COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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I started with a question based on personal confusion over these latest developments, and then approached the answers I got with stories that suggest othewise. I don’t really have an argument to defend whatsoever.
Are you implying I watch YouTube videos on this subject, and based on what? I don’t.
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Germany has just introduced tough new restrictions on unvaccinated people (excluding people who have recovered from COVID), effectively banning them from public events, bars and even shops.
I would imagine this will not go down well at all, but I can see more countries following suit in taking harsher measures against those who refuse the vaccines.
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I have my doubts that our Xmas party will go ahead now... there is supposed to be around 30 of us going to an Indian restaurant for lunch, followed by a pub crawl of several local establishments.
Obviously, it was cancelled last year, and this year's event might be a little bit more low-key, though at this rate it might be cancelled altogether. It is scheduled for 17th December...
I would imagine this will not go down well at all, but I can see more countries following suit in taking harsher measures against those who refuse the vaccines.
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I have my doubts that our Xmas party will go ahead now... there is supposed to be around 30 of us going to an Indian restaurant for lunch, followed by a pub crawl of several local establishments.
Obviously, it was cancelled last year, and this year's event might be a little bit more low-key, though at this rate it might be cancelled altogether. It is scheduled for 17th December...
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Denying access to grocery shopping is not humane. I can agree to demanding a negative test and a face mask, but cutting off access to food because people reserve the right to decide over their own bodies. Hitler would be proud.
Like I said, they’ll likely end up going as far as Austria.
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I don't even have to leave my house to get my groceries. Are such services not available there?Denying access to grocery shopping is not humane. I can agree to demanding a negative test and a face mask, but cutting off access to food because people reserve the right to decide over their own bodies. Hitler would be proud.
Like I said, they’ll likely end up going as far as Austria.
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Denying access to grocery shopping is not humane. I can agree to demanding a negative test and a face mask, but cutting off access to food because people reserve the right to decide over their own bodies. Hitler would be proud.
Like I said, they’ll likely end up going as far as Austria.
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Do I honestly need to quote your original point?
No, your point was in regard to how people (as a whole) get information, do you not agree that some get it from youtube and that the much of the anti-vaxx nonsense that exists is spread via it and similar mediums?
What doesn't help however is you throwing in the kind of rhetoric that such sources also resort to,
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That sounds like the consequences to actions taken by individuals then. I suppose they can get vaccinated if they don't want to deal with it. It is free after all.
It also only costs me about $9.99 a month, and I liked doing it long before covid started. More or less the same price as one trip to the store sometimes.
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They’re absolute maniacs.Denying access to grocery shopping is not humane. I can agree to demanding a negative test and a face mask, but cutting off access to food because people reserve the right to decide over their own bodies. Hitler would be proud.
Like I said, they’ll likely end up going as far as Austria.
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If you don’t mind? Originally I asked a question on the need for forcing existing vaccines into people (Austria’s plan) now that doubt is cast over the impact of Omicron. It was answered, and for the time being I accepted the answers I got.
Simultaneously we went off on a tangent, touching on the ethics of forcing vaccines in some countries, on which my standpoint has been made very clear.
What else?
I agree that some people rely on such sources, but there are also sceptics whom simply question the mainstream flows. I’m one of those.
Coincidental. I know that some of them mirror my takes, but personally I tend to find them too extreme for sympathy.
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As a freelancer, my time is billable, and I work a lot in times other people don't, so I'm acutely aware of how much my time actually costs and is worth.
It takes me about an hour to go to the supermarket and buy things, not factoring in fuel and damage to my vehicle from parking near morons and their shopping trollies. To do the shop online takes about 20 minutes, and the delivery cost is - depending on the time slot - in the order of 10 minutes of my billable time.
I do quite like going to a supermarket for a wander, but it costs me an hour to do it as opposed to half an hour to not do it.
Access to food is not "cut off", and this whole "right to decide over their own bodies" spiel trotted out routinely completely misses the point that people don't get the right to decide over other people's bodies...
Without taking every precaution, you cannot be confident that you are not carrying and transmitting a disease that kills 2% of everyone - less if they're younger, more if they're older. Put another way, if there's 200 people in the supermarket you go into and you are carrying it, you're going to kill four of them - but more likely you're going to kill about 50 people over the age of 60, as the people you've infected meet up with their friends, family, and relatives (especially at Christmas), infect them, and they infect each other.
Masks mitigate the risk. Handwashing mitigates the risk. Sanitising the supermarket mitigates the risk. Vaccines mitigate the risk. If each step mitigates the risk by 90%, all four together reduces the risk by 99.999% (the extra 9 is because if you or I wear a mask it's 90%, but if we both do it's 99%).
Of course, supermarkets are private property. You can't whap on about body rights and deny property rights, so they can feel free not to sanitise properly, or make any handwashing available, but demand masks and vaccines. That's 99.9% risk mitigation. Or not demand masks, only vaccination, which is 90% risk mitigation.
The thing people flapping about bodily rights just aren't getting is that up until the pandemic, people weren't usually deadly. You could go about your daily business free from any concern that you might kill everyone in an old people's home. Now you can't - although a lot of people still aren't concerned by it for some reason - because you are a biological weapon. There's a reason we don't allow people to wander around carrying biological weapons.
The fundamental principle of freedom is that you are free to do whatever you want so long as you do not bring harm to other people, denying them the freedom to do whatever they want. Pre-pandemic, you could exist without causing harm to others. Right now, you can't, and that means you don't get to mix with other people without doing as much as you can to prevent it.
This shouldn't need enforcing by law, but the fact so many people just bore on about being allowed to do what they want with their bodies because rights while being completely oblivious to the harm they might bring to others and denying them their rights - because they're selfish, idiotic pricks who don't actually care about or understand rights and just want to do whatever they want and to hell with anyone else - means that it may well end up being that way.
Which sucks for everyone.
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As lon g as you now accept that the new variant is not a reason to stop vaccinations then nothing else.
Which mainstream flows points are you questioning, and what are you using to question it?
And yet you fell foul of Godwin's law, not really a good move if you don't want to be put into the same category.
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I'm currently in a queue at a mosque waiting for my COVID booster. The old lady in front of me is so old, I think she might be here for her Spanish Flu booster...
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Based on my own perception if things, and I don’t say this to come across arrogant. I believe the pandemic has been given way too much attention for being a corona disease. These things existed before 2019, albeit in different forms. This may be more contagious but only marginally more lethal, so the implications of fighting it have gotten far worse than the disease itself.
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It's the deadliest disease in American history, but it gets too much attention.
Edit: Amongst the 12 most deadliest viruses.
www.livescience.com
Edit: Amongst the 12 most deadliest viruses.
The deadliest viruses in history
These are the 12 most lethal viruses, based on their mortality rates or the number of people they have killed.
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Not even close to the same ballpark as reality. Also the fun part about the seasonal 'flu you're about to bring up is... you transmitted it while symptomatic. COVID-19 has non-symptomatic transmission. Nice try though.
Yeah, there's never been a mass 'flu vaccination program anywhere in the world ever.
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Which I find odd because I'm betting the cost of not driving there multiple times a month would offset the cost of actually doing the delivery service and/or subscribing to that service.
I do my groceries at least once a week, sometimes just 2 times a month if I push, just because of vegetable and fruit shelf life. Paying 10 bucks a month is nothing compared to the times I'd have to drive out to a store that many times.
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Which people have been told to take into account, but arguably not sufficiently. Later this evening I’ll bring my biological being to the supermarket. I’ll wear a face mask, not to mention buy some new ones because this is my last mask and I never reuse them. I’ll sanitize my hands before entering the store, and generally avoid coming close to other people (part of the reason why I go later than usual). However, I’m sure I’ll come across two or three vaccinated individuals who don’t care much about distancing and somehow will manage to scratch their eyelids after having touched a handle. In that case they will likely pose more danger than me, as I consciously try to adjust myself for having gotten none. Like I said, behavioural education has unfulfilled potential, but criminally overlooked because vaccines.
Besides, why deny some people physical access to supermarkets in Germany, when nothing stops vaccinated people from buying alchohol and getting drunk together. It will always be an uphill battle under such illogical circumstances.
Hmm, in my country it was primarily recommended to people over the age of 60. Hardly qualifies as mass vaccination.
You’re probably right about that.
I always walk to collect groceries, unless I can combine it with more distant errands.
I really don’t know how much it costs here, but it’s not cheap. Between 2002 and 2005 I worked in a supermarket, and virtually no one but physically challenged elders called for deliveries. I think that says much about how much people are charged for it around here.
