stores, the National Guard, and county/state health departments. The Defense Act should've also been enacted earlier too. But nope, we have politicians doing stupid things and it's the average American getting burned in the process.

It truly is the average American too. If you have the money, you can get vaccinated now regardless of your age or health status. I'd like to think it's not happening where I work, but I have a feeling it is, although I have no proof of it one way or another (I'm not digging for it either since you know HIPAA). I know where I used to work is giving the vaccine to all influential and wealthy residents of the area because they're "donors" to the hospital and are somehow classified as an employee.

My favorite stories are of healthcare workers stealing vials of the vaccine to administer it to their family and friends. That's not going to end well for them when they get caught.
 
ryzno
Oh for Christ sakes...
Y'all are "book smart" but god...
He literally told him
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Who?!? @TexRex? @VolkswagenX? Who are you talking about? "He told him" is a sentence you should probably never type. I just did a search of this thread for "do what you do" and it came back with our conversation and nothing else. Were you paraphrasing?

I gather @TexRex said something like "do what you do" to @VolkswagenX, but apparently not exactly (or it's in another thread) and we're supposed to have memorized this and catch the reference.

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Oh it's "you do you". Yea, did not catch that at all. Put it in quotes if you're making it a reference.

ryzno
I'm trolling a troll, nothing more...
I'll take my 5 lashings gladly.
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To me? You're trolling someone else, who you did not reference, in a post to me, by saying "you", and you want me to know this how?
 
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Danoff
we're supposed to have memorized this and catch the reference.
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Y'all have a good memory of users posts too...
I've literally seen him ask for an explanation of the simplest meme, yet can tell you 5 ways from Sunday how you(whoever) post is wrong.

I'm pissed at how he's allowed to run around calling people bitchs. I'm not going to waste my time reporting him either.
It'd be hypocritical, I've called him one before, but I sewar it was more civilized 4 years ago. Now I'm going to go take a nap. Gotta rest when you work hard.

And y'all can interpret that how you want to.

Buenos Noche.
 
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@Joey D We might not even have 70% that are currently willing to be vaccinated, so it may take a while.
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That's very true, I'm just using the 70% number since that's the figure I often hear when it comes to providing adequate herd immunity. In all likelihood though we'll probably be closer to 45-50% since that's where the flu shot typically falls.
 
ryzno
I don't recall seeing anyone being able to get away with calling so many people bitchs of all forms here.
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Neither do I. In fact I can't find the word "bitch" in this thread this year other than in these two posts:
ryzno
I don't recall seeing anyone being able to get away with calling so many people bitchs of all forms here.
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ryzno
I'm pissed at how he's allowed to run around calling people bitchs. I'm not going to waste my time reporting him either.
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As a result, unless it's older than a month or in a different thread somewhere and being brought up in this one for some reason, I don't know who the "he" is that's "calling people bitchs" (sic) and getting you pissed. That makes it kinda hard to stop "him" from "being able to get away with" it.
 
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Famine
I don't know who the "he" is that's "calling people bitchs" (sic) and getting you pissed. That makes it kinda hard to stop "him" from "being able to get away with" it.
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I'm fairly certain that's me, but I've never called anybody on this forum one. I admit I've referred to a very specific individual--who isn't likely to be active on this platform and who was recently banned from a number of others--as one (exclusively accompanied by the adjectives "whiny" and "little"), and if that's deemed inappropriate by you or any other member of the forum moderation staff, I will cease doing so or accept any action for failure to do so. Though given that individual's banishment from platforms from which he's been a whiny little bitch, I'm no longer likely to refer to him as one with any kind of frequency.

Perhaps tangentially, I happen to have described recent remarks in this thread as "bitchy," and I believe that to be very different from calling someone a bitch.

I believe I'm also "Mr. Heh"--given my propensity for using that particular interjection--but I still can't imagine why it's made another here so irate.
 
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Captain Sir Tom Moore has passed away after contracting COVID at the age of 100.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-dies-at-100-after-testing-positive-for-covid

Captain Sir Tom Moore rose to fame last year as he set about raising £1000 for NHS charities before his 100th birthday by walking lengths of his garden.

His campaign went viral and ended up raising a staggering £38.9 million, an effort for which he was ultimately knighted last year.

Sadly, he contracted coronavirus last week and passed away today. RIP Sir Tom.
 
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CNN has some good talking points to address questions raised by those skeptical of the vaccine:

If your loved one is hesitant to get the Covid-19 vaccine, share this

Two experts were consulted on the answers:
  • Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine
  • Dr. Ruth Karron, a leading vaccine expert and professor of international health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
The US has also passed the milestone of having more vaccinated (or rather partially vaccinated) people than people who've had or currently have COVID:

U.S. Hits Pandemic Milestone With More Vaccinated Than Cases

It's not really a win, but it's at least something to kinda-sorta celebrate.
 
Touring Mars
Captain Sir Tom Moore has passed away after contracting COVID at the age of 100.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-dies-at-100-after-testing-positive-for-covid

Captain Sir Tom Moore rose to fame last year as he set about raising £1000 for NHS charities before his 100th birthday by walking lengths of his garden.

His campaign went viral and ended up raising a staggering £38.9 million, an effort for which he was ultimately knighted last year.

Sadly, he contracted coronavirus last week and passed away today. RIP Sir Tom.
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I know there's some debate about statues over the last couple of years but if you had to make one dedicated to the victims of Covid, there's the man to put at the top. Moreso than any government figure during this period.
 
Sad that Sir Tom is gone, been bracing myself for that news since they said that his family was allowed to be with him. Such a shame he didn't get to see this pandemic over.

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BBC has made a helpful map of where mass testing is occuring because of the SA variant (or is it a new home-grown variant with the same mutation? - BBC.). They're worryingly far apart from each other:
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To contrast that, vaccination is going well, perhaps even better than gov expected. One of my worries was that having to start giving second doses soon would slow it down, but having done some calcs it doesn't seem to do so much, or for a long time...

Assuming 2% growth in jabbing capacity a week starting from 3.5m a week now, and that second doses start in 4 weeks time, then only 25% of doses given need to be second doses to be able to do the 9.2 million that have already had their first dose within 12 weeks from now.

At that rate, we would hit 70% of all adults having had first dose about 9 weeks from now, and if we then switched entirely to giving second doses those would be done to the same level about 17 weeks from now.

Of course it won't happen quite like that, and there is bound to be some problem along the way. And it wouldn't be a good idea to leave second doses until the last minute of 12 weeks after the first, so more than 25% should be allocated to them and perhaps starting a week sooner (e.g. 30% on second doses would not change the 17 weeks estimate and would only move the 9 week estimate to 10 weeks, while hitting those 9.2m with a second dose within about 10 weeks). Lastly, continuing on beyond 70% of adults would extend both estimates but at that point it would just be icing on the cake.

Also, I'm not sure what the plan is for vaccinating children, if any...?
 
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Also, I'm not sure what the plan is for vaccinating children, if any...?
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As of right now, there isn't a plan, at least not in the US. I haven't seen one regarding anything in Europe either. My guess is that they don't have enough information to determine proper dosing in children and are probably worried about long term effects that we just don't know about regarding the vaccine. I believe both Moderna and Pfizer started testing their vaccines on 12 to 17-year-olds back in November/December. The trial is pretty small though and I think it's less than 10,000 patients. I know there's an ethical question raised when it comes to testing things like this on children since they may or may not be able to give informed consent.

I doubt you'll see the vaccine be available for anyone under the age of 12 though. There are some talks about testing 5-11-year-olds, but I haven't seen anything saying there are any immediate plans. If we do start vaccinating kids, it likely won't be until sometime next year.

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In other vaccine news, the Biden administration just announced that vaccines will begin shipping to pharmacies like Walgreen and CVS:

Biden Administration Will Ship COVID-19 Vaccines Directly To Pharmacies

This is huge since it will greatly expand our ability to give the vaccines, however, I think we will quickly run into the problem of supply. I know there isn't a stockpile of vaccines anywhere and I'm not sure how quickly Pfizer and Moderna are manufacturing them. These drug stores will also likely not have the freezer technology for the Pfizer vaccines, so they will more than likely get Moderna. In theory, this means Pfizer doses can be sent to healthcare systems for distribution.

Another worry is the distribution timeline. With the federal government doing the ordering, the supply line will be manufacturer -> federal government -> potentially state/county health department ->pharmacy's main office -> pharmacy storefront. That's a bunch of hoops to jump through, but hopefully, it can be streamlined. Ideally, a company like Walgreens should just be able to place an order with Moderna and get a shipment, but I don't see that happening.

Finally, I'm not sure how these pharmacies are going to adhere to the state/county mandated waves. It seems like it would be a bit rediculous to say "well we have the vaccine but only African Americans between 65-85 can come in and receive it." Chance are it won't be free either. Yes the vaccine itself will be paid for by the federal government, but there's nothing stopping any organization from collecting an administration charge ($20-$50). Right now many healthcare systems are just billing those with insurance and writing off the charges for those who don't, but healthcare systems are not-for/non-profit entities. Drug stores are for-profit entities and I can't see them just giving things away.
 
Joey D
As of right now, there isn't a plan, at least not in the US. I haven't seen one regarding anything in Europe either. My guess is that they don't have enough information to determine proper dosing in children and are probably worried about long term effects that we just don't know about regarding the vaccine. I believe both Moderna and Pfizer started testing their vaccines on 12 to 17-year-olds back in November/December. The trial is pretty small though and I think it's less than 10,000 patients. I know there's an ethical question raised when it comes to testing things like this on children since they may or may not be able to give informed consent.

I doubt you'll see the vaccine be available for anyone under the age of 12 though. There are some talks about testing 5-11-year-olds, but I haven't seen anything saying there are any immediate plans. If we do start vaccinating kids, it likely won't be until sometime next year.
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Thanks. Yes, it isn't just that I haven't heard of a plan, I simply haven't heard anything about it at all! Or even given it much thought... it crossed my mind as I was writing 'adults' in that post. There's no way round there being some risk in the overlap of kids going back to school while 30% or more of adults are still unvaccinated, I guess.

Really hope supply and distribution improves quickly over there. Have they found out what happened to those 20 million doses that were 'lost'?
 
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Have they found out what happened to those 20 million doses that were 'lost'?
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In short, the Trump administration didn't track them properly and some conservative blog tried to pass it off as Biden losing the doses. The vaccines were distributed to states and have probably been administered by now.
 
Joey D
In short, the Trump administration didn't track them properly and some conservative blog tried to pass it off as Biden losing the doses. The vaccines were distributed to states and have probably been administered by now.
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Ah, cool. I wasn't trying to make a political point out of it, had just seen the 20 million bit in our news but not any follow up.
 
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It is quite hard to keep track of things in such a complex situation, especially when combining a global pandemic with unprecedented political turmoil in the USA... so to help clarify things, I've put together a summary of all Donald J. Trump's achievements in combatting the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic below:

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I'm sure it's funny, all I see is a white box. Been have having problems seeing Tweets here too.
And I updated everything on my phone as was recommended previously.
 

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