Create your own Cars and Tracks

[Exorcet]

Wrong. If you publish a Game with User created Content you have to Look After license Problems.

You can use the Content on your own, but if the Game/Publisher integrate that into the Game it will be their Content and they would Face Problems with the Law.

And they integrate the Content if you can Share it to other People.

Especially by Cars and Tracks. Sony did a Track generator instead of a Track Editor. The Editor was planed.

You have to Get license for everything. A Livery Editor isn't that easy.
But it is easier, because Livery is advertisment and the Most Racing Teams are happy about it. But Create Real Cars? They dont like it at all.

What if a Porsche would Drive really Bad? Bad advertisment. They only want their Real Cars with Real Data in the Game.

It isn't that Easy.

Source? Developer.

This doesn't make sense at all. You have a source? Can we see it?

PD has no need for a license to make either a track editor or car editor. Neither of those things requires licenses from anyone, nor do they require anything related to Porsche.

A livery editor doesn't require any such thing either, only using manufactuerer logos does. Being able to share doesn't mean anything either.

 

[F1]

This doesn't make sense at all. You have a source? Can we see it?

PD has no need for a license to make either a track editor or car editor. Neither of those things requires licenses from anyone, nor do they require anything related to Porsche.

A livery editor doesn't require any such thing either, only using manufactuerer logos does. Being able to share doesn't mean anything either.

Read it again. Doesn't take a genius to understand what he is saying

 

[Tornado]

Wrong. If you publish a Game with User created Content you have to Look After license Problems.

You can use the Content on your own, but if the Game/Publisher integrate that into the Game it will be their Content and they would Face Problems with the Law.

And they integrate the Content if you can Share it to other People.

If this was even remotely true, Forza wouldn't have a livery editor. Because there is no sliding scale like you purport.


Either a livery editor is against the law and Microsoft should be sued for distributing user-created content which has licenced things used without being licenced, or Sony wouldn't be responsible for user-created content (which is probably why publishers of games with user-created content say that they are not legally responsible for it).

Read it again. Doesn't take a genius to understand what he is saying

Oh? Well now, then I'm sure you could explain it for us then. That way you could, you know, actually contribute to the discussion.

I don't think that there should be a 'create your own car' section because polyphony digital have tried to make gt5 as realistic as possible, and have done a very good job at doing that. If there was a 'create your own car' section it would undo all of there work and turn it into quite an unrealistic game.

GT5 is loaded with imaginary cars. Loaded. This argument is not valid.

 

[ch3ng]

If this was even remotely true, Forza wouldn't have a livery editor. Because there is no sliding scale like you purport.
.

If i remind correct you will be banned if you Build a 100% (that is important 100% Not Almost 100%) replica of a Car Design.

And as i said Livery Editor is advertisment and the Decal Design is owned by Racing Teams. They dont want a "Law Fight" with MS or Sony, etc. Because sometimes MS and Sony are Sponsors.

BUT. It is a complete different Thing with Cars. Manufacture dont want a Car made by a "noob".
The Racing Developer has to license all the Content they use in the Game.

Anyway i keep this Short now. I use Sony, GT as an example.

If a User created Content and ONLY uses it privat -> legal and Sony isn't involved

If the User Shared the Content with other ist is illegal. If the Publisher made a ingame sharing Thing or helped the User to Create this illegal Content with a Software or editor ...

-> ilegal. Sony helped and they acted against the Law too.

Source: Developer

Sry can't Name him or her

Sry my english is Bad.

This doesn't make sense at all. You have a source? Can we see it?

PD has no need for a license to make either a track editor or car editor. Neither of those things requires licenses from anyone, nor do they require anything related to Porsche.

A livery editor doesn't require any such thing either, only using manufactuerer logos does. Being able to share doesn't mean anything either.

Yes a Editor dont Need a license, but the created replica does if you Share it. If you make ist Public.

Why they Pay for a license and talk months with the owner?

They could integrate a Editor for Cars and Tracks. The PD Developer would Create the Content at home and as a privat User (as dingdong32 for example) They would save alot of Money.

They dont do it because its illegal.

 

[Exorcet]

Read it again. Doesn't take a genius to understand what he is saying

I understand and I addressed it.

If i remind correct you will be banned if you Build a 100% (that is important 100% Not Almost 100%) replica of a Car Design.

There are billions of these all over Forza. First thing I did in the FM3 market was look for an exact replica of the Viper GTS-R '99 from LeMans.

Turn 10 even has a filter called "replicas" for exact replicas. Users can make whatever they want.

It is a complete different Thing with Cars. Manufacture dont want a Car made by a "noob".

Can you prove this? What about the source you talked about before.

If a User created Content and ONLY uses it privat -> legal and Sony isn't involved

If the User Shared the Content with other ist is illegal. If the Publisher made a ingame sharing Thing or helped the User to Create this illegal Content with a Software or editor ...

-> ilegal. Sony helped and they acted against the Law too.

Just need to look at Forza, or really anything with UGC. It's not illegal to share. Why would it be? The reason why Sony or PD need licenses for car is because they are profiting from the use of another entities' name. No one is profiting when a player creates a look alike. If the player tried to charge money for the look alike, or PD tried to use it as pay for content, that would be illegal.

Even better example is probably Little Big Planet. That game had a better rendition of Top Gear than GT5 did, and it was completely user created. There are also 1,000's of clones of other games, none illegal.

Source: Developer

Sry can't Name him or her

Anymore detail than this? What company does this person work for? For how long? What part of development is he or she involved in?

Yes a Editor dont Need a license, but the created replica does if you Share it. If you make ist Public.

Why they Pay for a license and talk months with the owner?

So you can use the owner's product to promote your own product. Also so that people don't have to create it and that players could be assured of its accuracy.

 

[ch3ng]

There are billions of these all over Forza. First thing I did in the FM3 market was look for an exact replica of the Viper GTS-R '99 from LeMans.

Turn 10 even has a filter called "replicas" for exact replicas. Users can make whatever they want.

I know. But are they 100% Real? I Doubt it.

Do the Racing Teams which own the Design know Forza/GT? Maybe

This is advertisment and Most Racing Teams dont want to "Fight" with MS or other huge companys.

I am sure the FIA would do it if Forza uses F1 replica, but they can't because it doesnt have F1 Cars.
MS would Talk with the Racing Teams about a license for the Livery..... Maybe they have?

Just need to look at Forza, or really anything with UGC. It's not illegal to share. Why would it be?

It is illegal, but the Racing Teams dont care.

The reason why Sony or PD need licenses for car is because they are profiting from the use of another entities' name. No one is profiting when a player creates a look alike. If the player tried to charge money for the look alike, or PD tried to use it as pay for content, that would be illegal.

If the User created 100% replica of Porsche Cars for GT5. Sony and PD would profiting and that is illegal. Turn10, MS, EA, Porsche would "Law the hell" Out of Sony.

As i Said ... You can't compare Track and car Editor with a Livery Editor.

 

[Exorcet]

I am sure the FIA would do it if Forza uses F1 replica, but they can't because it doesnt have F1 Cars.
MS would Talk with the Racing Teams about a license for the Livery..... Maybe they have?

Forza 3 had NASCAR cars. They didn't have any license for NASCAR liveries.

 

[Ryk]

Part of me would love to see tracks built by people that are passionate about the tracks.

Some of the tracks made by the players of Grand Prix Legends are - lets be fair pretty basic but some of the others are true Virtual Museums to past motor racing venues.


Clermont Ferrand
Monsanto Park
Solitude
Amaroo Park
Wigram Airfield
East London
Riverside
Reims
Cadwell Park
Montjuich
Monza with the bumpy banking

What developer would put the time and effort into putting together a collection of tracks that are remote or some American has built a Shopping Mall over...

Letting creative people express their love of motorsport has the chance of enriching everyones virtual racing experience.

I'd never heard of Dundrod - but one man put a ton of effort making the track (And in GPL that is a case of slide rules and log tables.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5UruNK4AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igpT7e7ZuqU

If it got to be a "Community favourite" then who knows maybe the PD team could take the track and give it a bit of polish to bring it up to "Kaz Approved".

Problem is Popular doesn't mean best. And one issue is multiple versions of the same track. Generally though people collaborated together to make some stunning renditions for a game that is now 14..15 years old.

The problem I see is that GT is a console game, and hand crafting a trakc needs alot of fine detail work... a dedeicated programs to let you build 3d objects, create textures, teach the AI where to race... and were never ever to race.

I hope that the effort GT4/5 has put into the photomode is just to get the trakc builders practice in making very detailed areas... so that GT6/7 has got tracks that are that eyewateringly pretty and make real life seem a bit flat dirty and dull in comparison. (Give me that Blue pill Morpheus)

 

[ch3ng]

Forza 3 had NASCAR cars. They didn't have any license for NASCAR liveries.

As i Said earlier:

It is illegal, but the Racing Teams dont care.

If the User created 100% replica of Porsche Cars for GT5. Sony and PD would profiting and that is illegal. Turn10, MS, EA, Porsche would "Law the hell" Out of Sony.

As i Said ... You can't compare Track and car Editor with a Livery Editor

 

[Exorcet]

My mistake, I got mixed up with NASCAR's license model.

Though, your argument doesn't apply exactly since Porsche or whoever can't sue for UGC. I'm pretty sure that despite not having F1 cars, there are F1 liveries in Forza. GT3's fake F1 cars were also based on real F1's, and even if Porsche could sue it would be easy enough to keep the likeness of a Porsche cars out of the game.

Though out of curiosity, what do you think happens if someone makes a GT livery in Forza?

 

[ch3ng]

Though out of curiosity, what do you think happens if someone makes a GT livery in Forza?

Nothing. Sony and MS are Partner. Just Look at Vaio with a Windows Deal.

Not only Porsche all Manufacture wouldn't allow that.

If you Create a F1 replica for a Aston Martin for example... The FIA can't do anything, because it is not a F1 Ferrari with Real Livery.

If you use non license Labels like "Adidas" for example it would be illegal.

And btw Livery Editor are a different topic it would be a waste of Time, Money to sue Sony, MS for User liveries.

Notic: Most of the companies will not react if a Livery is illegal, but that doesnt mean that they could react.

 

[Ravicale]

There are porsche replicas in modnation racers, A @#$%^ING KART RACING GAME THAT WOULD SHOW THEM AS BOUNCY CARS OF EQUAL PERFORMANCE TO OTHER KARTS.

 

[ch3ng]

There are porsche replicas in modnation racers, A @#$%^ING KART RACING GAME THAT WOULD SHOW THEM AS BOUNCY CARS OF EQUAL PERFORMANCE TO OTHER KARTS.

Aha. I dont know a Real Porsche Kart. And Mod Nation Racer is far far away from Reality.

---> Doesnt count and is Not what we Discuss.

 

[Exorcet]

Nothing. Sony and MS are Partner. Just Look at Vaio with a Windows Deal.

Cooperating on one thing does not make them partners. They are competitors.

Lockheed and Boeing codeveloped the F-22, but that didn't stop Boeing from discounting the F-35 vs their own competing products.

If EA would sue PD for UGC Porsche replicas, it would only make sense for PD to sue MS for having GT user content in their games.

If you use non license Labels like "Adidas" for example it would be illegal.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7070/6902977027_28af1c2619_z.jpg

Notic: Most of the companies will not react if a Livery is illegal, but that doesnt mean that they could react.

You're kind of speaking for others here. McDonalds sues people for using their own last names because they think that anything that even has "Mc" in it belongs to them. All these companies aren't going to sit there and not care if someone is using their name illegally.

 

[ch3ng]

Cooperating on one thing does not make them partners. They are competitors.

Lockheed and Boeing codeveloped the F-22, but that didn't stop Boeing from discounting the F-35 vs their own competing products.

If EA would sue PD for UGC Porsche replicas, it would only make sense for PD to sue MS for having GT user content in their games.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7070/6902977027_28af1c2619_z.jpg

You're kind of speaking for others here. McDonalds sues people for using their own last names because they think that anything that even has "Mc" in it belongs to them. All these companies aren't going to sit there and not care if someone is using their name illegally.

You compare Car replica with Livery again. This isn't the Same.

What do you want to Proof? It is ilegal. And you can be banned by MS if you make Copyright Content.

Sony will do Nothing if you find Sony Livery in Forza, because you can find Xbox Label in LBP and they want to Add a Livery Editor to GT.
Sony would own them self, if the do something against Sony liveries in Forza.

....

One Word to Livery Editor: Advertisment

Why? Because it doesnt influence the Gameplay and is always Free advertisment.

But this is Not possible with Editor that can influence Things in a Bad Way.

Especially Car and Track replica.

For example a User created a Car which Looks like a Koenigsegg but Drives like a Bobby car...

 

[eran0004]

Before you laugh your a** off from this idea let me explain a little further. I am under the impression that Polyphony Digital is using AutoDesk products to model there cars and tracks. This software is available to students currently enrolled in most universities. I was wondering if it might be possible to help Polyphony design dlc cars and tracks through us, the users. If it is possible to transfer data and design cars and tracks that do not require special licenses then think of the possiblities! Who needs a livery editor when we can completely model our own cars and tracks. Any thoughts or suggestions?

I don't laugh my a** off , but I don't think this will happen, and I certainly hope it wont. If you think about the quality aspects, each new car released by PD has a quality mark, they wouldn't release a sub-standard model. If you open up for user generated content, you don't have any guarantees at all. There would be a few really good models, but a lot of crap. Most models would probably look like standard cars - at best. And then you have the entire interior modelling, and all the sounds and characteristics of each car. Chance is pretty small that an ace modeller would also be an ace programmer and be able to accurately program the characteristics of a car. And if that was the case, no one would do all that work for free. Also, the game would end up being more diverse than it already is (in a bad way). Suddently you don't have two quality standards of cars, you end up with hundreds of different standards.

Livery editor I think would be a great addition, because in real life anyone could paint a car. It's also much easier to do a good job than when dealing with an entire model.

I think and I hope that PD will keep taking care of all modelling jobs in the future. There are good amateur modelers out there, but:
1. They would never do it for free, not on this scale.
2. For every skilled modeller, there are a thousand not so skilled.

 

[Exorcet]

You compare Car replica with Livery again. This isn't the Same.

You plainly said that things related Adidas would be illegal.

"If you use non license Labels like "Adidas" for example it would be illegal."

Yet on Forza's own website, there is Adidas content

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/4134974.aspx

Sony will do Nothing if you find Sony Livery in Forza, because you can find Xbox Label in LBP and they want to Add a Livery Editor to GT.
Sony would own them self, if the do something against Sony liveries in Forza.

OK, part of this is the English, which you said isn't your first language, but I don't think what you're trying to say makes sense.

Why didn't Sony just not allow Xbox anything in LBP in the first place? If what you said is true, they should have made it illegal to have any MS based content in the game.

One Word to Livery Editor: Advertisment

Why? Because it doesnt influence the Gameplay and is always Free advertisment.

But this is Not possible with Editor that can influence Things in a Bad Way.

You mean like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=girZP88oylE

http://n4g.com/news/44417/xbox-360-red-ring-of-death-inspires-forza-2-artwork/com#c-242642

Or, something I don't have a photo of, but someone I know made an "anti-Xbox" car in Forza 3 with Playstation logos and crossed out Xbox symbols all over it. You can do far worse things with a livery editor than a car creator.

For example a User created a Car which Looks like a Koenigsegg but Drives like a Bobby car...

No one from Koenigsegg would care, nor would they be able to do anything about it. And if they did/could, PD could very easily create a system where you could not get "exact" likeness of another car as you call it. See Sega GT's car maker.

I don't laugh my a** off , but I don't think this will happen, and I certainly hope it wont. If you think about the quality aspects, each new car released by PD has a quality mark, they wouldn't release a sub-standard model. If you open up for user generated content, you don't have any guarantees at all. There would be a few really good models, but a lot of crap. Most models would probably look like standard cars - at best. And then you have the entire interior modelling, and all the sounds and characteristics of each car. Chance is pretty small that an ace modeller would also be an ace programmer and be able to accurately program the characteristics of a car. And if that was the case, no one would do all that work for free. Also, the game would end up being more diverse than it already is (in a bad way). Suddently you don't have two quality standards of cars, you end up with hundreds of different standards.

Livery editor I think would be a great addition, because in real life anyone could paint a car. It's also much easier to do a good job than when dealing with an entire model.

I think and I hope that PD will keep taking care of all modelling jobs in the future. There are good amateur modelers out there, but:
1. They would never do it for free, not on this scale.
2. For every skilled modeller, there are a thousand not so skilled.

I can't really agree. There are 10000000000000000000000 ways to make a car creator.

First of all, the more power the users the have the better. It doesn't matter how terrible the worst cars will look as people would simply ignore them.

But ignoring that, there is no reason why PD would have to make it such that players would need to build a car one polygon at a time. Again, see Sega GT. It would probably be literally impossible to make a car that looked like a standard car with the kind of editor that GT would most likely release. Whether you would find them attractive or not is a different story, but surely there are some real cars in the game that people find ugly, and it's not just because of polygon count.

 

[Ravicale]

I would like a course creator like the one in MNR (obviously less cartoony), its efficient and fun

 

[kieran177]

I want to make rallycross circuits. We should have a option to have gravel or tarmac or even snow on different sections.

 

[ch3ng]

You plainly said that things related Adidas would be illegal.

"If you use non license Labels like "Adidas" for example it would be illegal."

Yet on Forza's own website, there is Adidas content

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/4134974.aspx

Maybe MS made a Deal with other companies? We dont know.
Did you notice that companies like MS, Sony,... Do illegal Things? Not ?

You dont understand One Thing. It is a huge differents Beetween do somethings against illegal Content or ignore it.

I Give you an example:

I was in germany to meet a friend. He complained about the New "AGB" ... It is a Agreement if you want to use the PSN...
Sony Said that you can't sue them anymore of you agree them.
That is illegal. In Germany the "AGB" can't supress the rights of the Customer.

And it is advertisment.
Even "ROD" is advertisment, because you Talk about the product and some would defend it. The complete "Fanboy war" is efficient and Free advertisment.

And i want to Add something to LBP:

Do you know what Turn10 and LBP Developer would have to do if the delete all "illegal" content?
They can't develop a New game. And if Sony sue MS, because they dont want Free advertisment. Ms would sue for Xbox Label in LBP.

Believe it or not i dont care. Seriosly. It is illegal.

Hey Porsche, Koenigsegg,... could be in GT if the Create a Car Editor. A PD staff could Create the content privat and Add it to the Game...

Or make a Full Track Editor and Not a simple Track Generator...

Wait... They dontd do it.... Why? Because they can't and it is still illegal.

 

[Guardian]

Well, the thing is, I personally don't have the time/patience to sit and develop a CAD-Car. And I certainly don't want to pay for Cars that any of you have designed (absolutely no offence meaant, it's just that I'd rather pay for stuff that is, as it was put, 'quality checked').

I'm still massively hoping for the Livery-Editor though.

 

[cooldawn]

Yeah...I thought about this too. As people mentioned it could open the floodgates and PD don't need that type of distraction.

PD could provide there own 'parts' that could be resized to fit on to different types of chassis using anchor points.

I honestly think it's the same reason Course Maker is as basic as it is. I mean if they did provide full tools to create circuits can you imagine the amount of replicas of real tracks that would hit the service. I don't think PD would want to allow people making tracks...that's something they want to control and it's not hard to understand why.

 

[Exorcet]

Maybe MS made a Deal with other companies? We dont know.
Did you notice that companies like MS, Sony,... Do illegal Things? Not ?

If they do, they usually get called out. LG was going to sue Sony over Bluray or something a little while ago.

I was in germany to meet a friend. He complained about the New "AGB" ... It is a Agreement if you want to use the PSN...
Sony Said that you can't sue them anymore of you agree them.
That is illegal. In Germany the "AGB" can't supress the rights of the Customer.

Can't say I know much about this, so I can't respond at the moment.

And it is advertisment.
Even "ROD" is advertisment, because you Talk about the product and some would defend it. The complete "Fanboy war" is efficient and Free advertisment.

Then, making Porsche cars with 5 hp would be advertising, because then you could start a fan war around that.

And i want to Add something to LBP:

Do you know what Turn10 and LBP Developer would have to do if the delete all "illegal" content?
They can't develop a New game. And if Sony sue MS, because they dont want Free advertisment. Ms would sue for Xbox Label in LBP.

If that's the case, then no one has anything to worry about because "illegal" activities apparently aren't strong enough to stop game development. And sure they could develop new games, at worst, and only if what you were saying was true, Forza would just cut the livery editor or limited to much more general designs.

Hey Porsche, Koenigsegg,... could be in GT if the Create a Car Editor. A PD staff could Create the content privat and Add it to the Game...

That would be perfectly OK because there would be no official Porsche presence in the game.

Illegal would be:

Porsche dealership selling Porsche models and PD advertising that Porsche is in the game.

Legal would be:

No Porsche dealership or models that ship with the game or come as DLC, and a lack of PD advertising that Porsche is in the game. Having a car creator that allows you to make Porsche duplicates would be OK. Having a car creator that prevents you from making Porsche duplicates would be OK even if User generated Porsche were not OK.

Or make a Full Track Editor and Not a simple Track Generator...

Wait... They dontd do it.... Why?

Lack of time or money or resources or desire or research or development or underestimating the desire or because they're stubborn. They didn't do it, and we don't know why.

 

[ch3ng]

Can't say I know much about this, so I can't respond at the moment.

The AGB topic is 100% True. Sony did something illegal there.

Then, making Porsche cars with 5 hp would be advertising, because then you could start a fan war around that.

Thats the Point. You compare Livery Editor with Car Editor again. This is your Problems.

That would be perfectly OK because there would be no official Porsche presence in the game.

Illegal would be:

Porsche dealership selling Porsche models and PD advertising that Porsche is in the game.

Legal would be:

No Porsche dealership or models that ship with the game or come as DLC, and a lack of PD advertising that Porsche is in the game. Having a car creator that allows you to make Porsche duplicates would be OK. Having a car creator that prevents you from making Porsche duplicates would be OK even if User generated Porsche were not OK.

... .... ....

Lack of time or money or resources or desire or research or development or underestimating the desire or because they're stubborn. They didn't do it, and we don't know why.

Lol. Do you think all license cost less than a stupid Car Editor?
We know why because it is Not allowed and illegal. Only you dont know why

 

[Tornado]

I was in germany to meet a friend. He complained about the New "AGB" ... It is a Agreement if you want to use the PSN...
Sony Said that you can't sue them anymore of you agree them.
That is illegal. In Germany the "AGB" can't supress the rights of the Customer.

That's not illegal. That is unenforceable. There is a difference.

Thats the Point. You compare Livery Editor with Car Editor again. This is your Problems.

No. It is your problem, because you either have no idea what you are talking about or you are doing a terrible job explaining it. Licencing is licencing. There's no arbitrary line in the sand that makes a livery editor loaded with unlicenced logos and decals legal and a car editor with unlicenced cars illegal, and repeating yourself ad nauseum that there is doesn't make it any more true.


And no, your "free advertising" schtick that you claim causes the difference doesn't change anything either, because that also rests on arbitrary definitions and that also doesn't change the legality of things. If someone uses something without licencing it, and I don't take efforts to stop them, than it makes no difference whatsoever whether or not it is legal or not. That's how civil law works. And at the same time, Microsoft would NOT open themselves up to potential lawsuits from thousands of corporations, so the civil liability clearly isn't on their shoulders in the first place.

 

[ch3ng]

No. It is your problem, because you don't either have no idea what you are talking about or you are doing a terrible job explaining it.

maybe i explain it bad

Licencing is licencing.

I know.

There's no arbitrary line in the sand that makes a livery editor loaded with unlicenced logos and decals legal and a car editor with unlicenced cars illegal, and repeating yourself ad nauseum that there is doesn't make it any more true.

I Never Said something like that. I know license is a license.

It is a difference Between do something against it or do Nothing because you ...
a) dont care
B) dont know. Forza and GT are Not known by everybody
c) dont want to waste Time with a "Law Fight" against MS/Sony.
d) ...

Microsoft would NOT open themselves up to potential lawsuits from thousands of corporations, so the civil liability clearly isn't on their shoulders in the first place.

We dont know what they so behind the scene. Maybe they made some Agreements? etc.

Most of the companies clear Things without the Law and behind the Scenes.

And if a companie sue MS...
They can say and do the Same Thing as youtube for example.
"UPS Sry our fault... We will delete the content."

Only Thing i can say is that Manufacture are not happy about a unlicense Car and a user generated 100% real replica and they would do something against it. While other companies ... well... Are Not interessted or Not that interested.

Turn10 delete Content if a company Report a unlicense Car
Same with LBP. I can't find the Source anymore, but Turn10 and/or LBP mentioned something.

And i have a Developer how Said that.

PD wanted to do a Track Editor, but they only did a Generator instead. Think about that

Notic: Law is different in every country. That is One reason why we will not find One opinion or solution. And we dont know what Deals or license T10 have. Not every license will be Discuss in the public. Or not every unofficial Agreement.

I will Not Write my opinion again for this topic Because i can't explain it Good Enough... My english is Not Good Enough. I understand everything but can't write Good..

 

[deep_sky]

PD wanted to do a Track Editor, but they only did a Generator instead. Think about that

They did a generator because Kaz thinks we are all too stupid to use to a full track editor. “[A full editor] really requires a complete CG tool, which would limit the number of users who could use it.”

Which really shows that they were going about designing one all wrong, as V-Rally 2 had an amazing track editor. Powerful, but simple to use.

Someone should send Kaz a copy...

 

[analog]

They did a generator because Kaz thinks we are all too stupid to use to a full track editor. “[A full editor] really requires a complete CG tool, which would limit the number of users who could use it.

The one in ModNationRacers is pretty comprehensive, allows an enormous amount of creative freedom and is very easy to use by anyone.
Not sure why they implemented the course creator as a generating device and not more like the one in MNR (I'm guessing technical limitations of some sort) but us being stupid wasn't a consideration I assume.

 

[Ravicale]

The one in ModNationRacers is pretty comprehensive, allows an enormous amount of creative freedom and is very easy to use by anyone.
Not sure why they implemented the course creator as a generating device and not more like the one in MNR (I'm guessing technical limitations of some sort) but us being stupid wasn't a consideration I assume.

Not to mention, he made it a generator because of time constraints.

OT: The track editor in MNR is beast

 

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Not to mention, he made it a generator because of time constraints.

Have you got any proof of this?

It's seems quite obvious from Kaz's statement that they had a full editor up and running - or at the very least had deeply explored the possibility - but decided against it because he thinks we're all stupid a full editor "would limit the number of users who could use it.”

This shows that the way they went about designing one was flawed, as as has been mentioned, creating a full track editor need not be complicated for the end user.