CVT Fuel Efficiency.

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Are modern CVT transmissions more fuel efficient than manual trannies? Couldn't find anything on the boards with the search feature.
 
According to Edmunds.com, it is a yes and no. Just for example, we shal compare the Nissan Maxima 3.5 SE with both the CVT (2007) and manual (2006).

The 2007:
21/28 MPG

The 2006:
20/29

I think the majority of the advantage for CVT is used up in the city, where it can it at it's most efficent RPMs for power and fuel efficency and propell the car forward at a variable gear ratio for any length of time. Manual transmissions however require less power to operate, and often times work out to better fuel efficency by days end.

Personally, I'd rather have a "real" transmission in my car in the majority of circumstances. CVTs are good with I4s, and thats about it, IMO.
 
CVT's are generally better in the city. I like them and don't like them at the same time. I like the fact that it's a smoothe ride with no shifting jerks and jolts. It holds the RPMs during hard acceleration until the car reaches the speed you want. The only downside to it in comparison to a regular automatic is the downshift jerk/jolt under WOT. I enjoy that feeling in powerful cars as much as I enjoy driving a manual transmission. So I'm probably split 50/50 on this CVT. If I had an automatic I'd want a CVT, the only exception is if it was a V8 RWD coupe. Anything AWD or FWD to me fits with CVTs.

Oh and, if you want/like a car with a manual transmission then you obviosuly do not want/like any automatic--regardless if it's a CVT or not. It irks me that the people that are anti-automatic chime in with the CVT hate speech without having an open mind and or appreciating or even understanding the technology. If you don't like automatics DO NOT COMMENT ON THE CVT, YOUR COMMENT IS WORTHLESS TO ME.

A little story. While on a dealer trade I had a heated arguement with some redneck jerk who not only knew NOTHING about CVT but insisted his opinion was the gospel about normal 4spd automatics (he also didn't like me explaining when referring to 5spd/6spd auto boxes that more gears=better). 4spd automatics are last century. And, if you don't even know HOW the CVT works how can you form an educated opinion? I told him that he didn't know what the hell he was talking about and proceeded to draw a diagram on how the CVT works and gave him the pros and cons...of course him being a closeminded redneck he understood (or chose to understand) nothing of how the CVT works. So I walked away before calling him a "stupid redneck dip****". :grumpy:
 
I know how CVT works and everything... The only thing I don't know is how fuel efficient it is or how power-efficient it is compared to manual transmissions. Basically, can it conserve fuel better than you can? It's kind of a conditional question, I guess.

Have you guys seen the Nissan Maxima commercial with the guy's wife with the lipstick? Is it me, or is the commercial somewhat misleading? The engine is actually revving higher and higher, which must mean the guy was in his final gear already, which must mean that he was going over 100 or something.
 
Omnis, the answer to your question is yes - the CVT was designed to improve automatics' fuel economy through its infinite gear ratios. It works to an extremely marginal level - like, it might increase mileage by 10% - but it's no worse or better than the displacement on demand features that Chrysler, Honda, and others are now offering, which also see only marginal gains.

The CVT was first used in the private auto sector in 1990 when the Subaru Justy used it. That vehicle was cancelled in 1994, but Honda brought the idea back to life a few years later in its high-mileage Civic models and since then several brands have used it, most notably Nissan and Audi (both of which use Tiptronic CVTs, if you can believe it). Recently, Ford has also joined in, offering a CVT on some of its newest **** products.
 
The CVT car I drove, a 2004 Saturn Ion Quad Coupe, was allright with it. It would take some getting used to, ad the car pretty much moves forward with the engine holding one note untill you reach the speed you want.

...The only major redeeming qualities that I can think of about the transmission is A) in the city it would be nice to not have to wait for the car to pick a gear on and off again, and B) nearly instant acceleration when looking to pass someone.

From what I understand, many CVT units do not operate well in cold temperatures. Nissan was worried about their CVT Muranos when they first came around Michigan, as testing had shown that the transmission would effectively slip if temperatures were regularly below 25F, and could cause some damage.

Newer CVTs are supposed to be much more effective in colder temperatures, and apparently are a good way of "improving fuel mileage" according to DCX and Ford. I'm happy to report GM has pretty much stayed away, and instead chose to develop new 6-speed automatics, a far better choise, IMO.
 
The CVT in the Honda Jazz/Fit can be used as a normal CVT and also with 7 pre-defined gear points that can be selected by paddles behind the wheel.

Fuel economy figs for the Jazz are

Code:
Fuel Economy 		(manual/CVT-7)†

Urban (mpg) 		38.7/39.2 
Extra urban (mpg) 	55.4/55.4 
Combined (mpg) 		48.7/47.9
So there's not that much of a difference.

And for the rest of the world, the first car with a CVT transmission was a Daf in 1958, who later sold it to Volvo for use in the 340.
 
I wonder how these trannys are going to hold up. I only say this because John Deere ( I know not a car company) brought out something similar a few years back called IVT and it was a big burley flop. It wasn't reliable, the computer had a hard time finding the right gear for pulling and I think most farmers in general hated it. I know my uncle did. It was the shortest amount of time he ever owned a tractor. About 3 months.
 
Omnis
I know how CVT works and everything...

I'm not yelling at you, I'm yelling at the potential CVT basher that will eventually come in here. 👍

M5Power
Recently, Ford has also joined in, offering a CVT on some of its newest **** products.

If the "****" was supposed to be "****" then you really need a labotomy. That's all I have to say. :grumpy:
 
JCE3000GT
If the "****" was supposed to be "****" then you really need a labotomy. That's all I have to say. :grumpy:

Name the Ford product with the CVT that you think is not **** and I will do a completely unbiased comparison wherein I find that at least three competitors make better products.

I'm sorry, but the Five Hundred and Freestyle are underpowered, overpriced, outdated pieces of ****. Yes - S-H-I-T.
 
CVT will save you gas in the city like everybody else said. But I don't really see the merit in choosing a CVT over a regular automatic, especially if you consider performance and cost.
 
JCE3000GT
Thought it did. Oh well, it should have it anyway.
Actually I kind of like the six-speed. To be honest, Ford deserves a lot of credit for their transmission development (both with the CVT and with the 6-speed) - I think the Fusion was the first midsize sedan with a six-speed automatic, and that's a big step forward that they'll be thankful for in the long run. Now if they could only secure a good V6.
 
JCE3000GT
If the "****" was supposed to be "****" then you really need a labotomy. That's all I have to say. :grumpy:

M5Power
I'm sorry, but the Five Hundred and Freestyle are underpowered, overpriced, outdated pieces of ****. Yes - S-H-I-T.

Gents, there is a reason why the swear filter removes that word, and I'm quite sure you both know why.

I'm also quite sure that both of you have a wide enough vocabulary to find a suitable alternative.

Thank you

Scaff
 
CVT/Auto/Manual, I don't really mind. Personally, I would prefer a Manual, but after driving an Auto for a while now, I have grown to quitre like it (Although I STILL reach for the clutch, even after nearly 2 years). The only complaint I have with the Auto, is that it doesn't stay in O/D when I want it to. (My car+80km/h+1700RPM+under load=one hell of an exhaust note!)
 
DSG certainly is the best option right now when it comes to transmissions. VW did a great thing making it, and if the rumors are correct, they are going to be replacing the automatics with DSG transmissions in the near future.
 
CVT has no exhaust note music. If one just bash to 6000 rpm, it'll stay there. Obviously it is not as pleasant as either Auto or Manual. It will stay away from teenagers who want to modify their catbacks. Consquently. they might stay away from that particular model. It's both a positive and negative consquence. Negative being people will just buy an Evo instead of a Maxima.

Scaff
Gents, there is a reason why the swear filter removes that word, and I'm quite sure you both know why.

I'm also quite sure that both of you have a wide enough vocabulary to find a suitable alternative.

Oh I'm positive that M5 was just taunting the president.
 
DSG is a great choice, but it won't convince everybody to turn to it. I know for sure that I will be driving stick, not DSG, when I have a choice.
 
Personally, I prefer a manual, but after driving Honda's CVT, I'm convinced it's the way to go. IF YOU ACTUALLY NEED AN AT.

The CVT's efficiency versus a traditional automatic is immensely greater. The mere deletion of the torque converter makes it as light as a manual transmission.

It's smooth, quick to accelerate (given that the car I was using it on was a 1.3) and, quite frankly, boring. But hey, it's great for saving gas. You'd have to drive very very well to beat a CVT's consumption in traffic. Of course, Honda's CVT sucks at putting power down. While it keeps 0-60 times in the same range as the manual (actually, just as fast or faster, depending on who's driving the stick), flogging it produces a nice, aromatic "burnt clutch" fragrance.

But most traditional ATs, even the newer 5ATs, don't do their engines any justice at all, blunting acceleration at the low end, which, thanks to traffic, is where most of us spend our time, anyway.

I kind of like VAG's DSG, because it manages to maintain the weight advantage and performance of a manual and by design, manages to package gears better (a problem with tightly packed boxes... which causes some compacts to have fragile gears), but the CVT is probably the simplest solution for future ATs.

And the only additional wear item is the belt itself... which probably won't cost much more than a clutch to replace.
 
Scaff
I'm also quite sure that both of you have a wide enough vocabulary to find a suitable alternative.

Okay yes. Crap, trash, garbage, refuse, piss, rubbish, B9 Tribeca, litter, junk, ass, poo.

DSG is a great choice, but it won't convince everybody to turn to it. I know for sure that I will be driving stick, not DSG, when I have a choice.

Perhaps - though do note that DSG is indeed quicker than manual, or so says Audi.
 
neanderthal
didnt you mean aztek where you said B9 tribeca there? or is the implication that they are synonymous?

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Nothing is uglier than me. Azteks are like Miuras compared to me. I am the Enzo of midsize SUVs. DO NOT MAKE ME EAT YOU
 

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