"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[NekoPufferPPP]

It’s official race c is very rammy just did the 5:30 race and it was dive after dive block at all costs I let 2 people go by before turn 2 because I knew what was coming dropping me back to 4th then the two I let buy crashed themselves out. Diving and blocking ended up 2nd in a pretty strong lobby.

Well, Red Bull Ring tends to be like that it seems... Very divebomb-y. If anyone watched the VirtualGP race in F1 2020 last month, you'll know exactly what I mean.

Do u guys ever have a time when you kind of hit the ceiling of your performance? 3 races at the dragon Trail and I cant get higher than 11th in any them. It sucks cause now I’m in a whole new league of drivers and I cant even compete anymore, just a rolling chicane

You can always improve. Where's the spirit? Never give up!



I just watch the top time's lap, put the ghost on the track and try to copy them. Easy way to improve by a good margin.

I entered a couple of B races in the R8, ended up fighting for top spots with A+ drivers, even overtook a few. Coming close to being A+ rated myself.

It feels good to perform well on my "home ground" even if it's fictional. All the lap time is in that darn chicane...just gotta go directly over the red sausages with the middle of your car...it's like threading a needle. Frustrating, but satisfying to hit, and brutally punishing if you miss...

 

[Little_Guppy]

Do u guys ever have a time when you kind of hit the ceiling of your performance? 3 races at the dragon Trail and I cant get higher than 11th in any them. It sucks cause now I’m in a whole new league of drivers and I cant even compete anymore, just a rolling chicane

Yep.

 

[Groundfish]

Do u guys ever have a time when you kind of hit the ceiling of your performance? 3 races at the dragon Trail and I cant get higher than 11th in any them. It sucks cause now I’m in a whole new league of drivers and I cant even compete anymore, just a rolling chicane

I remember before when my goal was to get inside 4 seconds from the number ten on the list. I remember it taking me hours.
This week it’s inside a second...
Persistence.

 

[Little_Guppy]

Do u guys ever have a time when you kind of hit the ceiling of your performance? 3 races at the dragon Trail and I cant get higher than 11th in any them. It sucks cause now I’m in a whole new league of drivers and I cant even compete anymore, just a rolling chicane

Errr.., did you want more than just "Yep"?

I feel your pain. It is demoralizing when you rank up after a good week and for the next week hit a new circuit where you are not so good.... your week wasn't going be good anyway and then you just get pummeled down to the lower split by a faster group of racers... and the little thoughts fire in your head... "It sucks... rolling chicane"..., "back where you belong...", "you never deserved to be there anyway...", then rinse and repeat.

It is the game and the game is not easy. There are a thousand others trying to do the same. You are effectively competing against them.

The most important thing is that you understand the phenomenon. You did not get worse but you are now in a harder group. Just the opposite is happening as you are getting better. And you will get better by being beaten by better players until you become that better player.

Do you ever start the beginning of the week and look at the QT times and say to yourself... "There is no way I can do that!" and then after some trial and error you figure it out? The same thing is happening now as you get bounced between the high and lower split. You will get sent back to a lower split, win some more, restore confidence and then you will be a bit better the next time you return the top split. And it will happen soon. And then you will stay in the top split.

Set a goal(s) for yourself that is above your ability but is achievable.

Mine are:

• get in the top split,
• run in the upper half of each race,
• run in packs and not wreck,
• set a QT within 2% of the top (excluding Igor Fraga's time - even the Aliens look at him oddly),
• race cleanly and maintain a good SR,
• do it for Group 4/3/2/1/X .

Getting a top split win or increasing DR rank are *NOT* explicit goals. If I hit most of my goals then a win may fall into my lap and the DR rank will take care of itself.

And finally, keep it fun!

 

[RacingGrandpa]

And that looks to be the end of my racing here for a while. Wife is due to give birth tomorrow (definitely tomorrow, we're two weeks overdue!) so it's been great times guys, but its time for a hiatus from this guy.

Congratulations! That will be the best race of your life.

Edit: forgot to share this. Lamborghini is good in B

 

[Scuba1958]

I've run four race A's this evening and I have some initial thoughts on the pen system. So far so good. There have been a half dozen times when there has been a little incidental contact. No one went off the track, no one had to significantly alter their line, just a wee bit of rubbin' as two people fight for the same piece of pavement. Nobody got a pen or an SR down. No harm, no foul. I have not seen any particular increase in divebombs, but I guess time will tell.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Only in this race. This might mean less mandatory tire compounds in the future of race C, so you can choose a hard tire and no stop or a medium and one or even a soft and two.
Also this can be great for FIA

Well we have to see what it's like on every track, because do we know they are all longer? But taking this one we went from 1 or 2 stops being fairly close to no where near, it was about 8 sec drop and that went up to 20. This is going to put a premium on stopping less in virtually every case and personally I think that's a bad thing. The pit loss was too low, but 8 to 20 was too much of a change, about 12 would have made it interesting. Now I don't think all tracks will be the same and some did need changing, just think they added too much here.

 

[NoStopN]

Noticed that. Usually takes 2 or so laps on the hard tyres, before they seem to warm up. But once they are, they aren't too bad.

I noticed the same last month when they had Gr. 2 on Seaside. It suited me well as people who started on the RMs would run away at the start & the gap even out a few laps in. Then it became pit stop time. They would switch to the RHs & wouldn’t have that pace anymore. Then you could chew them up & spit them out on your mediums.

It all depended on your DR before. Bump a higher rated driver, no problem, bump a lower rated driver, big penalty.

Tip: assume everyone in the room has a lower DR than you. 👍

This week, to me, even as an absolute muncher of tyres, there's no way 2 stops works. You need to make up at least 10 seconds in 6 laps (7 to 8 seconds for the stop and 2 to 3 seconds to make it worth the risk) so i don't see how it works unless you're a gun on the mediums.

Mmmm, it’s possible.

Do u guys ever have a time when you kind of hit the ceiling of your performance? 3 races at the dragon Trail and I cant get higher than 11th in any them. It sucks cause now I’m in a whole new league of drivers and I cant even compete anymore, just a rolling chicane

Sounds like it’s time for more practice. One of the best things I ever started doing was trying to improve my qualifying time. It allowed me to learn the track line, limits, & different cars to see which felt the most comfortable & fastest. It’s a good habit to pick up. Just go into the daily race tab & choose that second bubble so you can set a time without being interrupted by a pesky race.

 

[NevilleNobody]

A predictably dumb effort by pd, first race and all were blue end of race. Everyone gonna be srs in no time.

 

[05XR8]

The cream will still rise to the top.

 

[Scuba1958]

A predictably dumb effort by pd, first race and all were blue end of race. Everyone gonna be srs in no time.

convince it's a dumb

I'm not sure it's a dumb move. Dirty drivers were already gaming the system and screwing over drivers who were trying to race clean. You might not get divebombed any less, but at least you might not get a stupid penalty that trashes your whole race. The dirty drivers knew they could intimidate another driver who was bending over backwards to avoid an un-warranted penalty. At least you can now defend yourself.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Nah its gonna be chaos , can get away with anything

 

[D_Dragline]

My adventures in Race C since the update have been pretty good. There’s a bit more willingness to engage in combat, but I haven’t noticed the racing has been any dirtier. The real test will come when there’s been time for the dirty guys to have reached SR S. If they are now able to drive dirty and gain SR things will be ugly by the end of the week. However, if dirty driving still loses SR, it might be ok.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I saw zero red safety ratings after 3 races.....zero.

 

[Rexracer702]

You raced me at a bad time, that was the best race I've driven all week . IIRC there were 4 laps in a row at 1:22.2, the tyres are surprisingly consistent if you try to look after the fronts. I don't like the mediums at the start, the hards seem to have a better balance so once they warm up the pace difference isn't too bad.

That was a good race for me too. Made some errors on the hards...slid into T2 twice, killing my drive, but overall pretty good. The one race i did tonight, though...not so good. Started on mediums, P2 grid, I swear it felt like I was on hards, and the hards felt worn out when new. Best lap was a high 23, and I finished 5th. Oh well, at least I'm back to 99, and DR is up to 25k. I may be able to get back to A with enough racing this week. We'll see!

 

[Little_Guppy]

convince it's a dumb

I'm not sure it's a dumb move. Dirty drivers were already gaming the system and screwing over drivers who were trying to race clean. You might not get divebombed any less, but at least you might not get a stupid penalty that trashes your whole race. The dirty drivers knew they could intimidate another driver who was bending over backwards to avoid an un-warranted penalty. At least you can now defend yourself.

Nah its gonna be chaos , can get away with anything

I sooo want Scuba1958 to be right. I am putting my money on the chaos theory, though.

It will take a few days or a week to see how this works itself out.

Oh to be a fly-on-the wall at PD. I imagine they have disinvested in GTS in favor or GT7. As such, they are de-risking the changes. For example, they are not touching the underlying penalty system but they may have single reliable clumsy lever like penalty sensitivity or disabling classes of penalties. The ghosting/before/after/speedDifferential/fault heuristics are probably off limits.

I was hoping that they would simply desensitize SR movement. Award/subtract much less SR for each race. It would be harder to get reset and similarly be harder to restore SR. That seems to address the main pain point and avoid surprise resets. SR would reflect long term behavior vs short term *recovery* races or bad races.

Don't get me wrong, the pen-fest at Monza last week was ridiculous. Also, a 4 second pen for hitting a ghost returning to the track... oh how I hate that one. We all have our gripes about the unfair pens. Beyond that, the pen system was tolerable as it was somewhat predictable - don't touch the other guy!

Still love this game though.

 

[Def-Infinity]

The racing now is uh... interesting. People aren't as afraid to send it up the inside or get close. I'm going to stick by @Little_Guppy, and say that we'll have to see if it stays clean at the end of the week. For now, I'll have to be more aggressive with my defense, which I'm honestly not too happy about. I expect time loss due to battling to be at an all-time high.

On the other hand, the pit loss is a bit funky. It doesn't feel as intuitive to decide when to make a pit stop. The two-stop may not be as viable anymore, but you still have to time the one-stop properly. Good luck with that!

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

After a few more Race B's and getting to grips with the changes I have come to the conclusion that we are going to have to live with it now for sometime as PD are slow to change things, with that in mind then we need to take advantage of it in the cleanest possible way. No more giving room to the idiot that go for an overtake in an impossible place on the track!

Why? We no longer get a penalty for defending out position which wasn't the case last week. I became ultra clean long ago to the point where it cost me races where I should have won, in some way's I found not being defensive got me more penalties if anything so I did get more aggressive in not been pushed around and I did still get penalties. Like lots of people here I learned how to avoid them to some extent but it did affect the racing.

I am not going to become a dirty driver but I'm glad that I don't have to keep thinking about every car around me on the track and how to avoid a penalty when they want to be an idiot. Lets see how it works out and use it to our benefit.

On the pit stops, I love race strategies that involve Tyres & Fuel and have benefited from clever fuel saving in a few FIA races running the Alfa C4 which is good on both if you drive it clean. In the longer races there has to be this element otherwise we only have sprint races. I would like to see an additional daily race in GT7 that only runs once an Hour, I created a few lobbies with longer races which include all the elements and they do fill up and are fun but because there is no penalty for quitting they seldom stay full but there has been a few where most stayed thill the end.

 

[JoeDaSnow]

I have now won Daily Race B four additional times with three on Tuesday and an additional one respectively. The cars I had used for these races were the Honda NSX Gr. 3, Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car, Hyundai Genesis Gr. 3 and Mazda RX-Vision GT3 Concept (video shown below). This marks the seventh consecutive day of having at least one daily race win.

 

[TonyTufast]

I really like group 2 and I really like RBR. Hopefully this week is where I really consolidate my position in B and start to more forward.


I love love love diving people at T1 L1, if the car infront touches the rumble strip on the left before the corner then you go, put your car on that apex and let them know its your position now.

Had some good fun this week!

 

[Pigems]

I really like group 2 and I really like RBR. Hopefully this week is where I really consolidate my position in B and start to more forward.


I love love love diving people at T1 L1, if the car infront touches the rumble strip on the left before the corner then you go, put your car on that apex and let them know its your position now, I’d punt you at T2 for diving up my inside and ruining my run out of the corner.

Had some good fun this week!

That is the proper line, touching the curb on the left. That’s not an invite to “dive” in if you don’t already have overlap going into the braking zone. Maybe you should rethink your strategy there.

 

[Norrin Radd]

The cream will still rise to the top.

What's that other saying?? Something floats?


Weird glitch when trying to improve quali, car had no livery on so I changed views and it came back. Only a slight annoyance, but had it been at start of a race I'd be thinking I had the wrong car.

 

[crusselz]

Just a quick one. With the update. Noticed that after a disconnect, I didn't lose any SR/DR? or maybe it'll take some time to reflect the change.

That is the proper line, touching the curb on the left. That’s not an invite to “dive” in if you don’t already have overlap going into the braking zone. Maybe you should rethink your strategy there.

Was thinking the same. Maybe the explanation didn't do the overtake justice.

 

[05XR8]

What's that other saying?? Something floats?

That's in a cess p....*thinks*......... well, you've got a point there.

 

[TonyTufast]

That is the proper line, touching the curb on the left. That’s not an invite to “dive” in if you don’t already have overlap going into the braking zone. Maybe you should rethink your strategy there.

You're within 0.2/0.3 by the time you get to the corner, I appreciate its probably not "racing etiquette" to go for that move, but it's a low B lobby and if you're leaving it that open on the first lap then I'm taking the invite haha

 

[Pigems]

You're within 0.2/0.3 by the time you get to the corner, I appreciate its probably not "racing etiquette" to go for that move, but it's a low B lobby and if you're leaving it that open on the first lap then I'm taking the invite haha

That’s my point, they’re not leaving anything open, they’re taking the corner properly. If you don’t have overlap before braking, stay where you are, and don’t ruin someone else race. Have some damn respect.


Edit: Maybe you wouldn’t have to make posts like these of you drove a little more responsibly/respectfully, and didn’t “dive” on people.

I’d love to see your SR graph.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I really like group 2 and I really like RBR. Hopefully this week is where I really consolidate my position in B and start to more forward.


I love love love diving people at T1 L1, if the car infront touches the rumble strip on the left before the corner then you go, put your car on that apex and let them know its your position now.

Had some good fun this week!

Full on dirty dive. People doing that are what everyone else complains about.
Read up on corner rights and overlap please.

 

[TonyTufast]

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That’s my point, they’re not leaving anything open, they’re taking the corner properly. If you don’t have overlap before braking, stay where you are, and don’t ruin someone else race. Have some damn respect.


Edit: Maybe you wouldn’t have to make posts like these of you drove a little more responsibly/respectfully, and didn’t “dive” on people.

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I’d love to see your SR graph.

Its going a bit deep when you're running through people's accounts to get screenshots of previous posts (especially because I said I overtook someone on a racing game)

I haven't played a competitive online racing game before, I watch some GT racing (but only within the last 5 months or so of playing this game), I'm not gonna be as good or knowledgable as you lot.

My exposure to racing games is what I've seen on YouTube and what I've raced against. I've had moves like that pulled on me countless times and I've seen similar moves pulled, just because I'm not in line when the car infront breaks doesn't mean I can't break later, there's no contact, I've had no flashes or complaints about it post lobby.

My Kudos is available in my signature, I'm not hiding it. For you to dig through my posts but not see that is a bit of a joke.

I shared the account with my friend of a different skill set til about the "90" Mark.

 

[Pigems]

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Its going a bit deep when you're running through people's accounts to get screenshots of previous posts (especially because I said I overtook someone on a racing game)

I haven't played a competitive online racing game before, I watch some GT racing (but only within the last 5 months or so of playing this game), I'm not gonna be as good or knowledgable as you lot.

My exposure to racing games is what I've seen on YouTube and what I've raced against. I've had moves like that pulled on me countless times and I've seen similar moves pulled, just because I'm not in line when the car infront breaks doesn't mean I can't break later, there's no contact, I've had no flashes or complaints about it post lobby.

My Kudos is available in my signature, I'm not hiding it. For you to dig through my posts but not see that is a bit of a joke.

I shared the account with my friend of a different skill set til about the "90" Mark.

Don’t make excuses for your bad driving, I’ve never watched a race before other than one single nascar race and I can drive just fine, never played online racing before GTS either. Just because someone else makes a bad move on you, doesn’t mean it’s ok for you to do it. Treat other people the way you want them to treat you, not copy what they do.

You may not get complaints, but your SR graph says it all, drive cleaner!

 

[Norrin Radd]

OK so I slightly tap 3 guys because they brake too early and get 2 secs each time. So fine, but the only one who lost time in 2 cases was me and the 1 guy who did lose time didn't lose a position. Meanwhile I get driven off track deliberately twice and no pens given. Also several drivers mucking up going off track and no pens because they "didn't gain time" they didn't lose the 2-3 secs they should have lost but who cares. I just go over the line and get a pen, didn't gain anything.
Next race take a guy on first corner, contact made because he turned in on me. He divebombs from over a second back knocks me off the track and nothing.
So the kind of incident that could well be accidental and not effect anyone is still getting penalised, while dive bombing and running wide are fine, as long as you hit their side.
Totally removal or everything is a pen. This is just going to encourage bad driving. OH I braked late lets just slam into the side of that car and it'll be fine.

It seems a little better than before, but soon the dirty drivers will perfect the cheating and then the not so dirty will do it because they feel they lose out by playing fair and anarchy is just around the corner.