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Norrin Radd
No didn't think it was on purpose and it was at Degner where I know you don't have to brake, but I can't convince myself that it's right so that explains that one. You can usually tell when someone is dirty or if it's just a mistake/they just aren't good enough for the split. Unfortunately not being good enough for those around you can be a huge problem, I know I come across it a lot and I try my best not to muck up better drivers games, but I sometimes fail. These SF cars make these issues greater as well, because a slight mistake makes such a huge difference to speed. I probably shouldn't be racing them, but then how would I get better? Thing is I see B drivers and even the odd A that can't cope with these as well. This is why I start from the back and just try my best to keep it clen, if I get a good result fine, but keeping it clean is really my goal.
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Yeah, everything happens so fast in the SF cars that there is no time to react if something unexpected happens.

Into Degner 1 you can usually take the apex with your left tyres with no more than a little lift. Practice it in the qualifying runs. It will take a good chunk off your time.

In that race incident it’s my responsibility not to run up your rear or push you off. You have track position and are following the racing line. I just get messy sometimes when the car in front takes off way more speed than I expect. I find I tap the back of a few at the hairpin and into Spoon as well.

You don’t seem out of your depth at all to me in those splits. You don’t seem to bin it as often as most and that’s half the battle in this combo. And just because someone’s “quicker” doesn’t mean they’re a better racer. They’re not entitled to your spot, they have to find a way to earn it.

Edit: I just watched those incidents again. The Degner one was a case of me being too close when you braked. I tried to go across the grass to avoid you but caught you at Degner 2. Sorry.

Oh, and the first lap from your perspective was mayhem. I’m surprised you survived the race. One idiot in particular was very “subpar” in his treatment.
 
BenRod
The Raptor is listed as N400 at 411hp.

Detunable below 350?... Doubt it.
Would be a hoot though...
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Definitely not the raptor, i bet on Yaris
 
D_Dragline
Into Degner 1 you can usually take the apex with your left tyres with no more than a little lift. Practice it in the qualifying runs. It will take a good chunk off your time.
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Been trying this and it seems about 0.5 sec faster, but I need to get Degner 2 fixed now as approaching at greater speed means it's easier to muck up. This is why people who run slower than me catch me up here, I knew I was losing time but didn't think it was this much, probably a full second if I can hook it up.
 
Norrin Radd
Been trying this and it seems about 0.5 sec faster, but I need to get Degner 2 fixed now as approaching at greater speed means it's easier to muck up. This is why people who run slower than me catch me up here, I knew I was losing time but didn't think it was this much, probably a full second if I can hook it up.
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As soon as you square up off degner 1 you pretty much can start braking hard, you gotta turn in pretty early for degner 2 right after that initial burst of braking and trail the rest of the way to the apex. It's a process mastering those corners and the big problem for me is that in the race degner 1 is a lot tougher and I usually just lift off power for a moment as I turn in. If you get degner 1 right then like you said you'll be approaching degner 2 faster than your used to now. Like I said before brake hard as soon as your squared up, get the car turning in after that initial hit of braking and make sure you get the apex and early throttle. It's amazing how easy and natural it feels in these cars when you do it right but overshoot your braking a bit and you can't carry that apex speed or get on throttle for the next section.

GOTMAXPOWER
This was spicy! :O

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Only you would want a mobile chicane to navigate on the fastest corner of the track, clench factor 10/10!
 
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NSP525
Fended off a Brazilian on the first lap and then broke the slipstream to @Groundfish thankfully or he may have been able to keep up with the beetle.
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I doubt I’d catch ya on that track. You ran 32.3 FL that race to my 33 flat. Very nicely done! You seemed dialed in there :).

sturk0167
I looked through the N300 car list, and I think I'd like to see the '71 Mustang Mach 1 vs. the '69 Corvette Stingray. :)
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It’s huge chance it’s Yaris, AWD.
Your choice would be far too cool for them to even consider.
If I were them I’d make it open to anything in game set go n300, that’d be awesome
 
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I was called dirty in a race B a little while ago but I didn't think I was.
I made a video, on the two occasions I show Both perspective.
I think he first ran himself off then on the second occasion he gained overlap on the curb and I stayed on my line so he ran out of curb..
That was maybe not ok, but in the Lambo no TCS and he turns into me, I have to turn back or get TIP manouvered.
What do you think,?
 
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RacingGrandpa
I was called dirty in a race B a little while ago but I didn't think I was.
I made a video, on the two occasions I show Both perspective.
I think he first ran himself off then on the second occasion he gained overlap on the curb and I stayed on my line so he ran out of curb..
That was maybe not ok, but in the Lambo no TCS and he turns into me, I have to turn back or get TIP manouvered.
What do you think,?
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In my opinion when he ran to the end of the curbstones he should have backed off a little to fall in line behind you and not play "bumper cars" down the straight. The rub with the wall was caused by the bumper car effect you were both doing down the straight (they lost).

Again in my opinion the first incident was on them, the second would be a shared incident (normal racing with no fault to either of you).
 
RacingGrandpa
I was called dirty in a race B a little while ago but I didn't think I was.
I made a video, on the two occasions I show Both perspective.
I think he first ran himself off then on the second occasion he gained overlap on the curb and I stayed on my line so he ran out of curb..
That was maybe not ok, but in the Lambo no TCS and he turns into me, I have to turn back or get TIP manouvered.
What do you think,?
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Yeah 1st incident, zero idea what he is on about. Second one 70/30, its a dumb move, everyone knows thats a key corner and super tough to hold inside line but he also moves too late, to make that work he needs to commit to the outside line much earlier.

On another note, you are losing 1 second a lap, 6 tenths because the car is so loose and 4 tenths because you gove th ekerbs too much margin, you can use way more track, maybe the two are related as the car is so twitchy.
 
NevilleNobody
Yeah 1st incident, zero idea what he is on about. Second one 70/30, its a dumb move, everyone knows thats a key corner and super tough to hold inside line but he also moves too late, to make that work he needs to commit to the outside line much earlier.

On another note, you are losing 1 second a lap, 6 tenths because the car is so loose and 4 tenths because you gove th ekerbs too much margin, you can use way more track, maybe the two are related as the car is so twitchy.
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Running the Lambo on the curbs is not a good idea, for me. It's not a good friend of curbs. I run the GT too, that's more stable. But equal speed for me..
 
Leggacy
I see that quite a bit, cars rejoining in an effort to take out other cars. Also cars finishing their penalty and then trying to disadvantage others as they unghost, the move of morons!
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It's hard to predict the ghosting system which doesn't help, sometimes they can rejoin at those angles/speed and be ghosted. Other times they stay solid. The third option of looking like a ghost but actually being solid is least fun.
 
RacingGrandpa
I was called dirty in a race B a little while ago but I didn't think I was.
I made a video, on the two occasions I show Both perspective.
I think he first ran himself off then on the second occasion he gained overlap on the curb and I stayed on my line so he ran out of curb..
That was maybe not ok, but in the Lambo no TCS and he turns into me, I have to turn back or get TIP manouvered.
What do you think,?
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First incident was nothing, he's barmy if he sees anything in that.
Second one I can see where he is coming from. He might expect some room but it's one of those corners where the exit space from multiple lines is shared. You have to get your Stannah Ferry around there somehow and as he's behind it's up to him to decide where he wants to go, a run up the inside at the chicane or the wall. He chose the wall.
In either case you weren't dirty.
 
I know I am supposed to make room if the overtaker has overlap coming into the brake zone. In the brake zone he was a car length behind me at least. This is the acceleration zone coming out and he chooses to stuff it up the inside on a spot where he will run out of curb to drive on. I will admit I wasn't expecting that all so he caught me off guard. I probably would have given him space had I anticipated his move, because if I did I would still be on the inside coming into the chicane.
Problem with that is that the MR car has to take a different line through the chicane and there's a big risk he will just muscle me off there....
 
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Yeah for me it's just a poor move, its a super fast corner. Its not like you both ENTERED the corner side by side, then you leave room. You were both going all in and he swooped from inside to outside and you had already committed to that space. His own fault and I call a spade a spade on this board.
 
I think the key to race C is to be patient and don’t make any silly moves. I’ve just started a new profile last week (Dr_Orpheus74, currently B/S 28,000ish) I've done a few race C’s this week and at this level there’s very few drivers I can actually trust to go side by side with. I’ve just let people past rather than defending, I got back past quite a few as they kept making mistakes of ham fisted passing manoeuvres that gave them penalties.
 
Leggacy
I think the key to race C is to be patient and don’t make any silly moves. I’ve just started a new profile last week (Dr_Orpheus74, currently B/S 28,000ish) I've done a few race C’s this week and at this level there’s very few drivers I can actually trust to go side by side with. I’ve just let people past rather than defending, I got back past quite a few as they kept making mistakes of ham fisted passing manoeuvres that gave them penalties.
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Pretty much what I've been doing too. Actually trying to race is just asking for pens and no one seems to be consistent at this. Drive fastish and keep it on the track is nearly guaranteed a good result.
 
Norrin Radd
Been trying this and it seems about 0.5 sec faster, but I need to get Degner 2 fixed now as approaching at greater speed means it's easier to muck up. This is why people who run slower than me catch me up here, I knew I was losing time but didn't think it was this much, probably a full second if I can hook it up.
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I always use 6th gear in QT for Degner 1 and I always cut the corner. I have been experimenting with 5th gear in race trim. 6th gear has two problems:
  • definitely run wide and off when in the slipstream,
  • can't find a good stopping point for Degner 2 and am getting bogged down there.

5th gear is a bit slower (and you may hit the revlimiter) yet provides much greater control and I can reliably hit Degner 2 at speed in solid 3rd gear and be on the throttle at the Apex. It provides safety at a modest to negligible time cost. I have not verified the timeby examining post lap videos.
 
Little_Guppy
I always use 6th gear in QT for Degner 1 and I always cut the corner. I have been experimenting with 5th gear in race trim. 6th gear has two problems:
  • definitely run wide and off when in the slipstream,
  • can't find a good stopping point for Degner 2 and am getting bogged down there.

5th gear is a bit slower (and you may hit the revlimiter) yet provides much greater control and I can reliably hit Degner 2 at speed in solid 3rd gear and be on the throttle at the Apex. It provides safety at a modest to negligible time cost. I have not verified the timeby examining post lap videos.
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This makes sense, doing 6th I get 1 great in maybe 10 (say once per race), several where I lose more at 2 than I gain at 1 and the odd total 🤬. Think I might try your way, better than braking but more control for 2. Got to be faster than braking and if I can do it consistently then it's all good.
It's like TCS v no TCS, no is faster, but with is safer. It's getting the balance between best possible speed once and best consistent speed.
 
Race C, not too bad, made a few mistakes but got 6th in the bag....well unless some 🤬 boosts all the way into the chicane and manages to punt me from over 1 sec behind (I'd have ghosted) then I get 9th. He got 1 sec for it:eek: I'm getting 3 or 4 because I hit a guy so light I'm not sure contacts been made.
 
RacingGrandpa
I was called dirty in a race B a little while ago but I didn't think I was.
I made a video, on the two occasions I show Both perspective.
I think he first ran himself off then on the second occasion he gained overlap on the curb and I stayed on my line so he ran out of curb..
That was maybe not ok, but in the Lambo no TCS and he turns into me, I have to turn back or get TIP manouvered.
What do you think,?
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I guess I focused on 2 points of contact in the video, one different from what others may be commenting on. The first possible incident I saw was the last corner of lap 3. Anything before that looked like no contact, no reason for anyone to be angry or call someone dirty. Back to the lap 3 contact, it looks like the rear of your car got a tad loose & he tried to stuff his car in the inside. It didn't work & it appears to me like he had just enough reach to try to PIT you at the last possible moment. The second incident looks clear to me. He closed in on the final lap at the long left hander. I call that the difference in how you have to drive the cars with different drivetrains. He might have gotten some momentum & tried the outside since he couldn't get the car to turn to your inside. He appeared to tap you in an effort to get all 4 tires on the pavement. You having to countersteer to prevent spinning was necessary & he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. He only called you dirty because you had as much talent as him (maybe more). :lol:
 
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