CSR-E wheel overrated? Or just not that great on GT5?

@ chosenwonton, excellent thread thank you for starting it.
Lots of very pertinent comment and valuable information.
When I switch from DFGT to Fanatec Carrera it was not what I expected either, Better but not by a mile,
reading this thread, I decided that I would have to be able to try the CSR.E before buying one
I only play GT5.
 
Frank Fox
Well Carrera is in the same range as DFGT so you shouldn't have noticed any major difference.
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Same range in what way?
Carrera feels like a real wheel, as many possible adjustement, offers clutch and 6 speed H shifter. Seems to me more comparable to G27 than DGGT.
 
mykem
Is "shruggs" the same as shrug or shrugged which means- "
to raise and contract (the shoulders), expressing indifference, disdain, etc."
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Yeah im not good at finding the right word for it...

It feels like there are a few "speedbumps" the belts have to go over right after turning the wheel.
- Could be its caused by too much force feedback making the belt slip over the notches?
- Could also be its some effect the wheel is trying to communicate, as it feels like the tires are under too much friction while turning the wheels..


Going all out for describing it: Place the tip of your middle finger softly on a table and gently push your hand forwards. Your finger wont just glide/slilde forwards; it will kinda bounce / stutter forwards. thats what it feels like.

Hope that describes it... ;)
 
Can anyone advise me, I own both GT5 and Forza 4 and will probably get Forza Horizon as well, I currently have seperate G25 and Microsoft wheels and want to get a wheel that will support both games.

What I'm trying to determine is the difference between a CSR and an a CSR Elite from a G25. I quite like the G25, is the CSR equivalent or better to a G25? If it is worse than maybe I need to look at the CSR Elite.

The CSR wheel alone is $399 in Australia and the CSR-E is $899 which is a significant difference. Is there any difference in the actual wheel grip either between the wheels? I have heard both are largely plastic but is one more plastic?
 
hugo24
Can anyone advise me, I own both GT5 and Forza 4 and will probably get Forza Horizon as well, I currently have seperate G25 and Microsoft wheels and want to get a wheel that will support both games.

What I'm trying to determine is the difference between a CSR and an a CSR Elite from a G25. I quite like the G25, is the CSR equivalent or better to a G25? If it is worse than maybe I need to look at the CSR Elite.

The CSR wheel alone is $399 in Australia and the CSR-E is $899 which is a significant difference. Is there any difference in the actual wheel grip either between the wheels? I have heard both are largely plastic but is one more plastic?
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Yes, GT5 and CSR are in the same league. Having owned multiple fanatec and logitech prodcuts, I would say the fanatec's are just naturally better than their logitech equivalent's. I went from a G27 to a GT2 and it was much much better. But if it was possible at all for you to get a CSR elite, do it! It's in a completely different league than the CSR and G25. Head and shoulders and another head and another pair of shoulders above them.



amar212
I can't comment on the firmware since I am using 721 ATM, but here are CSRE settings that I successfully use on all PS3 games - especially on GT5 - and I will also explain some details for each one:

SEN OFF | FF 80 | SHO 70 | DRI 001 | ABS 50 | LIN 0 | DEA 0 | SPR 0 | DPR 0 |

Sensitivity setting for all PS3 games should be always set to OFF. With "OFF" setting, wheel takes the original "SEN" setting from the game (in the case of GT it is 900 degrees) and does not force artificial steering degree. Result is 1:1 linearity ratio. There *could* be a slight offset of the actual wheel once you set the Sensitivity to OFF (maybe 0,5 degree) but that offset is irrelevant and can also by corrected with *centering* feature available in "---" mode. SEN OFF is the only way to go.

FF80 is more than enough in order to get all the feel you need from your car. Going to 100 as you do will not do any good. You will get too "saturated" FFB effect and loose all details and nuances in both wheel and in-game feel of the physics. I use FFB in-game setting of 8 (Simulation mode, Power Steering Off in in-game options, G25 profiler) and 80% provides me with the best compromise of strength and feel of the tyres.

I run SHOCK on 70 because higher settings tends to shake the wheel too much over the kerbs for my feel and I do not like when I can't *feel* the direction of the kerbs.

DRIFT setting is important one for PS3 IMO because it actually removes a bit of motor-dampening and makes wheel faster at countersteering through hands (when wheel *corrects* itself with added acceleration, as in real life). I use only 1 (2 and 3 have tendency to lighten FFB effect too much) and DRI1 setting gives me best feel.
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So you run low FFB because otherwise it makes the wheel too strong, but then run low drift because otherwise it makes the wheel too light?

Why not just run high FFB and high drift? That's what most people do and what fanatec recommends...
 
I just upgraded from a g25 to csr-e and its not a 500$ leap but it is smoother and its nice to be able to play games on all consoles. Surprisingly i think gt5 feels better on the csre than it does in forza4 because of the extra vibrations when gassing that the wheel provides unrelated to the in game vibration signals. In forza4 however the game controls all the vibrations so it feels so stale compred to gt5 where you feel the rumble of your engine everytime you floor it
 
You can get the engine vibration in Forza by simply turn the "ABS" setting on the wheel to off.
 
Just turned ABS to OFF which it was already OFF and no difference in Forza4, still no vibration when pressing the accelerator.

Also question how does the clutch work in Forza4, it seems like this is an insane lag between shifts, eg I press clutch put it into gear release clutch, Forza4 shows it in N then changes the gear for you. I do have it on Simulation steering, Manual/Clutch mode
MildAshers
You can get the engine vibration in Forza by simply turn the "ABS" setting on the wheel to off.
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Be sure Vibration is turned on in the options in Forza and also make sure Vibration is turned on in Preferences (located in settings) on your Xbox
 
newbielives
I just upgraded from a g25 to csr-e and its not a 500$ leap but it is smoother and its nice to be able to play games on all consoles. Surprisingly i think gt5 feels better on the csre than it does in forza4 because of the extra vibrations when gassing that the wheel provides unrelated to the in game vibration signals. In forza4 however the game controls all the vibrations so it feels so stale compred to gt5 where you feel the rumble of your engine everytime you floor it
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But why would you want that? Whenever I play GT5 with a fanatec I have to turn that stupid vibration thing off because it's so fake and unrealistic.
 
I always play with FF on max and i think it feels great especailly how it blends with the actual feedback being sent by gt5.
Goshin2568
But why would you want that? Whenever I play GT5 with a fanatec I have to turn that stupid vibration thing off because it's so fake and unrealistic.
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newbielives
I always play with FF on max and i think it feels great especailly how it blends with the actual feedback being sent by gt5.
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Yes. FFB wheel setting is just maximum FFB limiter and if you have anything other than 100% in that, you will have narrower range of effects and less detail.
 
I want to thank thechosenwonton for this thread. I had the same issues with my CSR-E on GT5. And because nobody else did feel the same I was thinking that I had the wrong settings (in game and on the wheel) when playing GT5. Now I know that it is definately the problem of GT5 and not the wheel. When I switch from FM4 to GT5 I miss all those informations I get on my hands in FM4. Maybe it is because GT5 has no offical support for Fanatec products and they have to emulate Logitech products?
 
Anyone with a $500+ wheel (or any wheel for that matter) owes it to themselves to at least try a PC racing sim. You don't have to have a crazy PC to run iRacing, rFactor, NetKar Pro, Live For Speed, etc, etc. Once you get into those PC racing you'll really see what your wheel can do.
 
tomcat66
I want to thank thechosenwonton for this thread. I had the same issues with my CSR-E on GT5. And because nobody else did feel the same I was thinking that I had the wrong settings (in game and on the wheel) when playing GT5. Now I know that it is definately the problem of GT5 and not the wheel. When I switch from FM4 to GT5 I miss all those informations I get on my hands in FM4. Maybe it is because GT5 has no offical support for Fanatec products and they have to emulate Logitech products?
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You just have to except that FM4 has much better FFB. That's a game issue, not a wheel issue.
 
A thought/question on FFB detail:
The method for FFB reduction within the Fanatec on-wheel" adjustments is to clip the force at a percentage threshold (sonac has a great thread on this at the Fanatec fan forum). It does not actually reduce the FFB but limits what the maximum can be. At first this seemed a little "wrong" as I thought would be better to lower the whole range. Thinking a little further, and in sympathy of the OP's point, this feature would seem to counter the original complaint.

If you were to INCREASE the FFB out put in GT5 and then REDUCE the FFB on the wheel, the "small stuff" would be amplified, but the big and often unnatural stuff would be limited to the max set by the Fanatec limiter. Make sense?

Unfortunately I don't have a CSR-E (yet) to try this out, but it would be interesting if someone could provide some feedback.
 
I feel the total opposite i wished forza 4 felt as glod as gt5
tomcat66
I want to thank thechosenwonton for this thread. I had the same issues with my CSR-E on GT5. And because nobody else did feel the same WI was thinking that I had the wrong settings (in game and on the wheel) when playing GT5. Now I know that it is definately the problem of GT5 and not the wheel. When I switch from FM4 to GT5 I miss all those informations I get on my hands in FM4. Maybe it is because GT5 has no offical support for Fanatec products and they have to emulate Logitech products?
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newbielives
I feel the total opposite i wished forza 4 felt as glod as gt5
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Me too. If forza had same the "industry norm" FFB protocol and 100% linear steering, that would be the only game I needed. Now F4 feels to me that FFB engine is just taking pre-recorded effects from some library and not the actual forces from the tires.
 
I do not know if I prefer FM4 FFB (with an Elite and FM742) or GT5. I play both game, sure it is different, but I have the feeling that FM4 FBB is more detailed and "rich". Maybe because of combination of FFB and vibrations.

But I love both.
 
I have car elite and just hate the ffb in forza 4! Lfs and gt5 both work great! The problem with f4 is that while turning at high speeds, and the ffb/ g-forcs is trying to straighten the wheel, the wheel goes suddenly light and then the ffb kicks again :/ ! So i get sudden kicks of ffb abd sudden ffb loss.. Am I doing anything wrong?
 
Stephanos82
I have car elite and just hate the ffb in forza 4! Lfs and gt5 both work great! The problem with f4 is that while turning at high speeds, and the ffb/ g-forcs is trying to straighten the wheel, the wheel goes suddenly light and then the ffb kicks again :/ ! So i get sudden kicks of ffb abd sudden ffb loss.. Am I doing anything wrong?
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I found the FFB in Forza 4 to be pretty decent, until...

There was a Dashboard update a few months ago that caused the issue you're describing with all FFB wheels on the Xbox 360. Massive threads were started on the Forza and Xbox Live forums about this. Microsoft released a small patch for the Dashboard that didn't completely solve the FFB bug. Some members of the Forza community have been participating in a closed beta test of new Dashboard software to resolve the issue. I don't know if the bug was fixed in the most recent Dashboard update from last week, but make sure your Xbox 360 is up to date. I took a Forza 4 break while this issue was being addressed and haven't had a chance to test the latest Dashboard yet.
 
There was a bug in the FFB for FM4 for a ealier, but this has been resolved for me already a while ago.
Two things I can recommend, 1st check that your firmware of the wheel is updated (there was a big improvement firmware sides 721b onwards) and 2nd if you are not running 900 degrees steering try it out, imo the centering force becomes much more detailed and realistic.
 
Dashboard issue seems to be resolved, at least for me.

I just got my replacement CSR-E yesterday (3rd times the charm, I hope - wheel was not staying centered on PC or 360) and it worked very well. Was going through withdrawals not being able to play FM4.
 
amar212
I can't comment on the firmware since I am using 721 ATM, but here are CSRE settings that I successfully use on all PS3 games - especially on GT5 - and I will also explain some details for each one:

SEN OFF | FF 80 | SHO 70 | DRI 001 | ABS 50 | LIN 0 | DEA 0 | SPR 0 | DPR 0 |
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I have to say Amar212, this setup, and your explaination of the differences was a game changer for me. I have owned the CSRE for about 6 mos now and have been overpowering this hardware. 100 this and 100 that with controller sensitivity in the game set to 5 and 7. It is completely remarkable.

I have been trying forever to drive with all the aids off, and could never figure out how to do it. With your help, I am now finally able to "feel" the car and when it is about to hit its limits, as opposed to using aids to mask them and allow me to try an overpower the course-not drive the car correctly.

I see my lap times coming down already!!! Thanks a lot!
-Marc
 

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